I know you love Hedo, BUT...

[Rccanes2311]

I said he had some good rebounding games. I never said their was a vast difference between their stats in rebounding. I do believe Hedo is the better rebounder and if asked could do a better job on the glass than Lewis. Hedo is a better rebounder considering the position Shard was playing and he managed to only pull down 5.4.

Considering Lewis was playing at the starting pf you don't find it a little bit odd that he was only able to pull down 5.4 a game. That doesn't bother you at all considering he can only contribute in pts and rebounds because he's not the playmaker or ball handler Hedo is?

[mhectorgato]

I said he had some good rebounding games. I never said their was a vast difference between their stats in rebounding. I do believe Hedo is the better rebounder and if asked could do a better job on the glass than Lewis. Hedo is a better rebounder considering the position Shard was playing and he managed to only pull down 5.4.

Considering Lewis was playing at the starting pf you don't find it a little bit odd that he was only able to pull down 5.4 a game. That doesn't bother you at all considering he can only contribute in pts and rebounds because he's not the playmaker or ball handler Hedo is?

No. But the implication was certainly there:

Turk is a better rebounder than Lewis and has more skills than Lewis.

Turk had some very good rebounding games this season and sometimes was Howard's only help on the boards.

What else can Lewis do besides launch threes and post up? Turk just brings more to the table.

Not to mention all this was in response to: "You say he can't rebound worth a crap. Neither can Turk."

If Hedo was playing the 4 do you think he would rebound as well as he did at the 3?

(Mind you I'm not saying that Shard is a great rebounder)

[Rccanes2311]

I said he had some good rebounding games. I never said their was a vast difference between their stats in rebounding. I do believe Hedo is the better rebounder and if asked could do a better job on the glass than Lewis. Hedo is a better rebounder considering the position Shard was playing and he managed to only pull down 5.4.

Considering Lewis was playing at the starting pf you don't find it a little bit odd that he was only able to pull down 5.4 a game. That doesn't bother you at all considering he can only contribute in pts and rebounds because he's not the playmaker or ball handler Hedo is?

No. But the implication was certainly there:

Turk is a better rebounder than Lewis and has more skills than Lewis.

Turk had some very good rebounding games this season and sometimes was Howard's only help on the boards.

What else can Lewis do besides launch threes and post up? Turk just brings more to the table.

Not to mention all this was in response to: "You say he can't rebound worth a crap. Neither can Turk."

If Hedo was playing the 4 do you think he would rebound as well as he did at the 3?

(Mind you I'm not saying that Shard is a great rebounder)

Yes I do think he would do a better job on the glass I said that in my last post.

[mhectorgato]

Yes I do think he would do a better job on the glass I said that in my last post.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

It's hard for me to imagine his numbers not to go down while he's playing against bigger guys all game long. Not talking about height, but burlier guys leaning on him in the post. Not just a game, but all season long.

[magicfanatic23]

I just think you have to realize that Hedo would not have had the season he had if he was playing the 4. Rashard is versatile and can play many positions.

I like to judge a player by what they do in the playoffs and Rashard was our leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder.

In the playoffs Rashard averaged 19.5 ppg and 7.2 rpg.
Turk averaged 17.5 ppg and 6.4 rpg in the playoffs.

I just feel Rashard is the better player than Turk especially if he was playing his natural position.

[Neon1]

I just think you have to realize that Hedo would not have had the season he had if he was playing the 4. Rashard is versatile and can play many positions.

I like to judge a player by what they do in the playoffs and Rashard was our leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder.

In the playoffs Rashard averaged 19.5 ppg and 7.2 rpg.
Turk averaged 17.5 ppg and 6.4 rpg in the playoffs.

I just feel Rashard is the better player than Turk especially if he was playing his natural position.

Not calling you out directly just that this in quotes has been going around and its driving me crazy..So i gotta say something.

WHO CARES WHO IS BETTER?!! They are BOTH ON OUR TEAM, WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER WHOS NUMBERS ARE BETTER THEN WHOS AND WHY?

I swear people really do care more about individual stats then us winning games. I still contend its the main factor in so many wanting to trade players away, is so Rashard could get 3 more points a game, even if it costs us 10 less wins.

[mhectorgato]

I swear people really do care more about individual stats then us winning games. I still contend its the main factor in so many wanting to trade players away, is so Rashard could get 3 more points a game, even if it costs us 10 less wins.

