Mo Williams vs. Jose Calderon ** Who is better ? **

[shawngoat23]

Calderon, easily.

(Not a Raptor fan.)

[cb4_89]

I would take calderon easily. Its not close to me.

[tracey_nice]

it depends on what you want from your PG position...for the type of team the Raptors have then Claderon is the PERFECT PG to run the team. And therefore the better PURE PG.

I want what Calderon brings not Mo Williams. As a Laker fan, its Calderon, easy; for me at least.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'll take Calderon on any team, because I wouldn't want a player like Mo Williams on my team..I absolutely hate players with that style..coincidentally, a few of them play for the Bucks right now..

[thegreatblaze]

Calderon

[NO-KG-AI]

I don't think Mo is bad, but Calderon is clearly better.

He's a perfect complimentary player as a PG, he is an exceptional playmaker, and a deadly shooter, which means he is useful on and off the ball, and would excel next to star players.

Mo is a good player, but he's a scoring guard, and not the shooter or playmaker Calderon is.

[Goubot]

Mo's decent, but I've seen him blatantly ignore the other options on the team like Redd and Bogut in favor of a questionable shot. It's that kind of tendency that makes it easier to see why Milwaukee has underperformed offensively the past few years. Subjectively, they seemed to have better offensive flow with Sessions at the point, and I wonder if there's something to that. The stats may not back me up on that.

Calderon is what I like to see in point guards. He plays a style that minimizes turnovers, shoots extremely well, and has great vision. He's not as much of a scoring threat compared to Mo in terms of volume, but he uses very few possessions to put up his own points. He does seem to pass up his own shots (which are a very high percentage proposition) more than it seems like he should, though.

[BrewCityBBQ]

Bucks fan here. I hate the play of Mo Williams, but the title of this thread who is better Mo or Jose. Honestly, Mo Williams is better. I bet in a game of 1 on 1 Mo wins. Neither plays defense, but Mo's offense is better than Jose's.
Who's better from a team standpoint, Jose.

[skones]

Bucks fan here. I hate the play of Mo Williams, but the title of this thread who is better Mo or Jose. Honestly, Mo Williams is better. I bet in a game of 1 on 1 Mo wins. Neither plays defense, but Mo's offense is better than Jose's.
Who's better from a team standpoint, Jose.

QFT

The question was, who's the better player. Teams aside. Mo Williams is a better player than Jose Calderon.

If the question was, who's the better point guard, it's Jose Calderon by a WIDE margin.

[bballcool34]

Bucks fan here. I hate the play of Mo Williams, but the title of this thread who is better Mo or Jose. Honestly, Mo Williams is better. I bet in a game of 1 on 1 Mo wins. Neither plays defense, but Mo's offense is better than Jose's.
Who's better from a team standpoint, Jose.

Yeah but why judge a player off 1 on 1 when NBA basketball is a team game- by evaluating each player's skills in a 1 on 1 game, you're taking away one of Calderon's main strengths over Mo: his ability to efficiently pass the ball and run an offense.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron James beat Larry Bird, when he was younger obviously, in a 1 on 1 game- but that doesn't mean that he's a better player in the context of a NBA game where there are many more factors to consider.

Likewise, Calderon's strengths are highlighted in a real NBA game- his ability to shoot and run an offense; in that sense, he's a better player.

[leevii]

Bucks fan here. I hate the play of Mo Williams, but the title of this thread who is better Mo or Jose. Honestly, Mo Williams is better. I bet in a game of 1 on 1 Mo wins. Neither plays defense, but Mo's offense is better than Jose's.
Who's better from a team standpoint, Jose.

One on one, I bet Flip Murray can beat Jason Kidd in his prime. Doesn't mean crap. Basketball is played five on five.

