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Is Kerr and Sarver the worst FO in NBA?

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Is Kerr and Sarver the worst FO in NBA? 

Post#1 » by statisback » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:11 am

How pathetic are these guys? They cant sign a FA and they cant make a decent trade. They are driving this team to the rock bottom while every other team is improving. Then they draft a poor man's Jake Voskul. I give them an F minus. Too bad Cotton isnt alive to make some changes.
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Post#3 » by eastsidecrossover » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:00 am

Wow cheif, calm down. It was freakn Lue man, get over it. This market of FA was not that great, and also, I know we are just fans, but money is an issue when you run a business. They are one out of 7 teams that is paying the lux tax. Kerr on the other hand, well, that is to be seen after this year. They do not want to pay dollar for dollar for an expensive FA, and I agree.

I think most of us wants the best team, but we have players that are eating up a lot of cap space.

I think lopez will be a good fit alongside Amare.

Just calm down, and lets see what happens. Most other teams do not have the same payroll we do.
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Post#4 » by NashtyNas » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:24 am

Mark my words, Lopez will make you eat your's. Why is there so much hate for this guy? I know I created a topic for him not being the best fit, but after looking at who was left on the board, he clearly was the best option and he's the most likely to pan out. To all you people who think hes "shi* offensively," go look at his stats in the SL. Yeah its the SL and only one game, but a lot of players have NBA exprience and/or are pro's in Europe, so he CAN score. But i do agree that Kerr and Sarver are a stupid combination. See, Sarver should work with Isiah Thomas. Two negatives make a positive, right?
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Post#5 » by inyourface48 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:00 am

i just hope, they dont do it nugget style and trade barbosa away for a second round pick or something like that, just so we can sign dragic without lux tax. i seriously doubt that would make us better.
but when i read the headline "Suns Still Looking To Trade To Make Room For Dragic?" i could cry. i dont think we can get a valuable trade-off for barbosa AND save cap space.
every team gets better only we lose giricek and barbosa and get lopez and dragic this offseason.
i hope they surprise me big time
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Post#6 » by JohnVancouver » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:40 pm

statisback wrote:How pathetic are these guys? They cant sign a FA and they cant make a decent trade. They are driving this team to the rock bottom while every other team is improving. Then they draft a poor man's Jake Voskul. I give them an F minus. Too bad Cotton isnt alive to make some changes.



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Post#7 » by Frank Lee » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:18 pm

hehehe

a beautiful thread devoted to a couple of Mildcats

I do not have much to add that I have not said before...but the past couple of years have been a punishing learning curve.

we will see if any lessons stuck.
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Post#8 » by Sarlonus » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:36 pm

No, I don't think they are the worst front office. We still have Dave Griffin. My total respect for him will balance out any negative feelings towards Kerr of Sarver.

Also don't forget about the duo of Chris Wallace and Michael Heisley.
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Post#9 » by Miklo » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:00 pm

inyourface48 wrote:i just hope, they dont do it nugget style and trade barbosa away for a second round pick or something like that


Nugget style? Get your facts straight - we popularized the "player donation" strategy :lol:
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Post#10 » by funlle » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:12 am

I am not sure why many Suns fans seem to let Sarver and Kerr off the hook. Clearly, we are no longer a contender or a desired destination for free agents. The Shaq trade was a huge back fire. Kerr has had a year to find a back up point guard and can't get it done. This clearly hurt our playoff chances. Although many of you are glad D'Antoni is gone, I am not and feel Sarver's ego played a huge role in this as well as in losing Bryan Colangelo. Sarver is clearly not a competent basketball mind and I am shocked that Kerr has done such a poor job. I felt he would be effective. I still cannot believe we lost the flexibility necessary to make trades by giving away two first rounders for Seattle to take Kurt Thomas, only to have him contribute to our demise in the playoffs. I clearly don't understand giving away James Jones and selling other picks. A strategic front office doesn't let this happen. We are no longer a top five team (BOS, LA, SA, Hornets, Portland, Utah, Philly, and Detroit are clearly better) and many more are gaining on us.

I would think that in running a franchise, there are times when your team has a real opportunity to win and you bite the bullett and pay the luxury tax. There are the down years when you drop way below and build for the future. Honestly, we are now in the down years. We do not have the weapons to win this year and it is only going to get worse next year. Without D'Antoni, we won't have players wanting to play in our system. As a result, although I am upset with the incompetence of how are front office killed the golden goose, I would shed payroll for picks and build for the future. I love Nash and feel he is a future hall of famer. However, bringing in Shaq negates the skills Nash possesses. Why we would have traded for a 300 pound offensive anchor is beyond me. It's as if we cut one of the legs of Nash as we can't run. I would make him available, along with Shaq in any possible trade between now and the deadline. It seems Sarver would love if we could win a championship but not willing to step up to make it a reality. He will be content with a 50 win team and sitting courtside with his foam finger up......... in the air rooting for mediocrity. When Sarver balked at signing Joe Johnson (the first time) for 5 years and $50 million, the down fall began. He would only go 5 years and $45 million. Instead, we have Diaw who makes $10 million while a huge piece of a championship sits in Atlanta. The mistakes we have made have set us back years but could turn around with a creative GM who is willing to deal. Unfortunatley, it won't happen here. Being a valley native, and a Suns fan since 1968, I have never been more discouraged as we really don't have hope with the current team and with this front office. As talented as Amare is, he has proven he cannot carry a team to a championship. So what realistic chance do we have?

So, Sarver and Kerr, it will hurt in the short run but it is time to dump payroll, develop some of your younger players and eventually be willing to spend should we ever get close to a championship again.
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Post#11 » by Sarlonus » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:32 am

funlle wrote:We are no longer a top five team (BOS, LA, SA, Hornets, Portland, Utah, Philly, and Detroit are clearly better) and many more are gaining on us.


Look at those teams. Only LA and Boston pay luxury tax. The Spurs were able to win without exceeding the tax threshold. Why shouldn't any other team able about to do that? Luxury tax is there to act as a hard cap in place of a real hard cap. If every "contender" starts spending way over that then the non-playoff teams trying to rebuild in free agency will probably become upset because they cannot get many free agents. The sole reason the luxury tax is there is to curb spending thus balancing the league. As the result the luxury tax would probably change in the next CBA to become even more damaging so that it can achieve the desire effect.
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Post#12 » by funlle » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:10 am

I agree that all teams don't have to pay a luxury tax. My point was the Suns had/have a high payroll and elected to trade players and picks which helped them avoid getting hit. As a result of not wanting to pay the tax, we sacrificed our chance to win by not having picks from future years who could have helped us and be losing Kurt Thomas. Look at Boston, they had developed previous draft picks into contributors. They even had a pick we gave away (Rondo) make a real difference.

We should have spent because it could have put us over the top. Now, we have a non-contender and should break up the team and start over and build smart.

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