Malinhion wrote:Your "product of the system" argument is horrendous.
LeBron works in the same system as AI did in 2001. Work freestyle, let the team play defense. Yet he produced a phenomenally higher number of assists and scores the same on a much smaller number of shots.
You're discrediting the comparison like I brought it up. IT WAS YOUR COMPARISON!!
You just compared one of the league's most inefficient scorers with two of the most efficient. In fact three when you count Kobe. I was trying to explain how TS% interacts with other shooting percentages to produce the discrepancies you're reading about, but clearly you have no desire to learn about the advanced statistics because you know they will only prove you more wrong. Speaking of which, PER is not a goddamned percentage.
It's okay, though. It's not like I'm doing research. These numbers are coming off the top of my head, but for some reason you're adamantly opposing them, like I'm reeling off lists of numbers that I'm taking straight from 82games. No, clearly you have no basis to refute anyone's arguments. So instead of addressing the points in everyone's posts (which are supported by the stats), you have a panic attack and load up every post box with "OMG MOAR STATS!"
It wasn't really an intended comparison, it was an example. Both 'Melo and LeBreezy are both volume scorers, but they still are inconsistent, as is the best scorer in the NBA (Kobe) is, that's how I intended it but you read it wrong.
Iverson operated under a team that was supposed to work as a half-court (that's why Snow had as many assists as he did) but it never worked out because it doesn't suit his style, he needs to dominate the ball to be effective. He was the focal point of every offensive set, his second man was Dikembe Mutombo who doesn't have an ounce of offensive skill in him. LeBron, having almost the same burden to carry, WAS that team's PG, brought the ball up court and dominated the ball...they're nothing without LeBron, but he has players where he can actually toss the ball to and expect them to hit the shot...as Iverson does now in Denver but he doesn't handle the ball full time. Obviously, LeBron is always going to be a more efficient player than Iverson just because the way he's configured -- he's much bigger, he plays a completely different position, and does the majority of his scoring near or inside the paint since he has no jump shot. He shoots a better percentage than Kobe but by no means is he a better scorer.
TS% = PTS / (2 * (FGA + 0.44 * FTA)
Explain to me how that's even worth looking at when percentages in the first place are flawed because they don't take account for how every point is scored, in what situation, and against the type of defense.
LeBron led the league in PER this year, Dirk last year. Kobe was 8th this year, a notch below Gino. Please tell me how this is even an effective stat to use while comparing players.
Opposing what? I'm saying the advanced statistics are bull and don't deserve to be looked at seriously...we're both on common ground that Iverson shot awfully as a one-man army on the '01 squad...saying "OH SNAP, LEBRON IS DOING IT NOW SO IVERSON SHOULD'VE DONE IT ALSO!" is not an accurate rebuttal.
