Would the Wizards be better of trading Gilbert Arenas...

Bigmagicfan82 · Post #1 » by **Bigmagicfan82** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:24 am

Would the Wizards be better off trading Glibert Arenas some quality players? I some of you are going to quickly say no, but if you look the Wizards are just as good with Arenas as they are without him. The best record the Wizards had in the Arenas Era was 45-37. Arenas only played 13 games this season, so this is the best indication we have of what the Wizards would be like with just Jamison and Butler as their two main stars. This season their record was 43-39. Only a 2 game difference between the two. So the team is just about the same with or without Arenas. In fact, this season when Arenas played the Wizards were 7-8. I know he was injured and everything , but the fact still remains that the team is just as good without him. If the team traded Arenas they could maybe get some pieces that they need to make themselves a better team. What do you guys think?

Post #2 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:57 am

Nope!

You don't replace superstar like players with "quality players" -- they don't get you anywhere, but mediocrity, or somewhere around that.

You NEED stars to win in this league, it's been proven year in and year out. -- If Washington can finally stay healthy and put it together, they have a chance, but it's more dependent on Caron Butler (who IMO is that team's best player), than Gilbert, staying healthy and playing all 82+ games....

LeonPowe · Post #3 » by **LeonPowe** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:02 am

Wait, what do you mean by "quality players"? Like Ronny Turiaf quality?

Silvie Lysandra · Post #4 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:09 am

If Caron is the team's best player then what's the rationale for keeping Gilbert?

Caron is better all-around, but Gilbert is clearly the team's best player, and this whole "Caron is better than Gibert" talk needs to stop.

Post #5 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:11 am

Chaos Revenant wrote:If Caron is the team's best player then what's the rationale for keeping Gilbert?

Caron is better all-around, but Gilbert is clearly the team's best player, and this whole "Caron is better than Gibert" talk needs to stop.

In the same mold that, Wade was better than Shaq, even though Shaq was a vital piece to his team's title in 2006.......

Caron's the more valuable player, IMO, to the Wizards than Arenas. But, the argument can be made otherwise.

Post #6 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:11 am

Oh good lord....for the billionth time, the Wizards are not better without Gilbert Arenas. We went from being the #1 offense in the East and the 2nd/3rd best offense in the league in 06-07 (not counting the last month when he and Butler didn't play) to the 11th best offensive team in the league. We only improved our defense 1.3 points per 100 possessions and this was due to things that have nothing to do with Arenas. Namely, the acquisition of defensive specialist assistant coach Randy Ayers, career high in minutes per game for our best defender (and elite post defender) Brendan Haywood and improved individual defense from Antawn Jamison (who went from being the worst defensive power forward in the NBA - in my opinion - to about average).

The last time the Wizards were 100% healthy, we ranked #1 in the Eastern Conference and on pace for more than 50 wins. Arenas was having a very good season, the Wizards were going to get a high seed in the playoffs, and it all got cut short. If we can field a healthy roster, we're one of the best teams in the East (in my opinion, others will undoubtedly disagree). But when the playoffs roll around, a "solid team" doesn't take you where you need to be. Superstars win series. Gilbert isn't there yet, but he's close, and he nearly won us the 05-06 playoff series against the Cavaliers, putting up around 35/6/5, IIRC and nearly going toe-to-toe with LeBron. That's irreplaceable.

TAI8 · Post #7 » by **TAI8** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:19 am

Hell no. It's a shame that Arenas is so underrated in RGM. He is a superstar and you don't trade superstars.

Post #8 » by **Flash3** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:20 am

miller31time wrote:Oh good lord....for the billionth time,

^just save your posts, and paste the same thing everytime :lol:

Captain_Morgan · Post #9 » by **Captain_Morgan** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:21 am

Who's Gilbert Arenas?

Post #10 » by **miller31time** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:32 am

Flash3 wrote:
miller31time wrote:Oh good lord....for the billionth time,

^just save your posts, and paste the same thing everytime

That's actually a great idea!

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #11 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:08 am

What in the world are you talking about!?

The Wizards are stacked as it is! Trade for who, and why? There are no more stars in the NBA to trade for. It is a changing of the guard. They don't need a trade.

Who are you gonna trade him for anyways? The entire league is young and inexperienced. There is no one to go get! And those guys who would make an impact are settled in place with their teams already.

The Wizards are fine just they way they are. All they need is one more years experience. They are loaded as it is and I will expect them to do well this year. They do not seem to have one weakness personnel wise from what I see, that is glaring.

Their only issue is staying healthy, and to a man get a defensive mentality and nastiness which they have in guys like Haywood, Butler, and Thomas. In fact, they may have the most underratted and balanced and well put together rosters in the entire NBA.

I didn't say they were they are the best team in the NBA, but in one stretch they played like it even with Arenas out and they went on that long winning streak. That is a team to watch this year.

