Udonis Haslem

[Hoops23]

Haslem for Trash Thomas and a 2nd rounder?

What!? Are you serious?

The Suns dumped Kurt Thomas last year in expense of giving away two 1st round picks to the Sonics. With your trade, you're trading a 2nd rounder for dumping Tim Thomas and having Haslem.

Too too Aweful for Miami!

Miami was down with Thomas and Mobley and a 2nd for Banks and Haslem.

I think one of our own poster Flash is the future said it right on our board; the trade is like Crap + Crap and a 2nd for Crap and Haslem.

[GuyverX]

Haslem for Trash Thomas and a 2nd rounder?

What!? Are you serious?

The Suns dumped Kurt Thomas last year in expense of giving away two 1st round picks to the Sonics. With your trade, you're trading a 2nd rounder for dumping Tim Thomas and having Haslem.

Too too Aweful for Miami!

I never said if it was a good or bad deal for the Heat. I just said if I"m the Clippers, it's a done deal as far as I'm concerned.

[Det the Threat]

Haslem for Trash Thomas and a 2nd rounder?

What!? Are you serious?

The Suns dumped Kurt Thomas last year in expense of giving away two 1st round picks to the Sonics. With your trade, you're trading a 2nd rounder for dumping Tim Thomas and having Haslem.

Too too Aweful for Miami!

See Hoops, the problem with that is that neither the Clippers, nor the Heat are the Suns. The Suns gave up their chance at a championship just because they have an owner that does everything to avoid the tax.

So it doesn't matter that the Sonics got two 1st Round Picks and Kurt Thomas(who netted them another 1st rounder), so the Suns could avoid paying the luxury tax.

[madmaxmedia]

This is all speculation right? There's no actual reports of Miami shopping Haslem is there?

[ClipperDomination]

^ As far as I know, there is nothing so far, so yes, this is all speculation.

[Clip34life]

Idle speculation=99.99% of all posts on this forum.

[madmaxmedia]

Idle speculation=99.99% of all posts on this forum.

What else is there to do in the offseason?

I just wanted to be sure, it's a little different than the Josh Smith/ Iggy posts, which have at least some fire to the smoke.

[cgf]

Its not because I'm a Heat fan but I think Haslem will be the better fit along side Kaman.

Randolph has a questionable work ethic and character issues. Yes Randolph is good offensively but the question is if he fits to Kaman and his influence to the team, especially the young guys.
The character of Haslem is already tested, and we all know how badly the Heat are last season. Some players show their colors through losing and even the Heat are already out in the playoffs, Haslem show dedication and professionalism to give out his best despite Miami is out of the running.

Another issue why I will choose Haslem is his friendly contract which is not even close to the salary of Randolph the coming season. For a salary conscious owner, it really surprise me to hear the Clippers trading for Randolph.

No he doesn't, there's a lot of bad to say about ZBo but questionable work ethic isn't one of them, he's a gym rat and plays basketball all offseason long. This isn't McCurry playin for a check.

[Hoops23]

No he doesn't, there's a lot of bad to say about ZBo but questionable work ethic isn't one of them, he's a gym rat and plays basketball all offseason long. This isn't McCurry playin for a check.

A gym rat! Really!? How many % body fats Randolph has???

BTW, its a nice move for the Clipps trading for Camby. Congrats to the Clipps!

See Hoops, the problem with that is that neither the Clippers, nor the Heat are the Suns. The Suns gave up their chance at a championship just because they have an owner that does everything to avoid the tax.

So it doesn't matter that the Sonics got two 1st Round Picks and Kurt Thomas(who netted them another 1st rounder), so the Suns could avoid paying the luxury tax.

Whatever! The trade propose by Clip34life is a bad deal for the Heat.

Yeah their not the Sonics but check out what the Nuggets gave out, Camby for the rights to exchange 2nd rounder.

[DayofMourning]

Now that the smoke has cleared and Camby is a Clipper would Kaman be a piece you guys would be willing to part with?

I looked at numbers and position needs for both teams and came up with Kaman/Mobley/Knight for Marion/Haslem. Is that a deal that LA fans would be interested in?

I know Camby is older, by about 8 years, than Kaman, but this lineup:

Camby
Haslem
Marion
Gordon
Davis

..would be awesome IMO. Throw Thornton in there somewhere, maybe your ace as sixth man and you have a very talented team.

Miami really only gets Kaman out of the deal while parting with it's two best trade assets. Kaman is the only guy I'd even want out of this trade, but based on his production last year and his solid stats previous to that, he's worth it.

Interested?

[Clip34life]

No. Marion is on a one year deal. Kaman is on a relatively affordable deal. Haslem is on a two year deal. Not worth the trade off.

[DayofMourning]

If Marion and Haslem were to stay then would it be worth it? Having those guys locked up along with Davis, Thornton, Gordon, etc. would be pretty enticing to the extensive list of high quality players available in '10.

[Wade-GOAT]

Marion can and will be extended for fairly cheaper than what he's making now. I see him settling within the 10 mil range and no higher than 12 mil.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4729417

The Clips essentially get to dump 3 contracts their not interested in keeping and fill out positions they need to. Neither Camby nor Kaman can effectively play the PF so you get that. Then you get a guy like Marion who makes a perfect running mate for your new addition in Baron Davis. In this trade the Clips get 2 starters and the Heat get one starter, two possible rotation players, and garbage.

[Clip34life]

Yeah don't think so.

[DayofMourning]

Actually GOAT, that trade works without Thomas having to be added.

Truth is, Marion could get an extension from us and then be traded. He was seeking 3 yrs at 13 million per year average I believe and we were only willing to give him 3 yrs at 10 million average.

It's sad that a team has such a hard time holding onto FAs that the years of the contract have to be looked at. No offense, I just feel bad for you guys in that respect.

[Clip34life]

I think you misunderstand me DayOfMourning.

Shawn Marion is on a one-year contract. He will want an extension. He is an undersized PF and we already have a stud at SF. This already makes him unnecessary. But the real point is even if we wanted to keep him around he wants more than we would want to pay him (just like you guys, so does that mean it would be hard for you to retain players as well??? I didn't think so).

Kaman is on a longer and relatively cheaper deal value wise. Why would we trade a cheap, long-term contract that we wouldn't have to worry about for a while, for a one year rental. To be honest, for me Shawn Marion has ZERO value. He is a good player but we will only have him for one year because he will demand a lot of money and some stupid team will overpay for him and we won't match. He would also jeopardize cap space in 2010 if we did re-sign him. The negatives far outweigh the positives.