[starvinmarvin17]

Calderon easily by a WIDE margin, Mo can't run a point he's too busy chuckin

[paul]

Damn there are a LOT of raptors fans in here. I concur with a few other posters in that Mo is the better player, Jose the better PG. Mo can light up on offense like very few can, however his PG play will always suffer because he's more about his own shot than his teammates. Seriously though he is an outstanding offensive talent - I have no doubt if he played the 2 or a combo role he would average 20+ppg. Interestingly neither of them play any defense, so both are a long way from being perfect. Anyone saying it's Calderon by a wide margin is either a Raps fan or high (or both). It could be Jose, bet there's nothing wide about the margin and I guarantee there are teams who would prefer Mo.

Last season their averages were -

Mo
17.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 48% FG%, 39% 3PFG%, 36.5 mpg

Jose
11.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.3 apg, 52% FG%, 43% 3PFG%, 30.3 mpg

[-NSX-]

Damn there are a LOT of raptors fans in here. I concur with a few other posters in that Mo is the better player, Jose the better PG. Mo can light up on offense like very few can, however his PG play will always suffer because he's more about his own shot than his teammates. Seriously though he is an outstanding offensive talent - I have no doubt if he played the 2 or a combo role he would average 20+ppg. Interestingly neither of them play any defense, so both are a long way from being perfect. Anyone saying it's Calderon by a wide margin is either a Raps fan or high (or both). It could be Jose, bet there's nothing wide about the margin and I guarantee there are teams who would prefer Mo.
Last season their averages were -

Mo
17.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 48% FG%, 39% 3PFG%, 36.5 mpg

Jose
11.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.3 apg, 52% FG%, 43% 3PFG%, 30.3 mpg

Are there any teams? I'm not saying there isnt but im going throught teams in my head and there isnt one team that would prefer a shoot first pg than a pass first one. IMO, Even the bucks would need a Calderon to distribute the ball to redd and bogut more and with jefferson on the team, the need for a scorer is less. Every team in the NBA has a talented player or a star and its a dream for any team to get a pass first pg that is willing to give up his shot for his teammate. Sure Mo is a good scorer, and he would probably get his 20ppg as a starting sg or a combo guard, but at what price? at 6'1 he would get burned against other 2guards more so than if he was to guard pgs, so saying he can score 20ppg is useless if you give up 30 points a night to the opposing sg. I think its better to keep him as a pg than a sg. The only real thing I see Mo Williams being better than Calderon is at creating off the dribble. Calderon excels at finding his teammates and also being an efficient scorer(everything you want in a point guard). The Fact that 90%-99% of teams would take Calderon is enough evidence to convince me that Calderon is better by a wide margin and yes I am High. Sure Mo can beat him one on one, but seriously who really judges players like that? Since when did a game of 1 on 1 up to 21 decide who won a NBA basketball game? Basketball is a team game and players are evaluated based on how much of an impact they have on their team. If Johnson or Jordan had teams that never won anything would they be as popular or legendary? Having a Calderon instead of a Mo Williams imo, makes a team much better and more efficient. But hey im from Canada, im a Hockey Expert =P

[paul]

Damn there are a LOT of raptors fans in here. I concur with a few other posters in that Mo is the better player, Jose the better PG. Mo can light up on offense like very few can, however his PG play will always suffer because he's more about his own shot than his teammates. Seriously though he is an outstanding offensive talent - I have no doubt if he played the 2 or a combo role he would average 20+ppg. Interestingly neither of them play any defense, so both are a long way from being perfect. Anyone saying it's Calderon by a wide margin is either a Raps fan or high (or both). It could be Jose, bet there's nothing wide about the margin and I guarantee there are teams who would prefer Mo.
Last season their averages were -

Mo
17.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 48% FG%, 39% 3PFG%, 36.5 mpg

Jose
11.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.3 apg, 52% FG%, 43% 3PFG%, 30.3 mpg

