Iguodala

vtime · Post #1 » by **vtime** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:13 pm

Why not offer Iguodala more than Philly can match and get a 24 yr old 20ppg scorer? He would be a nice wing to run the floor alongside Gordon and his slashing ability would open up things for Kaman inside. You can slide Al Thornton to the pf position and have a nice young starting 5 with Davis being the oldest player. I dont see a downside to that deal. Iguodala is unselfish and a good rebounder and defender and proved he can lead a team to the playoffs, even though he didnt play well in the playoffs last year.

PlinkingPanda · Post #2 » by **PlinkingPanda** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:30 pm

I think Thornton is a bit too thin for the PF position. He needs to bulk up a bit before we even think of moving him there.

ClipperEric · Post #3 » by **ClipperEric** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:40 pm

Although I love his game, Thornton is a pretty skinny kid. I think he has a hard enough time at SF, PF is way too much for him to handle.

Post #4 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:54 pm

Our greatest need right now is PF and Thornton isn't PF. He played PF in college because he is long and athletic. I'd rather that we not go after Iguodala

clipsfan418 · Post #5 » by **clipsfan418** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:14 pm

thanumba2clippersfan wrote:Our greatest need right now is PF and Thornton isn't PF. He played PF in college because he is long and athletic. I'd rather that we not go after Iguodala

I hope we get Josh Smith instead, he would really would fill our need at PF and bring a lot of energy to the team

vtime · Post #6 » by **vtime** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:05 am

After what Shawn Marion has done at pf all these years, their shouldnt be a question of Thornton being too thin. There are several sf's in the league masquerading as pf's including Antwan Jamison and Josh Smith. Golden State even used Jason Richardson as their starting pf in 2007 as they made the playoff push. Just my opinion, but I dont know many pf's that would be able to guard Thornton. Even if you think he cant guard them, you know they probably cant guard him, so force the issue and make them adjust instead adjusting out of fear.

jflipclip · Post #7 » by **jflipclip** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:32 am

vtime wrote:After what Shawn Marion has done at pf all these years, their shouldnt be a question of Thornton being too thin. There are several sf's in the league masquerading as pf's including Antwan Jamison and Josh Smith. Golden State even used Jason Richardson as their starting pf in 2007 as they made the playoff push. Just my opinion, but I dont know many pf's that would be able to guard Thornton. Even if you think he cant guard them, you know they probably cant guard him, so force the issue and make them adjust instead adjusting out of fear.

I do think Thornton can play PF after seeing how buff he looks now, but still, it would be ideal to find someone else to play PF. Dunleavy likes to use half-court sets, rather than an uptempo game. Those players you mentioned, most of them except maybe Jamison, played PF on a uptempo team. Warriors, Hawks, Suns. I'd be all for your idea if it didn't contradict our coach's gameplan.

HOWEVA, Dunleavy has said in recent interviews that they do plan to become a more uptempo team

Post #8 » by **mkwest** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:21 am

The problem with Thornton at the 4 would be on the defensive end. On the offensive end he's going to get by a lot of power forwards with his quickness, but it would just not be ideal as a whole. A few minutes a game is fine and dandy, but we really need another legitimate pf to start at the 4. Thornton needs to improve in areas pertaining to the 3, but if he has to keep playing out of position (as he did a lot of last season) that's going to be somewhat of a hindrance to his development.

GuyverX · Post #9 » by **GuyverX** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:37 am

Thornton playing PF is like Amare playing C. On the offensive end, he has the quickness advantage but on the defensive end, he's going to get abused by legit PFs down low. I'm not saying it wouldn't work if Dunleavy implemented a more uptempo style but that's just not his calling card.

vtime · Post #10 » by **vtime** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:05 pm

You're not going to make the playoffs this year anyway, so if you dont want to start Thornton at pf you could just start Tim Thomas at pf, because it really doesnt matter. You should be looking to get a big-time pick next year like Blake Grffin or BJ Mullens and sign a 2009 free agent wing to pair on the wing with Thornton and Davis.

mj_shoefanatic · Post #11 » by **mj_shoefanatic** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:15 pm

vtime wrote:You're not going to make the playoffs this year anyway

Says who?

GuyverX · Post #12 » by **GuyverX** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:20 pm

vtime wrote:You're not going to make the playoffs this year anyway, so if you dont want to start Thornton at pf you could just start Tim Thomas at pf, because it really doesnt matter. You should be looking to get a big-time pick next year like Blake Grffin or BJ Mullens and sign a 2009 free agent wing to pair on the wing with Thornton and Davis.

We didn't draft Baron Davis to throw this season away and rebuild. We're going to take the same approach as if Brand didn't leave.

Post #13 » by **SD2042** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:41 am

GuyverX wrote:Thornton playing PF is like Amare playing C. On the offensive end, he has the quickness advantage but on the defensive end, he's going to get abused by legit PFs down low. I'm not saying it wouldn't work if Dunleavy implemented a more uptempo style but that's just not his calling card.

