2 trades to get a PF and C

DannyGranger · Post #1 » by **DannyGranger** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:01 am

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heres 2 trades to being in a PF and C for us:

Center
Wilcox for Daniels (both have the same years left and make the same amount of money)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...5~11&te=&cash=

Power Forward
Charlie V + Ramon Sessions (this was the rookie that almost had a triple double and had a 20 assist night) for Shawne Williams + Graham + Diener.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...1~11&te=&cash=

After Bird's "thin ice" comments, it doesnt look like Williams will be around. Bird and Morway have been trying to change the attitude and image here in Indy and Williams is just pulling them back. With all the swingmen we have, I dont see Graham getting much mins. Getting Sessions for us will be a good chance to get a really young PG with loads of potential. There were rumors that Bucks were interested in Tinsley, but after they signed Lue, I dont think they'll have much interest in him now (thats why I left him out)

We're giving up 4 players and getting back 3; since we need to cut down our roster.

New Roster
Ford/Jack/Sessions
Dunleavy/Rush
Granger/Rush
Charlie V/Foster/
Wilcox/Hibbert/Rasho/

Post #2 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:19 am

Wilcox is the kind of guy the Pacers do NOT want. I do think that between Quis and Wilcox, Wilcox is riskier to get, even though Daniels has had his share of troubles. As for Sessions, this is a good idea, but his stats in summer league don't really mean much. Jamaal Tinsley got a triple-double his rookie year against a real NBA lineup, but oy.

Charlie V would be funny next to Granger.

Post #3 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:22 am

I appreciate the efforts.

However, I think you may be either underestimating the values of the guys you're targeting, or overvaluing our own guys.

Chris Wilcox is going to take more than Marquis Daniels. Daniels really has little value except as an expiring contract while Wilcox is a very serviceable and talented young PF/C. We're going to have to give a 1st round pick or young talent along with Marquis to Seattle.

As for the second deal. It's actually pretty close, but I think Milwaukee would like to see what Sessions can do just because of those huge games he had last year that also intrigues you. They're not going to let him go so easily and so soon. He may not turn out to be much, but they have to make sure he doesn't turn out to be the next Steve Nash.

DannyGranger · Post #4 » by **DannyGranger** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:28 am

Miller4ever wrote:Wilcox is the kind of guy the Pacers do NOT want. I do think that between Quis and Wilcox, Wilcox is riskier to get, even though Daniels has had his share of troubles. As for Sessions, this is a good idea, but his stats in summer league don't really mean much. Jamaal Tinsley got a triple-double his rookie year against a real NBA lineup, but oy.

Charlie V would be funny next to Granger.

i dont remember Wilcox getting into any type of trouble, though i might be wrong. I think his game is exactly what the Pacers want. A big man that can run in an uptempo offence. Wilcox would flourish as a Pacer in JOB system.

Why would Charlie V be funny next to Granger?

cdash · Post #5 » by **cdash** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:38 am

Because they are redundant. Charlie V is more of a perimeter oriented PF, and does much of the same things Granger does. Pass.

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:03 am

DannyGranger wrote:
Miller4ever wrote:Wilcox is the kind of guy the Pacers do NOT want. I do think that between Quis and Wilcox, Wilcox is riskier to get, even though Daniels has had his share of troubles. As for Sessions, this is a good idea, but his stats in summer league don't really mean much. Jamaal Tinsley got a triple-double his rookie year against a real NBA lineup, but oy.

Charlie V would be funny next to Granger.

i dont remember Wilcox getting into any type of trouble, though i might be wrong. I think his game is exactly what the Pacers want. A big man that can run in an uptempo offence. Wilcox would flourish as a Pacer in JOB system.

Why would Charlie V be funny next to Granger?

I can't remember the specifics, but I think Wilcox had some run-in either early in the offseason or right before the season was over where I think he was carrying an unlicensed firearm during a traffic stop, but he was only cited because he immediately notified the police officer during the stop that he was in possession of the weapon and where it was in the car.

As far as I know, that's the only thing I can think of.

laydo · Post #7 » by **laydo** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:22 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
DannyGranger wrote:
Miller4ever wrote:Wilcox is the kind of guy the Pacers do NOT want. I do think that between Quis and Wilcox, Wilcox is riskier to get, even though Daniels has had his share of troubles. As for Sessions, this is a good idea, but his stats in summer league don't really mean much. Jamaal Tinsley got a triple-double his rookie year against a real NBA lineup, but oy.

