So let me guess....Camby wasn't an option

[td00]

How did the Clippers do that deal? That was a no-brainer if you want to be able to contend for home court advantage. There was another opp gone by the wayside.
So the Clippers have replaced their big hole in the middle with a defensive presence. Imagine that.
Don't expect Smoove to get that offer now. It does look like he will be back, so I guess we go with what got us this far.

[HoopsGuru25]

Camby was not an option. Denver did the move to dump salary and the Clippers had the capspace to take on Camby w/o sending additional salary back. This is basically this years Kurt Thomas+2 1st rounders for nothing trade.

[Fred Sanford.]

Denver clearly was looking to get below the luxury tax, what owner wants to be a luxury tax for a team that can't get out of first round of the playoffs? So Clippers were able to steal Camby for probably about $15M+ in expense relief. We were not so far under the cap to be able to offer the Nuggets that kind of tax shelter. They weren't looking for a basketball asset, just tax relief.

I guess this means that the Nuggets are failry comfortable with Nene playing next season.

[dms269]

I wonder who will play PF, Kaman?

[Jamaaliver]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Man, we would have been better off letting Smoove walk and trading for Camby who currently averages more reboubds and blocks than Smoove. He is a cheaper option and a vet addition that would have made us a contender in the east.



Camby
Horford
Marvin
JJ
Bibby

That starting five would have been trouble. Just enough youth and athleticism. Just enough experience. Heartbreaking..........A legitmate all star center reminiscent of Mutombo in his youth, th reigning Defensi\ve Player of the year was given away for peanuts, and we had to pass to resign the basketball version of Jeff Francouer. (Smoove)

UGH>>>>>>

[Harry10]

Camby was not an option. Denver did the move to dump salary and the Clippers had the capspace to take on Camby w/o sending additional salary back. This is basically this years Kurt Thomas+2 1st rounders for nothing trade.

what surpises me the most is that, this tells everybody that Nene was in the Nuggets future plans for a long time.

[MikeRice]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

A legitmate all star center reminiscent of Mutombo in his youth, th reigning Defensi\ve Player of the year was given away for peanuts, and we had to pass to resign the basketball version of Jeff Francouer. (Smoove)

UGH>>>>>>

hahaha

How can you use Camby and youth in the same sentence? The guy is 35 and has had major surgery on both knees. About a decade ago Camby may have been reminiscent of Mutumbo in his youth. I expect Camby to have a Ben Wallace type decline this year, if he even stays healthy long enough to have an impact. As for your Francouer -> Smith comparison, I don't see Josh going down to the NBDL anytime soon...

[MikeRice]

excuse me, Camby is only 34 but still old... also, isn't Garnett now the reigning Defensive Player of the Year? Camby won in 2006-2007.

[killbuckner]

no... camby wasn't an option for the Hawks for that price. Basically Denver gets 22 million dollars by doing that trade with the Clippers. Teams were able to buy first rounders this past season for 3 million dollars.

[td00]

no... camby wasn't an option for the Hawks for that price. Basically Denver gets 22 million dollars by doing that trade with the Clippers. Teams were able to buy first rounders this past season for 3 million dollars.

But Camby will contribute more than ANY first rounder this year. That's beside the point. We need interior players in the worse way. Now, will the ASG sign one to come in a be a starter? The obvious answer is no. It doesn't mean they couldn't do it; they chose to make signing the Joshes the excuse. They could have signed Camby by simply keeping the Joshes at their current salaries.
Since their reactive ways have rolled in their favor so far with Smoove, it doesn't mean they have a clue about building a championship competing team
You think Boston was worried about the luxury tax? A pure sham of an ownership group.

[killbuckner]

td00- you know that Camby was not a free agent right?

Owners are willing to pay the luxury tax to compete for a championship. Teams are not willing to pay the luxury tax if they aren't even sure they will make the playoffs.

[Rod700]

You guys have pretty much already summed it up.

1. The Clips had the caps space for Camby, we didn't.
2. Letting Smoove walk for Camby wouldn't make sense. Camby is a great player, but at his age, he either needs to be on a win-now team, or a quick fix for a team with a big need.


One other point I'd like to make though, it seems like the Nuggets could have possibly gotten a 1st rounder in return. Moves like these in which you trade a star guy to clear cap space and don't ask for anything in return seem like panic moves to me.

