this might work

[walkingart]

Hinrich is a waste if Dragic is the real deal. Too much money at the point. Gordon is a good sixth man, but is too small to guard most SG in the league.

Redd, Mike Miller, Stephen Jackson, Jefferson, McGrady, Travis Outlaw are 2/3 that are going to be available and I would rather have anyone of them in a Suns' uniform over Hinrich or Gordon.

with Chandler and Bosh as the two best bigs that will be available.

[-SDU-]

mace, i know we arent getting a lebron or wade in 2010, but there are going to be 5 top elite franchise cornerstones out there, and then another 10 stars and another 10 semistars

for the first time ever, supply will exceed demand and rather than scrubs like maggette getting 10 mil per year, you might see people like josh howard signing for 6-8 mil per year due to all the teams with capspace using them on superstars

i definately think you might be able to get some of the second and third level free agents for under market value that year

[JustMoe]

i definately think you might be able to get some of the second and third level free agents for under market value that year

Sounds logical, and that's another good reason for not acquiring Nocioni, at least if he's signed to that long-term contract we all seem to agree he is (Shamsport, which usually is the most reliable source for contracts & salaries, has him signed til 2012 with a team option for the following season).

Hinrich, on the other hand, I'd love to get. He's signed til 2012 on a declining contract ("just" 8,25 millions in 2011/12), he's a pretty good defender, can hit the 3, and he can play some SG, as well, meaning we don't have to rely on Dragic immediatly developing into what our FO seems to see in him.
With Bell getting older I definitely wouldn't mind Kirk playing in our starting backcourt next to Nash while also backing him up for a few minutes. What's the worst case? He may not be as much of a scorer as Barbs, but he's pretty good at some things Leandro doesn't deliver at all (again see defense and passing), and if we get a replacement for Bell and Dragic pans out, then we can just trade Hinrich, who's contract will look better with every year passing by.

Nocioni's contract is declining, as well, as I just noticed, but it's still a lot of money for a guy who'll be in his mid-30s when the contract expires and who'd most likely just be a backup for us. I might consider the deal with him, but 1. I think I'd rather have Boris, and 2. if Chicago would offer us Hinrich and Gooden for Barbosa and Diaw, then I'd definitely be in favor of this deal.

[lebron4mvp]

some of ya have no clue what you talk about first gordon is 6-3 same as barbosa so to say hes to small then so is barbosa duh might want to look up stats before makeing post's like that. some of ya talk like barbosa and diaw are all star players sorry to bust the bubble they are not barbosa is a decent SG but not a top tier if u all want proof that gordon is a top tier here ya go http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/sh ... s1_19.html he is ranked 16th in the nba right now and hes only 4 years in and the stat's i posted in my other thread were carrier so far. If you all want to keep a over paid player that dosnt bring much to the table then maybe we should bring penny back he did the same thing as diaw nothing for a ton of money geting artest sorry not happening we dont have the cap for one and nothing the king's want. u all want to just bash on peeps that post trades that offer players you like well to bad thats how it go's and gordon would be the starting 2 not a bench player. all i can say is if the sun's sit on there hand's next 2 year's it was fun watching amare in a sun's uniform becuse he will opt out and look for a team that has some real talent in place. geting lebron or d wade in 2010 very unlikely lebron will either resign or head to net's d wade will stay they have a very good team forming around him. well lets see more bashing of me becuse you all have some gay fetish with barbosa and diaw so you will defend it

[TASTIC]

Dude people will take your posts more seriously if you

a) take a breath - comma or fullstop for example
b) Don't provide nba.com FANTASY DRAFT rankings as your backup

Barbosa's paid FINE for what he does, which is very similar to Gordon in terms of minutes/production. You won't find many people saying Gordon isn't better than Barbosa, but most will agree that in terms of value/bang for your buck Barbosa>>Gordon.

Are you willing to pay Gordon the $9m + a year he will be after? Cos I'm not. And you talk about us having 'nothing the Kings want' re- Artest, what the hell does CHI want anything to do with Diaw's contract when they have a glut of forwards (Nocioni, Deng, Thomas, Gooden), not to mention enough players at guard, and as we've (even you) ascertained a BETTER version of Barbosa, in Gordon.

