Scorched Earth: Boozer vs Brand

[dockingsched]

To be fair, Brand might have lied to the Clippers, but if he hadn't done it nothing would have changed. He would have still been a FA, and could have still signed with the 76ers. The Clippers still haven't signed Davis and aren't and haven't renounced anyone, afaik.
Boozer otoh was in a weak position and convinced the Cavs to let him free. Once they did their part he turned his back and went for the money. What he did was bad enough that his agent broke with him and his money. Have you ever thing that happening?

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnf ... id=4163926

Los Angeles, CA (Sports Network) - A day after losing power forward Elton Brand to the 76ers, the Los Angeles Clippers officially signed point guard Baron Davis to a five-year deal worth a reported $65 million Thursday.

To clear cap space for the move the Clippers renounced their rights to five players, highlighted by point guard Shaun Livingston, making the 22-year-old an unrestricted free agent.

[cucad8]

To be fair, Brand might have lied to the Clippers, but if he hadn't done it nothing would have changed.

But things could have changed. At the very least, they would not have renounced him, would have kept his bird rights, and could have offered him a 6th year and a lot more money, or, offered those both in a sign and trade and received something of value from Philadephia. Even if it was something as small as next year's first or something. Better than losing him for nothing. Then, both sides win. Brand gets more money, and an extra year, and LA doesn't lose him for nothing.

[Malinhion]

If they were going to save room for Baron anyhow, then it was stupid to renounce Brand. They could have signed him to a 6-year deal after opting out, one with enough first-year space to also sign Baron, while renouncing the other four players. Then sign Baron Davis after you've locked up your own guy.

If they renounced Brand to sign Davis, they had to save enough money on Davis' deal to have cap space for Elton, too. So why not just do it the other way around?

Either way they are idiots for renouncing everyone's rights during a week where players couldn't sign contracts anyhow. Get your ducks in a row and then beng it out all at once.

Once again, the Clippers are the victim of their own mismanaged financing.

[Hard2dhole]

To be fair, Brand might have lied to the Clippers, but if he hadn't done it nothing would have changed. He would have still been a FA, and could have still signed with the 76ers. The Clippers still haven't signed Davis and aren't and haven't renounced anyone, afaik.
Boozer otoh was in a weak position and convinced the Cavs to let him free. Once they did their part he turned his back and went for the money. What he did was bad enough that his agent broke with him and his money. Have you ever thing that happening?

Let's review the parts of the agent leaving that you seem to have forgotten:

Agents throughout the NBA have united in criticizing (Rob) Pelinka (Boozer's agent with SFX) for committing what one agent called a "fraudulent inducement" by using Gund's act of kindness against him. They believe that Pelinka's betrayal has eroded whatever trust exists between agents and team executives, making it more difficult for each side to take the other at its word. Pelinka could not be reached for comment.

Earlier Monday, many in the NBA were questioning whether Pelinka's career was at risk. In attempt to rescue his reputation, some speculated that Pelinka would resign as Boozer's agent and disavow himself from the Utah contract if Boozer signed the offer sheet. But a top agent who said he is friendly with Pelinka believed it was already too late: "Rob needed to walk away from this as soon as it became public. It's been out there too long to distance himself from it."

Sources close to Pelinka's agency, SFX, say that the management group is seeking to distance itself from the agent. Later this summer, after Pelinka's client Kobe Bryant has signed with either the Lakers or the Clippers, look for SFX and Pelinka to cut ties permanently.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/w ... index.html

So the agent is not innocent but was just trying to weasel his way out after he cut the deal with the Cavs to get Boozer out of his contract. After that the agency stood to make $2.7 million from a new deal with Utah but the bad publicity would have cost them more in the long run so they bailed. It would be hard to make deals in the future as a sports agency when no one will work with you.

[Raps1423]

What Brand did to L.A is a huuuuge dick move because just think about how good a team this would be:

davis
gordon
maggette?
brand
kaman

L.A got screwed over badly,

[mattyj]

Boozer said, "I'm not being paid enough, and you are only going to offer me 40 mil for 6 years, playing for a coach that I hate."

And the Jazz said, "we will pay you 12 mil per year on team that will make you the #1 option..."

Real tough move for Boozer. What a scum bag taking more money.

And Brand just exercised his options to get the most money. Good for him.

Basically, in a league where these teams can trade you to any city at any time whether you like it or not, loyalty isn't the name of the game.

Jazz homer...Boozer tricked the cavs into letting him out when they held a team option...Why would they not keep him at $700k a year? Coz hes a snake that lied to them and told them he'd resign

Boozer is the scum of the NBA

Brand is a standup character, that had a PLAYER option, opted out, went to a better team for more money...

[Malinhion]

What Brand did to L.A is a huuuuge dick move because just think about how good a team this would be:

davis
gordon
maggette?
brand
kaman

L.A got screwed over badly,

By this logic, the Clippers also got screwed when Kobe didn't sign with them, because look how good that team would have been.

[Hard2dhole]

Boozer said, "I'm not being paid enough, and you are only going to offer me 40 mil for 6 years, playing for a coach that I hate."

And the Jazz said, "we will pay you 12 mil per year on team that will make you the #1 option..."

Real tough move for Boozer. What a scum bag taking more money.

And Brand just exercised his options to get the most money. Good for him.

Basically, in a league where these teams can trade you to any city at any time whether you like it or not, loyalty isn't the name of the game.

Jazz homer...Boozer tricked the cavs into letting him out when they held a team option...Why would they not keep him at $700k a year? Coz hes a snake that lied to them and told them he'd resign

Boozer is the scum of the NBA

Brand is a standup character, that had a PLAYER option, opted out, went to a better team for more money...

Cavs homer... So if Boozer is a snake and scum of the NBA wouldn't that make the Cavs Front office/owner also snakes and scum of the NBA too? They tried to screw the rest of the league with a dirty illegal deal and they want us to feel sorry for them? Cry me a river.

If they wanted to keep Boozer, James, and Big Z the Cavs were going to have to pay big and they knew it . Boozer may have asked to be released to make himself more finacially secure but the ball was totally in the Cavs court. They knew they couldn't match the offers Boozer would get on the open market and offered him a lowball deal they would save them $40,000,000.00(including luxury tax) and released him.

As a new unrestircted free agent every team in the NBA had a shot at getting Carlos. Any shady deals made before this are of zero consequence as they are a direct violation of the agreement signed by the Cavs organization, the NBA, and the Players union. So Boozer was under no obligation to honor the illegal "wink and a handshake" offer the cavs ahd made. And teams came courting. The Jazz flush with cash offered a big long term deal to him and he signed.

Did the Cavs cheat the system? Yes and no. They tried to but they go shafted in the end.
Did Boozer cheat the system? Yes and no. He had no control to actually do it. It was up to the Cavs to make it happen.