Artest for Odom?

[BlazersRizing]

the Queens aren't going to donate Artest to the Lakers. even for "The Goods" Lamar Odom.

Jerry West doesnt have hookups with the Kings like he did with the Grizzlies so i'm sorry L.A. no more donations. =)

p.s. how much help does Kobe need? damn. sad

[eatyourchildren]

the Queens aren't going to donate Artest to the Lakers. even for "The Goods" Lamar Odom.

Jerry West doesnt have hookups with the Kings like he did with the Grizzlies so i'm sorry L.A. no more donations. =)

p.s. how much help does Kobe need? damn. sad

There's nothing quite like guaranteeing yourself a victory. Ask all those championship teams that were stacked with multiple hall of famers

[realball]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair. Why not send Odom to a third team? I'd say a team like Memphis could use him. They need a PF, Odom fits their fast-break offense, and won't take away touches from Gay or Mayo. Send Odom for Walker and Lowry. Kings get a young defensive PG and save some money.

[rpa]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair. Why not send Odom to a third team? I'd say a team like Memphis could use him. They need a PF, Odom fits their fast-break offense, and won't take away touches from Gay or Mayo. Send Odom for Walker and Lowry. Kings get a young defensive PG and save some money.

Problem is the Kings signed Udrih to a 5-year deal. If Udrih had signed elsewhere and the Kings were in high need of a PG they may have considered the deal but I don't think they would now specifically because Lowry no longer fills a major need nor is he talented enough to be a good trade piece later on.

Also, the whole "salary relief" thing from the Kings perspective is overstated to a large degree. Most teams in the NBA (the Kings included) run on plans, not so much on a "keep costs low" business model (except for a few teams like the Grizz and the Clips). Most owners are willing to spend money (as long as they stay under the luxury tax). Thus, my point is that the Kings are going to look at what players/contracts are detrimental to their PLAN and not necessarily detrimental to their team salary. Thomas may be detrimental to team salary but he's NOT detrimental to the team's plan.

Bibby (though not mentioned but should be) is an example of the Kings stay away from the luxury tax (and staying on their plan). Petrie wanted to keep Beno longterm but he knew the Maloofs wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax to do so. Had he kept Bibby, Petrie would not have been able to offer Beno the full MLE w/o hitting the luxury tax and, thus, probably would have lost him to another team. So the Kings traded Bibby for mostly expiring contracts, lopping some $10mil off this coming season's team salary, which allowed the Kings to resign Udrih without going into tax territory.

[kobe#8]

doitmitch!!!

[dingodile]

Any deal centered around Odom and Artest just isn't going to work out for the Kings. There is no reason why we would need or want Odom. He doesn't fit in if we plan on rebuilding at all. He'll just take away time from our young guys. He's an expiring - so what- so is Artest. Even if we add Kenny Thomas, I still wouldn't take it. We are planning to make a free agent splash in the summer of 2010, not 2009. Kenny Thomas doesn't interfere at all with that plan, when we will have the big contracts of Kenny, Brad, and SAR expiring. Finally, for the Kings to trade Artest to the Lakers, the Lakers would seriously have to overpay. We don't want to basically hand over the championship to them, which giving them Artest would practically do. If the Lakers want Artest, you have to overpay as in Gasol or Bynum. Obviously the Lakers aren't willing to give up this much, so any Artest to Lakers deal will not work, especially if you want that deal centered around Odom/Artest.

I think you're right on the mark here. Sac knows they're not contenders next year and Lamar for Ron is basically a lateral move. The only incentive is getting rid of Thomas' contract, but it's only two more years (if it were 4 more, then that's a different story) and its expiration coincedes perfectly with that of Brad and SAR for the star-studded free agent class of 2010. Also, Artest could be a very good fit for the Lakers and they're not only a conference opponent, but a division rival.

Given all this, I just can't see Sac making this deal unless LA really overpays and, frankly, I don't know what else they could offer Sac since Bynum is off the table and any draft picks would be at the very end of the first.

[HarlemHeat37]

you also have to think about the possibility of Stern intervening..it is the Lakers..we saw what happened in 2002..

[Jordan23Forever]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair.

How is the value fair when you're giving up a 19/6/4 former DPOY plus another player for a 14/9/4 player who has underachieved his entire career and was just exposed in the Finals?

[Batu7]

I think the Lakers should do this trade. This helps both teams.

To Lakers: Ron Artest, Kevin Martin

To Kings: Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar

Where is the green font?

As some other poster said, Sacramento are probably waiting for 2010 to sign free agents, because that's the year Miller, Thomas and Shareef expires(12.25, 8.5, 6.6 million respectively), so it makes no sense for the Kings. And, why would the Kings want to help the Lakers?

[eatyourchildren]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair.

How is the value fair when you're giving up a 19/6/4 former DPOY plus another player for a 14/9/4 player who has underachieved his entire career and was just exposed in the Finals?

But according to you Odom is versatile.

[eatyourchildren]

you also have to think about the possibility of Stern intervening..it is the Lakers..we saw what happened in 2002..

You mean like when Stern handed suspensions to Amare and co.?

[Grahf]

I'm remembering the way Kobe was bitching constantly at his teammates during the finals. What's the over/under on Artest beating Kobe to a bloody pulp if Kobe started doing that to him? I don't think those two could peacefully coexist for a full season and playoffs.

[microfib4thewin]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair.

How is the value fair when you're giving up a 19/6/4 former DPOY plus another player for a 14/9/4 player who has underachieved his entire career and was just exposed in the Finals?

