Some Rumors involving Cs

[canman1971]

I think it will come down to money and I just don't think that Boston can afford to pay him enough so that MINN won't match.

That is basically what I have been trying to say. I think Gomes is OK, but in order to get him from Minny, the Cs would need to offer the full MLE for 5 years and that is in no way worth it.

[MVP16]

I don't really know who you are talking about who would be better options they can't be the guys in this thread.

I think TA is a better option at the wing spot then Gomes. He is a much better defender and can create shots much better/carry an offense. Another guy is Nachbar, although I haven't seen him play that much, he is a pretty good 3 point shooter who can provide an offensive spark off the bench. Lastly, a guy like Maurice Evans might be a step down, but he'll be much cheaper and not that much of a difference.

[kmgarnett21]

do NOT trade TA or House for ariza. if we could get rid of scal for him, then do it in a heartbeat.

and this is the order i want those 3 mentioned (I like all three & would be ecstatic with any of them):

1) Gomes-i just love this kid. i knew he'd be a solid NBA player when i watched him in college. i think he would fit perfectly behind PP. anyone on this team WILL play GOOD defense. he's long enough & athletic enough to surprise ya'll. & we know what else he brings. i think he'd work out great. i just dont think he's that strong of an outside shooter, right? we need someone to fill Posey's crucial 3's.

2) Maurice Evans-solid, SOLID role player. above avg outside shooter. great slasher. would also be a great backup at the 2 & 3. i liked him when he was in LA, & he blossomed in orlando. DO IT!



3) Matt Barnes-he's on down the list behind the first two. i like him, but he's not as good as the other two. had a great postseason 2 years ago, but got real quiet this last year. decent shooter, solid defense player. would be the worse out of the 3 mentioned, but still a decent pickup.



i would love to see gomes back in celtic green

[sully00]

I don't really know who you are talking about who would be better options they can't be the guys in this thread.

I think TA is a better option at the wing spot then Gomes. He is a much better defender and can create shots much better/carry an offense. Another guy is Nachbar, although I haven't seen him play that much, he is a pretty good 3 point shooter who can provide an offensive spark off the bench. Lastly, a guy like Maurice Evans might be a step down, but he'll be much cheaper and not that much of a difference.

Tony is a good defensive player but he is 6'4" he can't really guard the SF spot, and he is not anywhere near as consistent and productive as Gomes offensively.

Nachbar is certainly another guy he isn't anywhere near as good as Ryan Gomes, he isn't as good offensively and makes him look like Artest defensively.

Evans worse than the other two.

Obviously you aren't crazy about bringing back Gomes which is fine. But we are talking about a guy capable of giving this team twice the production that Posey did off the bench these other guys are likely to give us half of what Posey did.

[sully00]

do NOT trade TA or House for ariza. if we could get rid of scal for him, then do it in a heartbeat.

Why not? He is 6'8" athletic guy who can defend, score, and rebound a little. He seems a tad fragile but so is TA. But we aren't signing TA or House to a contract that starts 3 million bucks so if they are leaving anyway why not take this guy back on a one year deal?

[MVP16]

I don't really know who you are talking about who would be better options they can't be the guys in this thread.

I think TA is a better option at the wing spot then Gomes. He is a much better defender and can create shots much better/carry an offense. Another guy is Nachbar, although I haven't seen him play that much, he is a pretty good 3 point shooter who can provide an offensive spark off the bench. Lastly, a guy like Maurice Evans might be a step down, but he'll be much cheaper and not that much of a difference.

Tony is a good defensive player but he is 6'4" he can't really guard the SF spot, and he is not anywhere near as consistent and productive as Gomes offensively.

Nachbar is certainly another guy he isn't anywhere near as good as Ryan Gomes, he isn't as good offensively and makes him look like Artest defensively.

Evans worse than the other two.

Obviously you aren't crazy about bringing back Gomes which is fine. But we are talking about a guy capable of giving this team twice the production that Posey did off the bench these other guys are likely to give us half of what Posey did.

There's no way that Gomes can give us twice the production then Posey. Sure, Gomes put up better numbers, but Posey is clearly the better player. Much better defensively, more range and better intangibles.

As to TA just being 6'4'', he would still do a much better job defending small forwards then Gomes. TA is very strong and has a good wingspan. I would rather put TA on a Kobe, Lebron, or any other small forward then Gomes. And why do we need to get a backup who can cover small forwards? Isn't Pierce a pretty good defender and isn't Giddens 6'6'' with a pretty large wingspan? We need to worry more about a defender backing up Ray Allen rather then Pierce. Offensively, TA is much better with having the ball in his hands while Gomes is better working off the ball. There are positives and negatives for each since the guy needs to work well with the big 3 while we also need someone off the bench who can create shots for himself. TA didn't have a great year last year, but I think, along with Ainge apparently, that he is due for a breakout next year.