Word.

Others have said that we should trade Hedo so that we can justify Shard's contract. While they are entitled to their opinion, I disagree.

[maginno]

WHO CARES WHO IS BETTER?!! They are BOTH ON OUR TEAM, WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER WHOS NUMBERS ARE BETTER THEN WHOS AND WHY?

Simple and obvious. Once you start talking about trading Hedo the question of how good he is a natural part of the conversation - is he your best player after Dwight is a natural and obvious question. That of course leads to comparisons with Rashard pro and con. Now granted you aren't likely to be able to trade Rashard with his contract but some strange things happened last season so its not outside of the realm of possibility.

So I would say that although Hedo is waay more likely to be traded than Rashard although its not really practical if you talk about trading Hedo you still are going to get comparisons as a natural part of the conversation.

[richboy]

Rashard has no natural position. Really if you go by the saying you are what you defend the best then Rashard is a PF. Rashard has found a spot defensively at PF. With smaller PFs now in the league he is not at that big of a disadvantage. Chris Bosh is really about the same size as Rashard.

The only reason Rashard was not a full time PF was in the Western Conference back then with Shaq, KG. Brand, Duncan, etc its tough to put a PF in the game that averages 6 rebounds per game and Jerome James or DAnny Fortson is your center.

This whole Rashard would be better at SF makes zero sense to me. You would think a perimeter player would want to have big guys guarding him. Could you imagine Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Maggette being guarded by PFs. They would abuse those guys off the dribble over and over again. The reality is those guys are truly a natural SF and a PF could not guard them on the perimeter. Rashard is not a SF. He is a soft jump shooting PF.

If Rashard and Hedo made the same salary I would still feel you take Hedo over Rashard. Hedo's ball handling and passing is the second most important thing on this team. If we had someone that could take over the ball handling duties and was a equal or better play maker then I would take Rashard. Rashard is the better shooter than Hedo.

[parso15]

Lewis is a far greater talent than Turkoglu.

I have to disagree.

Lewis is a far greater talent than Turkoglu.

Far greater? How you figure.

Well, we clearly evaluate the Magic talent differently. Lewis at the 3 is a consistent 20/5 guy. Hedo is less consistent over his career and is basically a 15/5 guy.

Last year was a career year for Hedo. It is unlikely that he will improve on the 19/5/5 season he gave the Magic last year (but here's hoping he does!). Lewis out of position at the 4 still went for 17/6; and this was with Howard in addition to Turkoglu absorbing shot opportunities from Lewis.

If you are going to round do it correctly... 19.5 points is rounded up; same with 5.9!!! rebounds... so the season you are trying to downplay is a 20/6/5 season.

20/5 on a lottery team does sound average compared to it doesn't it?

[Bucs80]

Sorry but if Hedo went back to that same old roll player self. We wouldn't be a 50 win team. We would be a team struggling to get into the playoffs. Most Magic fans would agree to that. Rashard Lewis is valuable, but he wasn't the 2nd best player last year. Hedo I have to say is alittle better than Lewis right now. Because he and does much more for the Magic than shoot 3 pointers for the Magic. He can creates for others, he can create his own shot, rebound. Plus he was the down the stretch guy and came up big for us numberous times. I think he was top 5 player this year in 4th quarter points. That's saying alot.

And Rashard Lewis. nothing against him, but I've seen saying this before we signed him. He is just a spot up shooter who shoots alot of 3's. he can't create his own shot, and what I said before, he wouldn't be able to work in the paint like he did in seattle because of Dwight being the main post threat. Making be 2nd option after what Hedo did for us would not work out.

Look they might have the same stats, but they did it differently. And the way I see it, Hedo has put more of an impact that Rashard.

[spinedoc]

Ugh, another Hedo vs Shard thread. To the original post, your players that you listed aren't good enough to trade Hedo for, Haslem being the exception, but we aren't going to deal with Miami anytime soon. I feel we need to trade Hedo for a complement to Dwight. And not to "justify" Shards contract, but I can not believe he was brought here with the max to play the entire time at pf. I just can't believe that. Yes Hedo had a very fine season, and because of that, we deserve something nice for him. I don't believe the team is currently constructed to win a championship though. I don't mind waiting a year to fix that, but eventually Hedo will have to be replaced with a traditional pf, or even a versatile center, and Shard will have to go back to the sf position. But I'd still rather keep him, then to trade him away for trash.