Odom sunk in the final, and Ron Artest sunk the entire franchise into irrelevance. Even if you don't want to talk about something way back, how Artest plays on the court right now isn't very encouraging for a rebuilding team. He averages close to 17 shots a game, and most of it are jumpers when they have no need for that. Additionally he has talked about retiring twice already, once for making rap label, the other time for family issues, this and other random comments he makes affects how the team operates. Both players have issues, but Odom being more of a consummate team player will allow the younger players to grow better than Artest can. As far as impact on the court goes, Odom is 3 times better than what Moore can do, so it fills a position of need, since Moore is already 34 and Odom is not a C you can't use the argument that it will take away time from Hawes or any other potential prospects, whereas Artest will free up time for Salmon and Garcia. Odom will not provide the same defense and doesn't have a 3 point shot, but he makes up for it by making more high percentage shot, does not demand the ball as much as Artest, provides rebounding, and is one of the best passing bigs in the league. His superb ball handling and his length allows him to initiate fast breaks better than anyone could, which fits well with a young team that has capable wings like the Kings.

If the Kings are looking at Artest as nothing but a guy who will expire with no regard to his present value, then they might as well trade for Odom so they get $14 mil off the book instead of $7.8 mil. If they are looking for the team to semi-contend with this trade, then they could either trade for Odom and use his 14 mil as trade bait for an impact player, or they could trade Artest for two young prospects and a draft pick because Artest's expiring 7.8 mil isn't going to attract a team to give up someone better than Artest, at the very most they can net a player whose value is close to Artest like a Josh Howard or a Josh Smith. They have 30 mil in expiring at 2010, so if that's what the Kings are gambling on then it really doesn't matter what happens to Artest and what the Kings get for him, because at most they would just have underpaid players who can give some fresh leg on the ancient PF-C duo in Miller and Moore.

People need to stop going 'zomg it's a bad trade because the Lakers will be champions'. For one, I don't buy that Artest will help us win a ring, and if he does he sure wouldn't stay long. Second, Odom is more than just an expiring contract unlike Kwame, his skills can actually benefit the Kings. There's many reasons why the Kings wouldn't do this trade, but making the team worse at its present time is not one of them.

[dockingsched]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair.

How is the value fair when you're giving up a 19/6/4 former DPOY plus another player for a 14/9/4 player who has underachieved his entire career and was just exposed in the Finals?

you make it sound like getting that other player is a GOOD thing.

[KF10]

Kenny Thomas will have value in 2 years. (Expiring) That is his only value. Unless, we play Thomas and comes back to his solid production form. Which I doubt due to our PF surplus.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

Makes no sense for the Kings unless draft picks or unloading Thomas' contract for some expiring are included

Talent wise it would be a decent trade but Artest on the Lakers pretty much locks them for the finals... Odom for the Kings ? Nothing really, Kings arent in the position to be competitive yet.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

I think the Lakers should do this trade. This helps both teams.

To Lakers: Ron Artest, Kevin Martin

To Kings: Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar

LOL...... oh , your were serious ?

[Ballings7]

That doesn't even make sense, wfiles

[B-Scott]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair.

How is the value fair when you're giving up a 19/6/4 former DPOY plus another player for a 14/9/4 player who has underachieved his entire career and was just exposed in the Finals?

2006/2007- Lamar averaged 16 and 10

2007/2008 - Was coming off the shoulder surgery to start the season and started off slow. 2nd half of the season he averaed 16 points, 12 rebounds and shot 55% from the field.

Don'tbe surprised if the Kings become a better team with Lamar then when they had Artest because they would in fact be a TEAM with a 6-10 guy who is a willing passer and team player. Lamar would also make them a much better rebounding team which was one of there weaknesses and allow them to get out and run. You can't fastbreak if you can't rebound.

I watched many Kings games and what i saw was a volume shooter who took bad shots in Artest and at times shot the Kings out of games.

Lamar makes the Kings a better passing team and rebounding team then they were with Artest who prefers to isolate and he shoots almost everytime he isolates. He rarely passes from the post.

[sackings916]

Artest/Thomas for Odom, the value is fair.

How is the value fair when you're giving up a 19/6/4 former DPOY plus another player for a 14/9/4 player who has underachieved his entire career and was just exposed in the Finals?

2006/2007- Lamar averaged 16 and 10

2007/2008 - Was coming off the shoulder surgery to start the season and started off slow. 2nd half of the season he averaed 16 points, 12 rebounds and shot 55% from the field.

Don'tbe surprised if the Kings become a better team with Lamar then when they had Artest because they would in fact be a TEAM with a 6-10 guy who is a willing passer and team player. Lamar would also make them a much better rebounding team which was one of there weaknesses and allow them to get out and run. You can't fastbreak if you can't rebound.

I watched many Kings games and what i saw was a volume shooter who took bad shots in Artest and at times shot the Kings out of games.

Lamar makes the Kings a better passing team and rebounding team then they were with Artest who prefers to isolate and he shoots almost everytime he isolates. He rarely passes from the post.

A volume shooter? Artest was the Kings 1st option, what exactly is a 1st option supposed to do? If Artest isn't taking those shots, outside of Martin the Kings really don't have any top talent to give the ball to(Miller,Salmons and Garcia can score some but they're not stars). And if you watched many Kings games you dont mention the games where Artest carried the team offensively and won many games down the stretch with his post presence and 3 point shooting.The stats and box scores tell a different story then you're trying to portray. Artest shot 45% from the floor and 38% from 3, both good percentages from your SF, especially when that SF is giving you over 20 points a game and lockdown defense.

And the Kings become worse with Odom and without Artest. We gain rebounding but we lose our only player who draws double teams and his 3 pt shooting. Odom is very versatile but he's not that great of an offensive player and the Kings would have trouble scoring in the halfcourt with Odom.