Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum

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Who would you take?

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Andrew Bynum
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Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#1 » by KG_And1 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:19 pm

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PF-C | 6-10 | 256 lbs | 23 years old | 4 years pro
21.1 PPG | 11.1 RPG | 1.4 AST | 2.0 TO | 0.9 STL | 1.5 BPG

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40 pts (2 times) | 20 reb (3 times) | 6 ast | 5 blk


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Andrew Bynum
C | 7-0 | 275 lbs | 20 years old | 3 years pro
13.1 PPG | 10.1 RPG | 1.7 APG | 1.5 TO | 0.3 SPG | 2.1 BPG

Career Highs:
28 pts | 17 reb | 4 ast | 7 blk

Considering that both were talked about being traded for Garnett (with Al being the one chosen) which of the two would you rather have? Andrew Bynum is a better defender whereas Al Jefferson is more gifted on the offensive end. Both are talented young players that will be dominant forces in the league for the next 10 years - both have yet to reach their prime and are only going to get better.
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Post#2 » by KG_And1 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:26 pm

yeah, kinda got that already...
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#3 » by dockingsched » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:26 pm

bynum doesn't turn 21 til the end of october.
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Post#4 » by tsherkin » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:44 pm

Tough call, since the sample most applicable for Bynum is very small.

Going by that, they appear to be comparable except that Bynum is a better defender at the 5 and he's also a bit better about drawing fouls (because Al Jefferson just flat-out doesn't for the most part, it's his biggest weakness as a player, since he can play the 4 just fine on both ends). Having said that, 35 games is not sufficient to make this decision; this comparison can't be made until at least the All-Star break next season (so like 50, 55 games into the season).

In principle, it's Bynum because he's more of a true center and Jefferson's basically a one-end center if you play him at the 5 because he's so bad defensively against guys at that spot. Other than that, you're comparing a PF to a C and that's troublesome for Big Al because he doesn't do much of anything that Bynum doesn't except in terms of how he scores.

And having said that, you have to consider teams and role... so you have to penalize Bynum for playing for Phil Jackson and in the triangle, alongside Kobe and primarily working his offense off-ball as opposed to creating as the primary defensive focus.

So then the balance shifts back to Al... This is an awkward comparison for several reasons as noted herein, so it's definitely a big "wait and see" type of thing.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#5 » by microfib4thewin » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:45 pm

Haven't seen enough of Big Al to make a comment. Bynum right now shouldn't be compared to anyone until he can prove he could continue to be the 16/12/2.5 guy the Lakers desperately needs.
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Post#6 » by OhMyBosh » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:20 am

Al has a very polished post game already. I can see him averaging 25+ ppg in his prime pretty easily. He's also a very good rebounder. I'll take Big Al right now because Bynum needs a full year to show he can actually play to earn the respect that's already been handed to him.

On a side note: how come player heights are wrong for so many people? Humphries is the exact same height as Al Jefferson with (6'9) and without shoes (around 6'8). Hump is always listed as 6'9 and I've even heard 6'8 sometimes. People associate Al as 6'10. Maybe he grew an inch I'm guessing? Bosh was measured a little taller than 6'11 with shoes. Everyone outside of the Raptors organization thinks he's 6'10 when he's actually closer to 7'0. I know it usually means nothing but I don't like the fact that the NBA helps the stock of some players by giving them a couple free inches (Carmelo, Wade, etc) and actually lowers others (Bosh).
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Post#7 » by The_Answer » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:27 am

Big Al is easily one of the most underrated players in the game, and is a tremendous big man. He has one of the most polished games in the league, and is a force to be reckoned on offense. Bynum has shown some flashes, but until he can show them for an extended period of time I'll go with Big Al easily.

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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#8 » by ronnymac2 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:55 am

I don't know enough about jefferson to really compare them, so I'm kinda in the same boat as micro. tsherkin made a really good point about their teams though. Al had a bad team last year, and he's very young himself. But his numbers are very impressive. And the little I did see of him, he made the correct plays on the offensive end. When they double a lot, he doesn't force things and makes good, unselfish passes, but his teammates didn't convert too much. He's a very good scorer, too. Good rebounder. He seems like a pure power foward, especially on the defensive end.

Bynum on the other hand, is a pure center. He's shown great promise, and hopefully fulfills what I believe to be great, great potential. He's got everything set up for him right now.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#9 » by revprodeji » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:57 am

tsherkin wrote:Going by that, they appear to be comparable except that Bynum is a better defender at the 5 and he's also a bit better about drawing fouls (because Al Jefferson just flat-out doesn't for the most part, it's his biggest weakness as a player, since he can play the 4 just fine on both ends).

In principle, it's Bynum because he's more of a true center and Jefferson's basically a one-end center if you play him at the 5 because he's so bad defensively against guys at that spot. Other than that, you're comparing a PF to a C and that's troublesome for Big Al because he doesn't do much of anything that Bynum doesn't except in terms of how he scores.