So my question is, WHY do CHI do the deal? I'm not even going to mention the cap problems with the deal

[rsavaj]

some of ya have no clue what you talk about first gordon is 6-3 same as barbosa so to say hes to small then so is barbosa duh might want to look up stats before makeing post's like that. some of ya talk like barbosa and diaw are all star players sorry to bust the bubble they are not barbosa is a decent SG but not a top tier if u all want proof that gordon is a top tier here ya go http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/sh ... s1_19.html he is ranked 16th in the nba right now and hes only 4 years in and the stat's i posted in my other thread were carrier so far. If you all want to keep a over paid player that dosnt bring much to the table then maybe we should bring penny back he did the same thing as diaw nothing for a ton of money geting artest sorry not happening we dont have the cap for one and nothing the king's want. u all want to just bash on peeps that post trades that offer players you like well to bad thats how it go's and gordon would be the starting 2 not a bench player. all i can say is if the sun's sit on there hand's next 2 year's it was fun watching amare in a sun's uniform becuse he will opt out and look for a team that has some real talent in place. geting lebron or d wade in 2010 very unlikely lebron will either resign or head to net's d wade will stay they have a very good team forming around him. well lets see more bashing of me becuse you all have some gay fetish with barbosa and diaw so you will defend it

You're using FANTASY RANKINGS to justify your point?! ... ... ...

[TASTIC]

Oh yeah, you might want a CURRENT ranking or whatever the hell that is, KMart is battling Salmons for the starting SG spot apparently.

And how about RAJA BELL at #11? So Gordon at #17 (using your logic) comes in and starts ahead of him?

Nice rankings by the way - Deron Williams, the 23rd ranked point guard in the NBA

Wasn't even worth me replying to this garbage

[lebron4mvp]

the bull's want to trade gordon we need to get rid of diaw and to do that u have to give sometihng up to make a team take him and the contract just like when we dumped penny we sent marbury with him i like barbosa which i have said all ready but you have to give up something to get something if there was a way to get gordon with out looseing barbosa then i would be all for it but slim to none chance of that. and i use period's if u all do see them sorry get some glass's

[TASTIC]

One fullstop in that whole post above.
WHY does CHI do it though, you're contradicting yourself - you say SAC wouldn't move Artest for what we can offer, WHY does CHI do that trade you proposed? Just because they "want" to trade Gordon doesn't mean they'd take that deal, they can get far more for Gordon, the '16th ranked fantasy SG of 2006'...

[lebron4mvp]

thats the only ranking i can find for players if you google it all it gives ya is fantasy rank's.
you can ask your self the question as to why they would give up Hinrich 4 the same 2 player's i listed for gordon as a lot of peep's have posted they would dump gordon before Hinrich for barbosa and diaw the king's will not trade artest and if they do they probly will get draft pick's back for him and maybe a decent young guy

[walkingart]

some of ya have no clue what you talk about first gordon is 6-3 same as barbosa so to say hes to small then so is barbosa duh might want to look up stats before makeing post's like that. some of ya talk like barbosa and diaw are all star players sorry to bust the bubble they are not barbosa is a decent SG but not a top tier if u all want proof that gordon is a top tier here ya go http://www.nba.com/fantasy/draft_kit/sh ... s1_19.html he is ranked 16th in the nba right now and hes only 4 years in and the stat's i posted in my other thread were carrier so far. If you all want to keep a over paid player that dosnt bring much to the table then maybe we should bring penny back he did the same thing as diaw nothing for a ton of money geting artest sorry not happening we dont have the cap for one and nothing the king's want. u all want to just bash on peeps that post trades that offer players you like well to bad thats how it go's and gordon would be the starting 2 not a bench player. all i can say is if the sun's sit on there hand's next 2 year's it was fun watching amare in a sun's uniform becuse he will opt out and look for a team that has some real talent in place. geting lebron or d wade in 2010 very unlikely lebron will either resign or head to net's d wade will stay they have a very good team forming around him. well lets see more bashing of me becuse you all have some gay fetish with barbosa and diaw so you will defend it

1. Barbosa is actually 6'5" not 6'3", if you were a Suns' fan you would know that he has grown 2 inches since he joined the league. Also, even when he was 6'3" at the combine, he had a 6'7" wingspan. He would not start for the Suns' either, they would bring him off the bench, because if they started him they would have nobody to guard the opposing teams best guard, since Nash guards the weaker offensive player. Thus negating any offensive advantage he may bring.

2. If you took a survey on every teams forum, and asked if they would rather have Barbs at $6mil or Gordon at $12mil, Gordon would garner less than 10%. Why would Gordon be making so much, well I explained that earlier.

So, if your solution to having one bad contract is to swap if for another, then you might be on to something.

Also, if you are going to look into stats, look at Player Efficency. For every 2 points a team loses or adds, it accounts for 1 win. With your proposed trade, the Suns lose 6 more games. That drops them to the eight seed in the west, and hanging on by a thread.

[walkingart]

and to touch on one more thing, all the things that Barbosa does that Sun's fans hate; Gordon does to an even more extreme: Poor defense, turnovers, and being a "black hole"(for evidence of this, reference usage rate stats). So if you want to take more touches away from Amare whose TS% is second highest in the league, add someone like Gordon to the mix.

[rsavaj]

All right sir, since you apparently thing we're totally wrong, please, PLEASE take it to the Trade Board. I think you'll find that a lot of people would think that this blows for Phoenix.