Rockets-Heat-GSW Trade???

Hoops23 · Post #1 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:27 am

Rockets trades Francis, Bobby Jax and Battier
Rockets receives Harrington and Ricky Davis (S & T for two season)

Heat trades Marion
Heat receives Battier, Bobby Jax, Francis and a future 1st from GSW

GSW trades Harrington and a future 1st
GSW receive Marion

Thoughts???

Guy986 · Post #2 » by **Guy986** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:31 am

Can Harrington play SF? Can he defend Small Forwards? I honestly prefer Battier over him so this is a no deal from Houston.

Just cut the Rockets out of this deal and do Marion for Harrington and a future 1st.

HTown_TMac · Post #3 » by **HTown_TMac** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:44 am

No from Houston.. I wouldn't mind Davis but we dont need Harrington. esp. for Battier

Post #4 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:45 am

Rockets pass, we'll only trade Battier if we can get a SF back that can remotely guard the other team's best player--which Harrington is not. And I absolutely hate Ricky Davis's game.

Hoops23 · Post #5 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:06 am

I proposed the trade because I've seen a thread here about a cap space for 2010 and the need of an offensive help.
I thought the Rockets needs to improve their PF and Harrington is a help who also can play SF. I also include Davis to be a help to TMac offensively and be your team 6th man or spark plug of the bench and who's contract only runs for two years. I also thought Harrington and Davis combined is better than Battier who's major contribution is his defense.

jove9 · Post #6 » by **jove9** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:14 am

I wouldn't mind Ricky Davis as a spark off the bench, but we don't need help at the 4.

Oh, and giving up Battier for any of those two is a step back.

Hoops23 · Post #7 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:23 am

Oh, and giving up Battier for any of those two is a step back.

Just curious, whats with Battier that makes him better than having both Harrington and Davis???

HTown_TMac · Post #8 » by **HTown_TMac** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:28 am

Defense?
and we really don't need another 4 or a chucker like davis.. Like the other said we take a step back while having to make more moves.. "But I would take davis for cheap..

Post #9 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:30 am

His perimeter defense, McGrady already has a load on him offensively in terms of play-making and scoring, if Battier left, he'd also be forced to guard the other team's best player and this stage of his career with his athleticism on the decline and his defense showing a dramatic drop off last season, we'd become a much worse overall team.

Last time Battier didn't play (and yes I bring this up ALL the time) McGrady was forced to guard Carmelo and picked up 4 fouls BEFORE the half.

His defensive intangibles that he brings to the team is far more valuable than a few more points. Good offense is always easier to find than elite defense.

Trading Battier for two players that don't play defense, one of whom has been a career loser wherever he's gone is a step bacl.

McGrady2Head · Post #10 » by **McGrady2Head** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:56 am

Oh my we overrate Battier so much

aznkillabeezZz · Post #11 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:15 am

RickY davis is a cancer to any team he's playing in and he plays absolutely no Defense and he is nowhere close to explosive where he usually was. Can't create for himself or for others. Battier is worth more than Harrington and Davis

moofs · Post #12 » by **moofs** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:21 pm

McGrady2Head wrote:Oh my we overrate Battier so much

Post #13 » by **Vator** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:43 pm

Hoops23 wrote:I proposed the trade because I've seen a thread here about a cap space for 2010 and the need of an offensive help.
I thought the Rockets needs to improve their PF and Harrington is a help who also can play SF. I also include Davis to be a help to TMac offensively and be your team 6th man or spark plug of the bench and who's contract only runs for two years. I also thought Harrington and Davis combined is better than Battier who's major contribution is his defense.

You are mistaken. That was last offseason when many people were trying to trade Alston for Haslem(glad that didn't go through) because we didn't know what we truly had in Scola and Landry and some people, myself excluded, thought that Mike James and Steve Francis were far superior players to Rafer making him expendable. We still have Hayes and added Dorsey to the mix as a PF/C so we are actually very content at that position unless an upgrade can be had and this is no upgrade. We don't need a spark plug off the bench, we would like to have a true 3rd star or a borderline star who can be an efficient 3rd scorer capable of functioning in a structured offense.

Hoops23 wrote:
Oh, and giving up Battier for any of those two is a step back.

Just curious, whats with Battier that makes him better than having both Harrington and Davis???

Interesting response. I mean, if you really feel that way why not just keep Davis and Harrington for yourself along with a 1st rounder and whatever else they can give you to make the contracts work? Sounds good right? I doubt we trade Battier and Jackson's expiring for two chuckers. Battier is seen as an invaluable player by the coaching staff and the majority of the fans here except for a handful of people and he won't be moved unless the player or players coming back are true positive impact guys. More people may be more open to a deal for Marion than this one. Of course that depends on what kind of contract he wants.

Alex_De_Large · Post #14 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:05 pm

battier have much more value than harrington and ricky davis. we already have a lot of players better than the cancer ricky davis.

hipmaster · Post #15 » by **hipmaster** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:24 pm

Ricky Davis? No!!!!!!!!

HTown_TMac · Post #16 » by **HTown_TMac** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:51 pm

McGrady2Head.. Are you a rockets fan? just out of curiosity..

tisbee · Post #17 » by **tisbee** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:24 pm

The Rockets and many fans rate Battier so highly because...
1)He doesn't need the ball to be effective
2)Defends the other teams top 2/3 extremely well,and is a good team help defender.
3)Very good spot-up 3pt shooter who spaces floor for rest of team
4)While he doesn't rebound worth s***,he blocks out others,allowing Rox bigs to battle one-on-one for rebounds.
5)Hustles for loose balls,inspiring team and home crowds.
6)Good guy in the lockerroom.

While there are many things other players do better,the sum of his overall game is greater than its parts. He is a supreme role player. And his value is such that just about every trade proposal other team's fans make has them getting Battier.

JOHNNYN · Post #18 » by **JOHNNYN** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:06 am

horrible trade for houston, us trading battier+ 2 expiring contracts worth over 9 million in return for ricky davis? are you kidding me?.. we are giving up double more than we are getting back. and ricky davis may look good from the stats point of view but if you ever watched him play, he is just horrible.

Amel · Post #19 » by **Amel** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:02 pm

I think Davis could fit our style, but he would need to calm down with his shooting dramasticlly and just play bball

jove9 · Post #20 » by **jove9** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:26 pm

Amel wrote:I think Davis could fit our style, but he would need to calm down with his shooting dramasticlly and just play bball

Hmm... something there is dramasticlly wrong.

:lol: