Celtics Re-Sign Eddie House and Tony Allen

GregB · Post #1 » by **GregB** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:25 pm

http://bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/ce ... ion=recent

In the wake of losing James Posey. The Celtics have brought two of their unrestricted FAs back in the fold.

Eddie House spent most of last year as the backup PG. Where he hit some big shots in the playoffs. Look for him and second year PG Gabe Pruitt to compete for the backup spot.

Tony Allen is now a year removed from his knee surgery. Hopefully, He can emerge as our replacement to Posey. While, He wont provide the same outside shooting as Posey. He will provide other things that were a weaknesses for the Cs. The Celtics at times turned into a perimeter oriented team. TA is a good slasher who will create easy baskets and FTAs. Plus, He is a better individual defender than Posey.

vinnydelnegrorules · Post #2 » by **vinnydelnegrorules** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:39 pm

dang...the tony allen signing is gonna look pretty good this season.

NetsForce · Post #3 » by **NetsForce** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:07 pm

Not bad signings, I always though Tony Allen was overrated, but when he was healthy he certainely wasn't a scrub.

humblebum · Post #4 » by **humblebum** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:01 pm

vinnydelnegrorules wrote:dang...the tony allen signing is gonna look pretty good this season.

If he doesn't "breakout" this season... he never will.

Lots of Celtics fans are expecting big things from Tony Allen.

francishsu · Post #5 » by **francishsu** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:53 pm

Depending on the contract of O'Bryant, this leaves the Celtics with the BAE and/or half of the MLE right?

Rocky5000 · Post #6 » by **Rocky5000** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:14 pm

yeah half the MLE. I think we used the LLE on O'Bryant.

celticfan42487 · Post #7 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:43 pm

Hoopshye has Obryant starting at 1.5 mil, then I think 1.8 mil next season. Doesn't that sound in line with the LLE. I'm pretty sure the vet min isn't that much.

Death Knight · Post #8 » by **Death Knight** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:45 pm

Wow, this guys are really taking a pay cut............These days, even scrubs normally get paid $10 mil per season.

Rocky5000 · Post #9 » by **Rocky5000** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:50 pm

Death Knight wrote:Wow, this guys are really taking a pay cut............These days, even scrubs normally get paid $10 mil per season.

Shoulda gone to Europe.

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #10 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:12 pm

So who's replacing Posey?

humblebum · Post #11 » by **humblebum** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:48 pm

It's silly to get into the conversation of "who's going to replace Posey?" because that question assumes that the only way the Celtics can win is if they have a person who has all the skills and talents of a James Posey. This is not the case. There is more than one way to win in the NBA.

What the Celtics have done so far this offseason is, in a phrase, to get more athletic. First they drafted Giddens and Walker... both excellent athletes. Then they brought in O'Bryant, who is clearly more athletic than Pollard/PJ Brown. Finally, by losing Posey and increasing the size of Tony Allen's role they get more athletic again. There is legitimate potential for the Celtics to become even tougher defensively, due to greater athleticism. Better in transition offensively and defensively. And better protecting the rim if O'Bryant is able to deliver on some of his potential on the defensive end.

So Danny Ainge is going out on the limb of trusting younger players and we'll all get the chance to see how he did next season.

TheSheriff · Post #12 » by **TheSheriff** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:10 pm

humblebum wrote:It's silly to get into the conversation of "who's going to replace Posey?" because that question assumes that the only way the Celtics can win is if they have a person who has all the skills and talents of a James Posey. This is not the case. There is more than one way to win in the NBA.

What the Celtics have done so far this offseason is, in a phrase, to get more athletic. First they drafted Giddens and Walker... both excellent athletes. Then they brought in O'Bryant, who is clearly more athletic than Pollard/PJ Brown. Finally, by losing Posey and increasing the size of Tony Allen's role they get more athletic again. There is legitimate potential for the Celtics to become even tougher defensively, due to greater athleticism. Better in transition offensively and defensively. And better protecting the rim if O'Bryant is able to deliver on some of his potential on the defensive end.

So Danny Ainge is going out on the limb of trusting younger players and we'll all get the chance to see how he did next season.