Are there any teams? I'm not saying there isnt but im going throught teams in my head and there isnt one team that would prefer a shoot first pg than a pass first one. IMO, Even the bucks would need a Calderon to distribute the ball to redd and bogut more and with jefferson on the team, the need for a scorer is less. Every team in the NBA has a talented player or a star and its a dream for any team to get a pass first pg that is willing to give up his shot for his teammate. Sure Mo is a good scorer, and he would probably get his 20ppg as a starting sg or a combo guard, but at what price? at 6'1 he would get burned against other 2guards more so than if he was to guard pgs, so saying he can score 20ppg is useless if you give up 30 points a night to the opposing sg. I think its better to keep him as a pg than a sg. The only real thing I see Mo Williams being better than Calderon is at creating off the dribble. Calderon excels at finding his teammates and also being an efficient scorer(everything you want in a point guard). The Fact that 90%-99% of teams would take Calderon is enough evidence to convince me that Calderon is better by a wide margin and yes I am High. Sure Mo can beat him one on one, but seriously who really judges players like that? Since when did a game of 1 on 1 up to 21 decide who won a NBA basketball game? Basketball is a team game and players are evaluated based on how much of an impact they have on their team. If Johnson or Jordan had teams that never won anything would they be as popular or legendary? Having a Calderon instead of a Mo Williams imo, makes a team much better and more efficient. But hey im from Canada, im a Hockey Expert =P

The Bucks would definitely rather Calderon now imo, you are completely right on that. Although in saying that there are many other PG's the Bucks would rather over either of them, because they are both poor defenders and the Bucks need D from the point with Redd at the 2. I wasn't saying Mo was clearly better, I was saying there are definitely teams where Mo would fit better than Jose, and that any margin between them is not wide. The teams where Mo would fit better would be twofold, either where a team has limited offensive threats and/or play an uptempo style (NY, NJ, GS) or a team with one or two star players (particularly if one is already a ball handler) who need a scoring threat at the point to take pressure off those stars (Hou, Mia, Por, Cle). Obviously I'm not counting teams who already have a top ten PG. My personal preference is always for a pass first point, but that doesn't mean there is no market for a scoring point.

[TdotWattz]

Pass first point guards are overrated....
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a legit pass-first point guard.

[-NSX-]

Pass first point guards are overrated....
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a legit pass-first point guard.

Shoot first point guards are overrated...
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a point guard looking to get his night in and night out.

[TdotWattz]

Pass first point guards are overrated....
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a legit pass-first point guard.

Shoot first point guards are overrated...
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a point guard looking to get his night in and night out.

Im just saying lets look at the past couple years.

Rajon Rondo
Tony Parker
Jason Williams

These guys arent guys that really make thier teammates better.
Chauncey is like the best pure point guard to win a title in like the past 10 years, matter of fact, since the last time Detroit won a championship in the late 80's

[-NSX-]

Pass first point guards are overrated....
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a legit pass-first point guard.

Shoot first point guards are overrated...
Name the last team to win an NBA Championship with a point guard looking to get his night in and night out.

Im just saying lets look at the past couple years.

Rajon Rondo
Tony Parker
Jason Williams

These guys arent guys that really make thier teammates better.
Chauncey is like the best pure point guard to win a title in like the past 10 years, matter of fact, since the last time Detroit won a championship in the late 80's

IMO pass first pg are not determined in their stat line but their style of play. I think a point guard is a vital role on the team because he sets the tempo, he does what ever it is necessary to win. Pass first points to me at point guards that dont just pass the ball, they do what ever is necessary to win the game. In the case of Mo williams him taking an ill advised shot tells you hes out there to get his. Pgs like Calderon, Parker, Rondo, they do what is needed from them to win the game whether its a distributor or a scorer or whatever. Some nights Calderon scores 20 but get 5 assists, because somebody is struggling, most nights he gets his 10 and 10 cause his team needs him to distribute to bosh but also keep the defense honest. And point guards like that really are valuable in this league. I dont really see that from Mo, no im not saying its the only reason or even a reason at all but since tj left they havent made the playoffs and nothing has really changed with the core...
Im really done right now so I hope this makes some sort of sense haha

[TdotWattz]

^^^^
Calderon is not like Parker and Rondo....Parker is a score-first point guard, he averaged 3.2 Assists in the NBA Finals when he won MVP