Magic and Pietrus agree to contract!

[Rccanes2311]

I think Pietrus is a solid pick up, but this team still needs more peices. We need some depth at pg and some more big men badly. Tony Battie is not that good. He is not the answer. The Magic have adressed the sg, but this team still has some serious holes to fill. If we get Williams and another young pg who can also play cause I dont have faith in Jason Williams. They need more big men badly. Cook and Battie are far from being any good at the pf spot. Unless Gortat takes some huge strides in the offseason the Magic will still be hurting at that position this year.

[maginno]

Interesting.....Maginno should believe that. He has said how quality of a reporter Winderman is.

I do. Whats the problem? Hold on I am trying to find the dictionary you guys find your meaning for the word "contradict". Have you even bothered to read Cuban on this? He said one team wanted picks and $2 millon dollars and then he said another team wanted $500.000 - a difference of 1.5 mill so what do you gather from that? Captain obvious. There are no feds setting the price of a second round pick. Various prices were being quoted from different teams and picks. Denton said the picks and teams that The Magic were looking at wanted $200,000. Where is he contradicted?

Chalmers was a first round pick that slid badly. I am gratifed they at least stuck it to Riley to get that pick but the reports have been pretty clear that the standard average for top half second round picks has in fact hovered in the $200-$250,000 range and therefore teams that didn't need the pick and weren't bothered about another team getting them would quite likely have quoted the regular range. Thats what denton reports and it contradicts nothing else thats out there. You are all just kidding yourself that there was some authority that set prices on draft night based on one or two deals when in fact most teams didn't even know what other teams were asking. Its like going on Ebay and seeing a Nintendo Wii listed for $2,000 and then claiming on that one listing that that was the price you have to pay to get a Wii on Ebay.

In short no contradiction.

incidentally - Cuban was trying to justify his not getting a pick so you are not likely to hear the lower prices from him just the high ones.

[maginno]

When you have a pessimistic view, pretty much every team can take a step backward.

You know what is in common with Philly, Toronto, and Washington? They all added major components to their teams who all missed the majority of last season. Toronto and Washington have had their injury problems for several years anyway. I'd almost guarantee one of those teams (Philly, Washington or Toronto) is going to get screwed over big time. .

Whats that you just said? - a pessimistic view can have any team looking like they took a step back. So your pessimistic view (from their perspective anyway) is that Brand, Arenas etc are damaged goods? Injuries are a part of the game. In most cases players come back fine. Can we stop wishing continuing injuries on players just so we can stay ahead? I even see you guys kidding yoruself that Wade is forever injury prone form hear on in just so you can feel better. Lets just build a team that can compete when everyone is healthy. not "cough" "cough" like Detroit. I mean aren't they a "tad better" than us with Hedo injured?

[mhectorgato]

Its like going on Ebay and seeing a Nintendo Wii listed for $2,000 and then claiming on that one listing that that was the price you have to pay to get a Wii on Ebay.

Isn't that in effect what your doing with the Denton story? Taking 1 report, which is so far out of line with other reports, and are claiming that this the "price you have to pay" for a 2nd round pick?

To take your illustration a step further, if all the listings on EBay are in the ball park $2,000 and then you have a single one at $200, wouldn't you wonder what's up/wrong with that item as the price is so far out of line with the others? Wouldn't one consider the ~ $2,000 as the going price?

*I've said my peace again on this subject and am bowing out*

[Last Guardian]

No team is passing us. The question is did we add enough to get to the upper tier? Probably not unless Pietrus fulfills his potential at least some of the way.

[mhectorgato]

Whats that you just said? - a pessimistic view can have any team looking like they took a step back. So your pessimistic view (from their perspective anyway) is that Brand, Arenas etc are damaged goods? Injuries are a part of the game. In most cases players come back fine. Can we stop wishing continuing injuries on players just so we can stay ahead? I even see you guys kidding yoruself that Wade is forever injury prone form hear on in just so you can feel better. Lets just build a team that can compete when everyone is healthy. not "cough" "cough" like Detroit. I mean aren't they a "tad better" than us with Hedo injured?

No one, as far as I've seen, is "wishing" that other players get injured.

We are saying that certain players have a recent injury history (J.O.) or are coming off of serious injuries (Brand, Arenas). With these factors, there's a chance/likelihood they will get injured again or that they won't be as effective as they once were.

So the simple statement that "Toronto added JO therefore they are better than us" isn't that straightforward. If Jermaine hasn't played 4 seasons in a row without missing a dozen or more games, with similar injuries, then there's a reasonable likelihood this will trend continue.

