Official Artest Everything Thread

[Management]

Another deal could be:

Artest / Garcia / Thomas / + future draft-pick (maybe '09 2nd-rounder)

for

J. Howard / Stackhouse / Jones

No way I even consider this unless you take out both Garcia and the pick.

Maybe you won't consider it, but you're not the FO of the KINGS.

But we could include a player like Bass like i wrote in my first post or exclude the pick!
But there is a chance of -4,500 % that you get JHo/Stack/Jones for Artest/KT....delusional!

I let it at this: This is the best deal you can get for Artest, when you also want to get rid of Kenny Thomas, because Garcia don't wanna play behind Kevin Martin his whole life for only 3 mil!

[SacKingZZZ]

Well, if we can dump Kenny then it may be worth it, only if we can then make moves to get under the cap next offseason. If not then it kind of is pointless.

It's starting to sound more and more like nobody will take on Kenny. If this is true of the Lakers than they are making a mistake. I don't know why everyone seems to think that Kenny can't play anymore just because he doesn't for us. If anything he could help the Lakers. Oh well, they may be pulling another Denver and get to cocky about their current status, although they have more reason to feel that way than Denver. What the Nuggets did was just plain stupid.

This is B.S.

Think about it for one second.

Artest makes 7.4 million Odom roughly double....for ANY Artest to Odom deal you HAVE to match salaries. Artest > Odom and that's why the Lakers wanna swap. Therefore we're not throwing in any other assets. So that leaves Moore, Thomas, SAR as 'filler' to even allow the deal to happen from a CBA.

Moore = Kings starting PF - we're not moving him in this deal to give the Lakers TWO starters for Lamar FREAKING Odom.
SAR = STRONG candidate for retirement - He may not even help the Lakers by playing, and he'd come off the Kings payroll if he did retire, we're not trading his salary at this time either.

That leaves us with Kenny Thomas as the only other logical 'filler' piece to even make the deal happen. Buss is hot n horny for Ron right now, it's not Kenny Thomas snagging up any deal right now, it's Petrie saying F You to the Lakers brass for an inferior offer. Ron's value goes up the closer to the deadline we get, and Petrie knows this.

I'm sure it's somewhere in between.


Although I will say that it can't be both ways. I have heard from reports that Ron being in the last year of his deal is a plus, and a minus. Um, what!? OK. I have heard the Lakers want to get it done and the Kings are holding them off. Then I have heard the Lakers don't want to give up Odom. Then that they will but they don't want to take on Kenny Thomas if they do.

Then I hear the Mavs offered Brandon Bass and Jerry Stackhouse!? Man, that is horrible value for Ron Artest. Part of me just wishes that they would just do any deal at this point so we can finally move on.

[Don Ford]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013938.html

Not too familiar with Sacramento writers, how credible is this guy?

[ALL HAIL]

Would Sac ever consider trading Artest for Pau Gasol.

The only catch is you all would have to take Radmanovic and Walton too.

Gasol, Radmanovic, Walton, and Mihm for Artest, Thomas, Moore, and S. Williams

[KF10]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013938.html

Not too familiar with Sacramento writers, how credible is this guy?

He is just stating another possibilities of the Artest/Odom deal. Just speculation.

[KF10]

Would Sac ever consider trading Artest for Pau Gasol.

The only catch is you all would have to take Radmanovic and Walton too.

Gasol, Radmanovic, Walton, and Mihm for Artest, Thomas, Moore, and S. Williams

I like Gasol. But does he really pushes us to the top? But this trade completely ruins our plans for the 2010 FA though.

[ALL HAIL]

Yea or Nea?

Udrih-???
Martin-Garcia
Miller-Hawes
Gasol-Thompson
Salmons-Radmanovic

[rpa]

Would Sac ever consider trading Artest for Pau Gasol.

The only catch is you all would have to take Radmanovic and Walton too.

Gasol, Radmanovic, Walton, and Mihm for Artest, Thomas, Moore, and S. Williams

Don't think either team would do it. The salary flexibility the Lakers get from dumping Rad & Walton isn't that valuable (it's more flexibility under the tax, not the cap) since they're competing now and, even with Gasol, the Kings aren't a title contender. He's also already 28 years old; which means the Kings would have to build a contender fairly quickly. Only problem is that they'd have a hard time building 1 with Rad & Walton sitting on their cap for the next 3/5 years

[KF10]

Yea or Nea?

Udrih-???
Martin-Garcia
Miller-Hawes
Gasol-Thompson
Salmons-Radmanovic

Like I said, if we made this deal, this ruins the 2010 plan. And we are committed to that plan. It really depends if that lineup could contend.

[BMiller52]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013938.html

Not too familiar with Sacramento writers, how credible is this guy?

Eh if we did that trade LA would have to throw in some young guys too IMO. Like picks or Farmar+Ariza or something.

[Don Ford]

Would Sac ever consider trading Artest for Pau Gasol.

The only catch is you all would have to take Radmanovic and Walton too.

Gasol, Radmanovic, Walton, and Mihm for Artest, Thomas, Moore, and S. Williams

There is zero possibility that the Lakers would ever trade Gasol for Artest.

[ALL HAIL]

Not even if they could rid themselves of Radmanovic and Walton?

[SacKingZZZ]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013938.html

Not too familiar with Sacramento writers, how credible is this guy?

Not going to happen. No way Geoff makes a deal like that. We give up expirings for expirings, as well as dump somewhat valuable young talent. Not a Geoff Petrie type of move at all. The Kings get no further financial flexibility at all. In fact we take on 2 million more in the interim.