Charlie V would be funny next to Granger.

i dont remember Wilcox getting into any type of trouble, though i might be wrong. I think his game is exactly what the Pacers want. A big man that can run in an uptempo offence. Wilcox would flourish as a Pacer in JOB system.

Why would Charlie V be funny next to Granger?

I can't remember the specifics, but I think Wilcox had some run-in either early in the offseason or right before the season was over where I think he was carrying an unlicensed firearm during a traffic stop, but he was only cited because he immediately notified the police officer during the stop that he was in possession of the weapon and where it was in the car.

As far as I know, that's the only thing I can think of.

Here is the misbehave news about Wilcox:

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/sonics/2008/06/04/wilcox_arrested_on_gun_charge

Also, I don't think that OKC needs Marquis. they've got plenty of young talents at PG and SG.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #8 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:12 pm

Shawne for Shelden Williams or Craig Smith comes to mind.

Dcbaseballer52 · Post #9 » by **Dcbaseballer52** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:27 pm

no way the sonics give wilcox for daniels. They have a lack of quality big men whereas the wing position is where they are most loaded.

haha, I wish we could get shelden williams for shawne... that would be a pretty bad PR move on the Kings part

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #10 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:27 pm

Neither of the other teams would do the trades.

joew8302 · Post #11 » by **joew8302** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:15 pm

DGrangeRx33 wrote:Neither of the other teams would do the trades.

I agree, they would have to go braindead to consider these.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #12 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:54 pm

Dcbaseballer52 wrote:haha, I wish we could get shelden williams for shawne... that would be a pretty bad PR move on the Kings part

I'll have to disagree with you here. I don't think Shawne has done enough to warrant being labeled a bad P.R. move. At least not to 29 other teams that don't have our history of off-court incidents.

I think there's a possibility Sacramento would be interested. They have Artest, whose days as a King seem to be numbered, and nothing interesting to replace him with. Shawne could be that something interesting. In the front-court they have Hawes and Jason Thompson upfront, Shelden Williams looks to be the odd-man out. His production has been lousy, but I'd be willing to take a chance on him.

I think it's a fair deal all-around. I'd probably throw in McBob as well, that is assuming they'd even want him.

Post #13 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:23 pm

Bucky O'Hare wrote:I think there's a possibility Sacramento would be interested. They have Artest, whose days as a King seem to be numbered, and nothing interesting to replace him with.

They already have John Salmons and Francisco Garcia at the SF spot as well; both of whom are interesting options.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #14 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:39 pm

Alright, looking at Garcia's production I see he's not quite the scrub I thought he was.

MillerTime101 · Post #15 » by **MillerTime101** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:01 am

Thats not a bad idea, wi Artest leaves and they do not get a SF back there will be some minutes avaible, even if Garcia steps up into the starting role they will have to replace someone for his old role. Shawn Williams could be a good fit. Wouldnt mind seeing Sheldon Williams in a PAcer uniform, not sure if Sacramento ahs given up on him yet.

I do not want Wilcox on this team, is he that much better then Murphy/Foster? It would be small upgrade IMO as his numbers were inflated last year with the lack up depth up front in Seattle.

Not a big fan of Charlie V either, the guy is extremely inconsistant and simply floats around on the defensive end. Sadly he looks like our best case sceanrio unless we move a major piece.

freeman · Post #16 » by **freeman** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:58 am

Just my personal opinion. At this very moment, Craig Smith clearly has the edge over Shelden Williams. Meaning, the world still needs to see Shelden "The Landlord" Williams prove himself in this league. Unless he develops into a "real" power forward, he will never earn much playing time. In this league with guys much taller and stronger than him, Shelden Williams as an undersized center, will never earn his stripes. So i guess, Shelden's still a big project in the works.
Craig Smith's one of those guys who really provides quality minutes every game like Maxiell, Millsap, Landry, etc. I would like to have him in Indy. But i guess he's a long shot.
If Villanueva can turn himself into a post player with decent perimeter shooting, i would be interested. He plays more like a small forward than a pf, he lacks toughness, and yeah, poor defense. I really doubt Larry and especially Obie would be interested in him.