[killbuckner]

Well.. the clippers were in a good negotiating position. Memphis was the only other team that could offer the same deal and they sure aren't a good fit for Camby.

[Rip2137]

I am shocked and amazed that people still think that Marcus Camby is anything close to a great player.

I still laugh at the fact that one of the worse defensive bigs in the game won the defensive player of the year award 2 years ago because of his window dressing shotblock numbers.

Don't get me wrong, for a 2nd round pick and only 15 mill on his contract, you do the deal because he is a great defensive rebounder. But he is a horrible defender that wants to be more of a focal point on offense even though he simply isn't a good offensive player. Me say no to that.

[td00]

td00- you know that Camby was not a free agent right?

Owners are willing to pay the luxury tax to compete for a championship. Teams are not willing to pay the luxury tax if they aren't even sure they will make the playoffs.

kb, are you telling me that Camby doesn't make this team a potential contender? He shores us the frontline with Horford and then you have to either sit Marvin or move he or Smoove. Those are the choices that need to be made here. We aren't going to compete for the top 4 slots next year with the current roster.
Would you be happier with a Kwame or Randolph Morris at this stage? I say you can still bring one of them in and prepare them for a role off the bench, but my guess is Kwame wants to compete for a starting slot.
Camby not being a FA is not the question here. The question here is are you willing to add pieces to compete for a championship and only havng to give up a 2nd rounder, which historically goes wasted by this management group anyway? Why else would you even field a team if you aren't looking to improve your position from last year? You still have 2 Joshes under contract for this year. You don't have to sign them long term yet. Yes, you could lose them, but how many times has it come down to 'let's worry about that when we have to'? Current numbers have the Hawks below the luxury tax, with enough to take on the Camby contract.
If Smoove decides to walk next year or you don't find a trade partner, then you are just that much more cap flexible. Chances are if the team improves a great deal, then Smoove will still want to be here. With Camby gone, Denver will be lucky if they make the playoffs. Its laughable to give Nene that kind of money and proving nothing!
The mindset of this organization and many of its fans are unbelieveable. If you don't want to pay for the luxury tax, or flirt with the issue, then you aren't doing this city any good in owning this team. The ASG needs to get off their luxury duffs and field a contending team. Not a competitive team, a contending team. That's what Boston and LA do and they don't want to settle for anything less. They have some help of course from some idiotic management in Minnesota and Memphis, and that's who this group compares closer to than the premier amanagement staffs.

[killbuckner]

Td00- the Nuggets couldn't have traded Camby to the Hawks for a second rounder- you get that part right?

And no- even with Camby this team wouldn't be a championship contender.

Very few owners are willing to pay the luxury tax anymore. Its not a case of the Hawks owners being idiots for not doing it, its just that there are a few owners who simply don't care and are still willing. The Hawks simply aren't good enough to justify paying the tax if you are looking at it from the standpoint of an owner. From a fan of course you want to pay the luxury tax, its not your money. THis team is a borderline playoff team... they just aren't close to competing for a championship.

[killbuckner]

By the way- the Hawks should be trying to make a move for Iverson right now. Iverson is actually a guy the ASG may be willing to pay the luxury tax for because of the increased draw. Maybe Bibby, Zaza, and next year's first rounder for Iverson and Hunter. I don't think denver would want Childress or Marvin. Go ahead and throw Acie into the deal to get it done if thats what it takes.

[td00]

You'll need to explain why a $8M salary is not allowed with the current Hawks' salaries. Because the cap is set at $57-$58M? I get it if that is the case, but the question really is, did the ASG even inquire? Move Solomon Jones and move Zaza.....do what you have to do to improve the interior of this team.

And Camby alone doesn't make them a contender. And what one $8M player does? But slot him on the frontline, and you have the makings of a better team going into the season.

You need to work towards the top 4 slots, and what is the ASG's plan then if they aren't looking to contend this year? You want to tell your fans that we are 'hoping' for another playoff slot and the possiblity to push the Celtics to 7 games again?

I don't agree with the Iverson thought at all. He is on the downside and it sure looks like Philly is better without him.

[HoopsGuru25]

td...the Hawks would still have $51 million on the cap even if they were to renounce the Joshes(which would never happen).

[td00]

Well, so far the offseason has been consistent around here. Not a lot of improvement being shown for this team and while other FAs are taking contracts elsewhere, we are going to limit our competitiveness because of the luxury tax. Nice.