It's looking more and more to me like Ron won't be going to the Lakers. I could see Geoff Petrie offering Artest and Kenny to the Cavs for Wally before he did a deal like that. Regardless of what some may think, the fact that Ron is going to another team in our division will factor in. The only way the Lakers get Ron is if they give in to the Kings demands, which is to take on Kenny, which I don't understand being such a huge hang up. They took on freaking Brian Grant's contract to get Odom!

They called about Ron, not the other way around.

[Don Ford]

Not even if they could rid themselves of Radmanovic and Walton?

Still can't see it happening. Radmonovic isn't really that bad, at least not in the Lakers offense. The triangle needs perimeter shooters and he's a 6'10 pf/sf who shoots 40% from the 3pt line and makes MLE money. The problem is that he's a subpar defender which is why he should be a backup rather than starter.

Walton, however, is horrible and I'm sure the Lakers would love to dump him but certainly not at the expense of losing Gasol.

[Don Ford]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013938.html

Not too familiar with Sacramento writers, how credible is this guy?

Not going to happen. No way Geoff makes a deal like that. We give up expirings for expirings, as well as dump somewhat valuable young talent. Not a Geoff Petrie type of move at all. The Kings get no further financial flexibility at all. In fact we take on 2 million more in the interim.

I'd have to agree, does sound like a pretty cruddy deal for the Kings, pretty good for the Lakers though.

It's looking more and more to me like Ron won't be going to the Lakers. I could see Geoff Petrie offering Artest and Kenny to the Cavs for Wally before he did a deal like that. Regardless of what some may think, the fact that Ron is going to another team in our division will factor in. The only way the Lakers get Ron is if they give in to the Kings demands, which is to take on Kenny, which I don't understand being such a huge hang up. They took on freaking Brian Grant's contract to get Odom!

They called about Ron, not the other way around.

I don't really have a problem with the Lakers taking on KT's contract to get Artest but then again its' not my money. The Lakers called about Artest but likely for the same reason that everyone else did, to try to get Artest at a discount. Artest is a very talented player but because of his other issues (i.e. craziness) the chances of the Kings getting fair value back for him are pretty slim. Look at what Randy Moss and Pacman Jones were traded for. Kings may be better off just keeping him for another year.

[SacKingZZZ]

What do you guys think about this?

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/013938.html

Not too familiar with Sacramento writers, how credible is this guy?

Not going to happen. No way Geoff makes a deal like that. We give up expirings for expirings, as well as dump somewhat valuable young talent. Not a Geoff Petrie type of move at all. The Kings get no further financial flexibility at all. In fact we take on 2 million more in the interim.

I'd have to agree, does sound like a pretty cruddy deal for the Kings, pretty good for the Lakers though.

It's looking more and more to me like Ron won't be going to the Lakers. I could see Geoff Petrie offering Artest and Kenny to the Cavs for Wally before he did a deal like that. Regardless of what some may think, the fact that Ron is going to another team in our division will factor in. The only way the Lakers get Ron is if they give in to the Kings demands, which is to take on Kenny, which I don't understand being such a huge hang up. They took on freaking Brian Grant's contract to get Odom!

They called about Ron, not the other way around.

I don't really have a problem with the Lakers taking on KT's contract to get Artest but then again its' not my money. The Lakers called about Artest but likely for the same reason that everyone else did, to try to get Artest at a discount. Artest is a very talented player but because of his other issues (i.e. craziness) the chances of the Kings getting fair value back for him are pretty slim. Look at what Randy Moss and Pacman Jones were traded for. Kings may be better off just keeping him for another year.

Nah, somebody will step up. And if not then they might just send him east for an equal expiring, the Ron Artest ship has sailed at this point and I don't even think bringing him back for training camp is a possibility at this point, no way Ron goes for that.

[RightBWtheEyes]

How about this?

Sac: Outgoing- BillRon
Incoming- Bjax, Donte Green

Houston: Outgoing- Bjax, Donte Green
Incoming- BillRon

Why for Kings- Add young talent in Green, even though we are stacked at the wings... besides, Green is a little raw at this point to receive too much PT right now anyway. Bobby can provide veteran leadership off the bench at PG or off the ball, and is expiring.

Why for HOU- They gear up to make a run at it (hopefully for rockets fans out of the first round)... a defensive tandem of Bill and Battier, with Yao in the middle, could be suffocating.

Thoughts?

[SacKingZZZ]

How about this?

Sac: Outgoing- BillRon
Incoming- Bjax, Donte Green

Houston: Outgoing- Bjax, Donte Green
Incoming- BillRon

Why for Kings- Add young talent in Green, even though we are stacked at the wings... besides, Green is a little raw at this point to receive too much PT right now anyway. Bobby can provide veteran leadership off the bench at PG or off the ball, and is expiring.

Why for HOU- They gear up to make a run at it (hopefully for rockets fans out of the first round)... a defensive tandem of Bill and Battier, with Yao in the middle, could be suffocating.

Thoughts?

I don't know, I really like Greene but I would much rather see the Kings move Kenny in hopes that they may be able to make other moves to get under the cap by next year. If we don't, well there goes that possibility. I think if we get under by '09 that could be the best thing to happen to this team in a long time and something really good might occur.

[_SRV_]

If Petrie consumes all the other talks he might go for something like this.
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[Kodiak Is. King]

Kings are best to keep Artest this year...to compete in a weakened West...seeking a 4rth or 5th seed and a deep run into the Playoffs. The Kings should make no more moves...besides maybe a 3rd point guard. Theus and Artest will lead this team to a great season. Sit back and embrace Artest and he will respond in kind.
No to Odom.
No to Marion.
No to Houston/Cleveland proposals...