When you mention that, it reminded me of when Amare got abused by Chris Bosh last season in PHX for 30+pts if I'm not mistaken. Really was insulting that Bosh got the better of Amare in that game. As for Thornton playing at the PF position, let the guy keep his original position at SF where he'll be most effective at. The only way I can see him playing PF is if he would be matchup against non defensive PFs' like Hakim Warrick, Malik Allen, Rudy Gay, Charlie V, and Yi JianLian types of players.

vtime · Post #14 » by **vtime** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:40 pm

You're not going to make the playoffs next season, no matter who you sign. You're not going to leapfrog any teams that made the playoffs last year in the West Lakers, Hornets, Jazz, Rockets, Nuggets, Spurs, Suns, and Mavs. Those teams are all better. You're not better than Golden State either who didnt make it with your new pg Davis and you're not better than Portland who will win at least 45 and still might not make the playoffs. 50 wins in the West no longer guarantees you a playoffs spot anymore. So yeah, I'm gonna go out on limb and say the Clippers wont make the playoffs next season. And I guess I was right about Iguodala because on realgm's homepage its talking about the Sixers going after Iguodala now, so I guess I'm clairvoyant. Al Thornton can be an Antwan Jamison clone and I think that's a great comparison to what he can do at the pf position.

Rod700 · Post #15 » by **Rod700** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:42 pm

Hawks fan here, I could see them hopping the nuggets next year to make the playoffs if they make the right moves. I think Iguodala is the natural, necessary move to make that would be very beneficial to the team. By using greater cap space to sign Brand, the sixers leave themselves open for you to take one of their best players, due to having greater cap space since Brand's departure. Here's the thing, you don't have to play Thornton at PF. Granted, that after signing Iguodala, PF would still be a need for you guys, but you can still obtain someone to fill that position. Even though your first offer was rejected, NY is still desperate to clear cap space, and the Clips might still be talking to them. If you wanted to make a more cap-responsible move, Haslem is very available as he is stuck behind Marion in the Heat's rotation, and that team still needs to continue getting younger, and needs a point. A starting lineup of Kaman, Haslem (or a similar player), Thornton, Iguodala (who can play SG), and Davis looks pretty competitive. (You could put a three-point guy at SG and move Iguodala back to SF and bring Thornton off the bench if you like).

Signing Iguodala and then trading for someone like Haslem just makes sense. Getting Iguodala at least makes certain that you are getting some substatial talent back for losing Brand. From there, you can trade for an adequate PF. PF does not necessarily have to be a go-to position for you guys offensively. Not signing Iguodala because you are afraid you can't make a decent move to fill in the PF spot afterwards just isn't logical. Get some talent first, then round out your roster. Best of luck guys. You have some good options.

Clip34life · Post #16 » by **Clip34life** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:24 pm

That all makes some good sense.

panacea · Post #17 » by **panacea** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:48 pm

Rod700 wrote:Hawks fan here, I could see them hopping the nuggets next year to make the playoffs if they make the right moves. I think Iguodala is the natural, necessary move to make that would be very beneficial to the team. By using greater cap space to sign Brand, the sixers leave themselves open for you to take one of their best players, due to having greater cap space since Brand's departure. Here's the thing, you don't have to play Thornton at PF. Granted, that after signing Iguodala, PF would still be a need for you guys, but you can still obtain someone to fill that position. Even though your first offer was rejected, NY is still desperate to clear cap space, and the Clips might still be talking to them. If you wanted to make a more cap-responsible move, Haslem is very available as he is stuck behind Marion in the Heat's rotation, and that team needs to still needs to continue getting younger, and needs a point. A starting lineup of Kaman, Haslem (or a similar player), Thornton, Iguodala (who can play SG), and Davis looks pretty competitive. (You could put a three-point guy at SG and move Iguodala back to SF and bring Thornton off the bench if you like).

Signing Igudala and then trading for someone like Haslem just makes since. Getting Iguodala at least makes certain that you are getting some substatial talent back for losing Brand. From there, you can trade for an adequate PF. PF does not necessarily have to be a go-to position for you guys offensively. Not signing Iguodala because you are afraid you can't make a decent move to fill in the PF spot afterwards just isn't logical. Get some talent first, then round out your roster. Best of luck guys. You have some good options.

And as a Hawks fan, could you tell everyone why Josh Smith wouldn't make more sense? IMO Smith clearly fits a need more than Iggy does and would negate the necessity of signing a Haslem-type, he'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone. But I'm sure you'd like Smith to stay in Atlanta...hence your post, no?

cgf · Post #18 » by **cgf** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:54 pm

I don't see Atlanta or Charlotte not matching the clippers offer on Smith or Okafor.

ClipperDomination · Post #19 » by **ClipperDomination** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:58 pm

Iggy would be nice to compliment Baron/Kaman/Thornton at the two spot. Problem is that we would have a huge hole at the PF spot. Powell on occasion could fit in if we were to run an up tempo style of play on occasion, because we would already have so many scorers on the floor that a nice, athletic, complementary player like Powell could fit the bill, but obviously that's not the long term solution.

Smith should be our #1 target. Iggy wouldn't be bad, though.

cgf · Post #20 » by **cgf** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:01 pm

ClipperDomination wrote:Iggy would be nice to compliment Baron/Kaman/Thornton at the two spot. Problem is that we would have a huge hole at the PF spot. Powell on occasion could fit in if we were to run an up tempo style of play on occasion, because we would already have so many scorers on the floor that a nice, athletic, complementary player like Powell could fit the bill, but obviously that's not the long term solution.

Smith should be our #1 target. Iggy wouldn't be bad, though.

If Atlanta and Charlotte match, as I suspect they will, the clips could go after Iggy and then still trade Mobley, TT, Jordan and a future pick to NY for Zach and Lee.