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http://www.canishoopus.com/2008/7/6/565624/centrisity

and stop making the "Al cannot play the 5" argument. Or that he is so much more effective at the 4 than 5.

Defensively Al is not bad, he just needs someone next to him to help. Gomes is a nice guy. A decent 3/4 best set as a 6th man, but not the defensive guy Al needs. (Hopefully Love's BBIQ-Rebounding and blocking will help)

He also became much more aggressive as the season went on and was finally getting calls on things he was not getting calls for earlier. I think these weak spots you mention for Al are not as tarnished as argue.

OhMyBosh wrote:On a side note: how come player heights are wrong for so many people? Humphries is the exact same height as Al Jefferson with (6'9) and without shoes (around 6'8). Hump is always listed as 6'9 and I've even heard 6'8 sometimes. People associate Al as 6'10. Maybe he grew an inch I'm guessing? Bosh was measured a little taller than 6'11 with shoes. Everyone outside of the Raptors organization thinks he's 6'10 when he's actually closer to 7'0. I know it usually means nothing but I don't like the fact that the NBA helps the stock of some players by giving them a couple free inches (Carmelo, Wade, etc) and actually lowers others (Bosh).


I talked to a wolves media guy about this in May. You are using Al's height at draft time, he has grown (many high school guys do) and when the KG trade was made he was a legit 6'10.

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Bynum is on the better team, on a role he should do great. He is not called on to do the things Al has to do. I expect the west to be fun with Bynum, Oden, and Jefferson. lets just hope MN improves enough to make it matter.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#10 » by ponder276 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:10 am

OhMyBosh wrote:On a side note: how come player heights are wrong for so many people? Humphries is the exact same height as Al Jefferson with (6'9) and without shoes (around 6'8). Hump is always listed as 6'9 and I've even heard 6'8 sometimes. People associate Al as 6'10. Maybe he grew an inch I'm guessing? Bosh was measured a little taller than 6'11 with shoes. Everyone outside of the Raptors organization thinks he's 6'10 when he's actually closer to 7'0. I know it usually means nothing but I don't like the fact that the NBA helps the stock of some players by giving them a couple free inches (Carmelo, Wade, etc) and actually lowers others (Bosh).

This always pisses me off too! I really think the NBA should measure every player's bare-foot height at the start of every season, and list that as the player's official height. It's pretty unprofessional to have nba.com give you information that everyone knows is wrong :(
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#11 » by Tekkenlaw » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:16 am

I'm a big fan of both the Lakers and Wolves, and I would take Al Jefferson every day. I think Kobe Bryant had a lot to do with Bynum's success (Not that it's a bad thing). Bynum has shown flashes but he can't create his own offense at the same rate as Al Jefferson.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#12 » by NO-KG-AI » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:48 am

It's hard to say because of the makeup of the teams, but if I had to take one, I would go with Jefferson.
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Post#13 » by carrottop12 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:04 am

Someone voted for Bynum :rofl:
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Post#14 » by shawngoat23 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:27 am

Jefferson, but it's worth thinking about now.

That wasn't the case when the Garnett trade went down, after Jefferson had a breakout season and Bynum hadn't shown much.
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Post#15 » by Baller 24 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:51 pm

Jefferson and quite easily, just because the guys development didn't have anything to do with his development. Bynum had players like Odom and Kobe, who are excellent attractions to double teams, and have terrific passing abilities.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#16 » by I_Like_Dirt » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:51 pm

Overall, Jefferson is currently the better player but I personally think the gap will be closed pretty quickly and they'll wind up as comparable talents. That said, it's already to the point where who you take depends largely on the team you have around them. I think teams like the Blazers, Clippers and Bulls would definitely take Jefferson while I suspect teams like the Celtics, Raptors and Heat would probably take Bynum.
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Post#17 » by kandiking » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:03 pm

21 jefferson to 3 bynum sounds about right.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#18 » by revprodeji » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:12 pm

ponder276 wrote:This always pisses me off too! I really think the NBA should measure every player's bare-foot height at the start of every season, and list that as the player's official height. It's pretty unprofessional to have nba.com give you information that everyone knows is wrong :(


But players play in shoes.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#19 » by TheSheriff » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:17 pm

I'll take the guy who is already putting up all-star numbers over the guy who has had one nice half season and is coming off a major injury. A better comparison would be Bynum and Oden.
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Re: Young BIGS - Al Jefferson VS Andrew Bynum 

Post#20 » by TheSheriff » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:18 pm

revprodeji wrote:
ponder276 wrote:This always pisses me off too! I really think the NBA should measure every player's bare-foot height at the start of every season, and list that as the player's official height. It's pretty unprofessional to have nba.com give you information that everyone knows is wrong :(


But players play in shoes.


And height doesn't matter, what matters is standing reach.

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