If they do not get it done it might be the coaching...because the pieces are all there. And I think Eddie Jordan is a good coach.

But it might take them scrapping that Princeton Pete Caril offense Jordan brought with him from Sacramento and going with a Jeff Van Gundy Grunfeld New York vibe and defense to get them over the top...

They have the top scoring trio in the league and they rebound well and have a backup at every position that is not a scub but can step in and start and play well.

Now they need a couple rough-necks who take some fouls and do not allow other teams to drive to the basket and get easy shots on them so their guards can gamble and get out in the lanes and get easy baskets.

Javalee McGee and Ol Percherov and Haywood and Blatche and Songalia and Thomas....hell they may not have enough minutes for all of them! Just a deep deep deep team...leave them alone!

I know I am being repetitious as I said this last night about the Wizards but leave them the hell alone!
This team is fine as it is...

jack_mack50 · Post #12 » by **jack_mack50** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:20 am

I'm gonna go with no. You can argue that without Arenas they are just as good. You can also argue that if 'Gilberto' had of played last season it would of helped the team gel together and playing the same core for three seasons then they would have almost certainly grown on their 45 win season in 06-07.

To say that they are just as good without him is rubbish IMO

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #13 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:24 am

miller31time wrote:Oh good lord....for the billionth time, the Wizards are not better without Gilbert Arenas. We went from being the #1 offense in the East and the 2nd/3rd best offense in the league in 06-07 (not counting the last month when he and Butler didn't play) to the 11th best offensive team in the league. We only improved our defense 1.3 points per 100 possessions and this was due to things that have nothing to do with Arenas. Namely, the acquisition of defensive specialist assistant coach Randy Ayers, career high in minutes per game for our best defender (and elite post defender) Brendan Haywood and improved individual defense from Antawn Jamison (who went from being the worst defensive power forward in the NBA - in my opinion - to about average).

The last time the Wizards were 100% healthy, we ranked #1 in the Eastern Conference and on pace for more than 50 wins. Arenas was having a very good season, the Wizards were going to get a high seed in the playoffs, and it all got cut short. If we can field a healthy roster, we're one of the best teams in the East (in my opinion, others will undoubtedly disagree). But when the playoffs roll around, a "solid team" doesn't take you where you need to be. Superstars win series. Gilbert isn't there yet, but he's close, and he nearly won us the 05-06 playoff series against the Cavaliers, putting up around 35/6/5, IIRC and nearly going toe-to-toe with LeBron. That's irreplaceable.

I vehemently disagree with that "Superstars win titles." That is not the case....anymore! That is not the case! Ask the Celtics and the Spurs!

Balance wins titles. You can get out of the East without a Superstar if you have a trio like the Wiz have in Arenas, Butler and Jamison healthy.

The Pistons prove that. The Spurs prove that. Yes other teams will slip through the cracks but even the Lakers had move then Kobe.

You need depth, balance, and 3 legitimate stars who peak at the right time and you need guys who can defend the post and rebound which the Wizards have plenty of!

You also need to use your fouls correctly...With ball hawks Daniels and Stevenson, and Young, along with hacks Songalia and Thomas and Blatche with Haywood this team is stacked and will not miss a beat when they get in foul trouble when the game slows down.

The only thing I worry about with the Wizards is if they get in the playoffs and match up against the Celtics can they execute in the half court set? But once they get to the playoffs they can beat any team!

Teams will have to worry about them...not the other way around. If Haywood elevates his play it is all over. They can win a title if he has a breakout career year.

shawngoat23 · Post #14 » by **shawngoat23** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:53 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:I vehemently disagree with that "Superstars win titles." That is not the case....anymore! That is not the case! Ask the Celtics and the Spurs!

Huh? You're talking about the championship Celtic and Spurs teams that feature Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan?

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #15 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:42 pm

Butler is not our best player. Arenas at worse is a top 15 player. He is our franchise player and we aren't better without him

tkunit · Post #16 » by **tkunit** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:49 pm

actaully our best and most consistant player in Jamison. WE have it made this yera when OPEC goes for 16/9..............

rockymac52 · Post #17 » by **rockymac52** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:17 pm

every season a team breaks out and becomes a title contender when no one really expected it. this year it was the hornets. year before was the jazz. you can always look back once they're good and just see that they had the team to succeed all along. you look back and notice how complete their team is. i honestly believe that could be the case with the wizards. yes, i'm a zards fan so i'm probably just being a homer, but think of it this way... if a year from now the wizards were a top team in the east and were legitimate title contenders, do you think you'd understand it? you'd look at the team, say damn, they've got three legitimate scorers. they've got one guy in particular who can score at will. they got depth, all 12 guys on their roster are decent. they got role players who play defense, they got role players who play offense. i'm not an eddie jordan hater, but i think coaching can be improved, and along with health is the key to the wizards' success this season