[CourtsideTV]

"
Tired of seeing Pietrus step out of bounds everytime he touches the ball? Tired of seeing him pick up 5 fouls in 4 minutes of play? Welcome to the CLUB. It's time for him to move on and keep the youth movement going. WARRIORS


Trade baby Jordan/Air France bust Mickael Pietrus and give his playing time to the LONDON GENTLEMAN Kelenna Azubuike.

Make it Happen NELLIE."

LOL

[Bucs80]

When you have a pessimistic view, pretty much every team can take a step backward.

You know what is in common with Philly, Toronto, and Washington? They all added major components to their teams who all missed the majority of last season. Toronto and Washington have had their injury problems for several years anyway. I'd almost guarantee one of those teams (Philly, Washington or Toronto) is going to get screwed over big time. Or at the minumum Elton Brand, O'Neal, and Arenas are just the only big names this offseason and their impacts are becoming vastly overrated. Its exciting for those teams and I would be, too. But none of those players have exactly been at the cream of the crop in the winning department the last several years or ever have.

No reason to feel threatened

But teams have made improvements and that's the way they are.

Brand was injured for the whole season. Gilbert Arenas was injured for most of the season.

At this point of the offseason they are pretty much 100% healthy unless something happens to them again.

Only person you could actually say that about is JO. Always injured for the past 3-4 season hard to rely on him because he can't stay healthy for 1 full season.

But the thing is they do what they need to do. And we need to do what we need to do to get better. And we will meet each other and see who is the better team. Washington and the Sixers. Toronto not so much.

[Forest]

When you have a pessimistic view, pretty much every team can take a step backward.

You know what is in common with Philly, Toronto, and Washington? They all added major components to their teams who all missed the majority of last season. Toronto and Washington have had their injury problems for several years anyway. I'd almost guarantee one of those teams (Philly, Washington or Toronto) is going to get screwed over big time. Or at the minumum Elton Brand, O'Neal, and Arenas are just the only big names this offseason and their impacts are becoming vastly overrated. Its exciting for those teams and I would be, too. But none of those players have exactly been at the cream of the crop in the winning department the last several years or ever have.

No reason to feel threatened

But teams have made improvements and that's the way they are.

Brand was injured for the whole season. Gilbert Arenas was injured for most of the season.

At this point of the offseason they are pretty much 100% healthy unless something happens to them again.

Only person you could actually say that about is JO. Always injured for the past 3-4 season hard to rely on him because he can't stay healthy for 1 full season.

But the thing is they do what they need to do. And we need to do what we need to do to get better. And we will meet each other and see who is the better team. Washington and the Sixers. Toronto not so much.

Oh I am the least bit threatened by the Sixers, Raptors, and Wizards. I was just giving my opinion on those moves. I just expect one of those teams to not make out as some of their fan bases predict. Nothing in relation to the Magic. I fully expect the Magic to challenge the Pistons this year and maybe (definitely homerism) Boston if everything goes right. Depends on Dwights improvement, if Jameer plays like he did in the playoffs all year long, and how the new bench players contribute (Players like Battie, Gortat, Lee, and whoever else lands the point guard spots). We are really going to have an entire different group of guys besides Bogans coming off the bench this year. Could turn out to be very good for this team or just average. Can't get worse than last year.

[CourtsideTV]

lol @ viewtopic.php?f=15&t=823344&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

they are going to miss his 'personality' and 'flavor'..lmao

[SOUL]

I've already said this, I don't think Warriors fans like any of there players other than Biedrens/Ellis.

[EasternMagic]

I've already said this, I don't think Warriors fans like any of there players other than Biedrens/Ellis.

It's true been over to their board a couple of times and the always have something negative to say about their players or coach

[gswlego]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA32weTIYzQ

Choose high quality version below the video.

[paperboymafia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA32weTIYzQ

Choose high quality version below the video.

man if he can bring that to the magic on a consistent basis its going to be awesome.

[lovehoops01]

Oh, well, then that gives fans on the Warriors board something in common with Magic fans on this board. Someone here always has something negative to say about all the Magic players except Dwight -- and in game threads, he even can take it on the chin sometimes. If someone just dropped in on our board, they'd probably think the same about us. (Just pointing out that we are no different as a group, nothing else intended by that statement). Plus Warriors no doubt are agitated about what happened with BD, just like we were at the time of the T-Mac and Shaq departures.

Maginno....I do not recall using the word "contradict'' anywhere in my post.

I indicated only that it was interesting that there was another source confirming that there were teams out there asking for $2 million for their second-round picks. That is two different teams that have said that now. I said nothing about whether there were picks available for $200,000.

But neither do I recall a story that generalized the price for the picks. Without knowing at what spot in the draft a team was looking for a pick in order to get a certain player and at what price that pick (or picks) was selling for, it's hard to say how much it would have cost a team for a specific pick or two (for those teams that even were willing to sell their picks).