In regards to Nachbar and Evans I can't argue too much since I'm working off of stats moreso then seeing them play...but the reason that I mentioned them is because they are legit 3 point threats whereas Gomes shoots 4-5% less then these guys from the outside and is much more selective in his shoots too.

[grantlongforpresident]

of all the teams out there, i think the lakers are probably the toughest to trade with. we met them in the finals and bynum is coming back. both teams will be sensitive about making the other better.

if we did trade for Ariza i'd be ok with that, although he would be the worst 6th man in the NBA. Fortunately he wouldn't be the 6th man on this team - we have guys on the bench that are better. Still, he would be a poor man's posey on D (although still decent), and a crappy TA on O. We could do a lot worse though.

[greenbeans]

my guess is if anything itd be part of a bigger deal. maybe netting them Ron Artest making Ariza expandable?? thats the only way id see this working. but if we could get em id like it. a young, athletic, defensive minded 2/3/MAYBE4 if were going real small.

[threrf23]

I like Ariza, but hope that DA doesn't go Pat Riley on us and go an acquire a player just because he really impressed during one game that just happened to be against us. Why did Pat Riley sign Antoine to his current contract? Because shortly before the end of that season we played the Heat and Antoine had one of those rare games when he played like an all star and did every little thing we could have asked of him.

I like Ariza but don't think he's better than Tony Allen (in fact I think Tony's probably a little better right now). Ariza is younger and a little taller...but...I'm not sure his upside is high enough to warrant long term consideration anyway. He's not a good offensive player, unless he shows real good improvement, not a great liability...but in the regular season he has yet to show any encouraging signs in terms of his jump shot. Not a better shooter than Tony Allen by all estimations even if he hit a couple of shots against us here and there in the Finals. I'm inclined to prefer keeping TA and signing a SF relative to signing Ariza and a different SG.

[Celtics_Champs]

I don't know much about barnes or evans.

I don't think LA would trade with us.

I don't think gomes will come here. Mainly because of money/rfa/matching/MLE it is all too difficult. I think minny would match anything but the full mle.

Ainge just needs some time to do his dirty work. He will get things done.

[dsorc]

And why do we need to get a backup who can cover small forwards? Isn't Pierce a pretty good defender and isn't Giddens 6'6'' with a pretty large wingspan? We need to worry more about a defender backing up Ray Allen rather then Pierce.

Ideally, our backup wing should be able to come in for either Ray or Pierce. In a tight rotation situation Giddens may not get much playing time unless he can out play the wing we bring through FA. Since PP can guard either SG or SF for the most part while Ray cannot guard a SF, a backup that can guard SF is preferable. This is one knock against TA since even with his length and strength he's at a disadvantage against too many SFs. However, because the role for the backup wing would be to backup Ray and PP it would be best if said wing was a 2/3 and not a 3/4. As such, a guy like Gomes, who is a combo forward with limited defensive skills would not be a good fit, IMO. He would be great from a sentimental point of view but he'd be forced to play SF exclusively and should be asked to guard the tougher wing matchup to make life easier on our starter, assuming a 3 wing platoon, which would not be a good idea given his defensive skills.

[kakopedi1]

Sign&trade Tony Allen for Ariza makes sense to me. LA remembers what TA did last year in LA when Rondo was out.

LA needs an athletic guard and we need an athletic sf like Ariza, its a win-win.

[return2glory]

Gomes plays SF now. If we got him, he would be mainly a SF. His improved his range to the 3 point line, is a good scorer and rebounder. He also knows how to play the game well, you can't say that about many players in this league.

For those comcerned about Gomes' defense, I'm sure many had the same concerns with Ray Allen's defence and Pierce's defense going into last season.

I like Gomes a lot, but would you want to pay him $5 million a year to play about 12 minutes at the SF positon? I wouldn't. $3-3.5 million a year is more like it, but I'm sure he will get more elsewhere. His role on this team with be limited.

[GreenGrizz]

Jack Nicholson is a huge fan of Gabe Pruitt.

[kmgarnett21]

i'm ready for the freaking season to start. all this speculation is already getting old & frustrating, especially since we lost james.

lets all hope ainge knows what he's doing. i hope he's aiming to win the title this year & not trying to set the team up for 3 years down the line. win now. i hope thats what he's thinking.

how many days til training camp? lol

[Pogue Mahone]

I am a big fan of Trevor Ariza. I would be absolutely giddy with him on the Celtics.

[Egregious Blunder]

i have a feeling baby might be shopped this summer. he proved through the season that although talented, his weight will be a factor throughout his career.

[s1ickd]

i like evans and gomes

[campybatman]

i have a feeling baby might be shopped this summer. he proved through the season that although talented, his weight will be a factor throughout his career.

I agree. I think he and Scalabrine could be moved for what? I don't know. But, I believe Davis is moved more because he's expendable with the team already having Powe.