The Celtics did tend to have some problems with younger more athletic teams last year, which was why the Hawks gave them more problems than the Lakers and Pistons did. Tony Allen (if playing at 2006 level), Giddens and Walker should be able to match the athleticism of teams like the hawks.

celticfan42487 · Post #13 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:31 pm

The Hawks gave teh Celtics trouble with athletisim because Ray Allen was in the biggest slump of his career and Pierce was in a mini slump himself.

The Piston and Lakers lost to the Celtics because Ray Allen was running at 75% in the ECF and 100% performance in the Finals. Not because the Lakers and Pistons gave the Celts less trouble. Hell the Hawks at times couldn't score a point if the Celtics gave them layups. They were that poor of an offensive team.

TheSheriff · Post #14 » by **TheSheriff** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:23 am

celticfan42487 wrote:The Hawks gave teh Celtics trouble with athletisim because Ray Allen was in the biggest slump of his career and Pierce was in a mini slump himself.

The Piston and Lakers lost to the Celtics because Ray Allen was running at 75% in the ECF and 100% performance in the Finals. Not because the Lakers and Pistons gave the Celts less trouble. Hell the Hawks at times couldn't score a point if the Celtics gave them layups. They were that poor of an offensive team.

It is more complicated than just Ray Allen (as it usually is). If you look at the Celtics regular season losses, a majority were against fast paced, athletic, fast break teams.

Rocky5000 · Post #15 » by **Rocky5000** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:20 am

Yep, the Celtics lost to teams like the Wizards(x2), Warriors(x1), Bobcats(x1), Hornets(x1), Nuggets(x1) and Philadelphia(x1). All athletic teams. That makes up 7 of the 16 losses for the Celtics. You can throw in the Suns as well as being a borderline athletic team.(They play up-tempo...) I think that the Celtic draft picks and the signing of O'Bryant are intended to correct the problems we had with those types of teams. I don't believe, however, that the Celtics meant to let Posey go, we wanted to give him 3 years at the MLE, and he just demanded too much. Now Tony Allen is destined to get more minutes, who will swing the bench to being even more athletic. The Celtics may end up missing some of Posey's sharp shooting.

sarah42 · Post #16 » by **sarah42** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:30 am

maybe its just me but i'm really happy for eddie house! finally he gets to live in the same city for more than one year. i mean 8 cities in 8 seasons or whatever he went through is just daunting to even think about when he has a wife and i think two little kids! i can't imagine a life where I was afraid I had to move before every school season. now he has a chance to stay in a city for more than one year. go eddie! the boston crowd really grew to love him with those really loud serenades of his name in the playoffs. his play plus the fans hating sam cassell must have been behind those loud cheers for him! lol

BitonKOBE · Post #17 » by **BitonKOBE** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:57 am

eddie house definitely deserves the success. he is a class act who has played with heart every game i've seen him play in the pros and college, where he was involved in a couple of incidents but took full responsibility for himself at the time and since.

he's one of my favorite players. in college he pulled an O-for 20 or something in a game and then came back and scored 50 points the next game. thats KOBE-level obsessive behavior right there.

i hope he wears his championship ring every dinner he has w mike bibby.

eatyourchildren · Post #18 » by **eatyourchildren** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:26 pm

Sure, the Celtics may benefit from getting more athletic, but thats an unknown quantity compared to the known good that was Posey's play. I think at the end of the day the Celtics fans would rather have Posey going into next year than not, his contract notwithstanding.

Sure, it might have been the smart business decision, but for next year at least, the Celtics would have been better off having Posey.

wickerhd · Post #19 » by **wickerhd** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:44 pm

Of course the Celtics would rather have had Posey, but the salary cap just doesn't allow you to load up at every position on the roster. When we signed Posey last year, there was nothing in his resume that ordained him as THE ANSWER. His biggest asset was playoff experience having won a ring in Miami. Now, we have 9 guys on the roster who have won a ring and know what it takes to win a championship. My guess is that we'll use the regular season to see if any of the rookies or Tony Allen can fill the role. If not, we'll have to make some sort of deal at the trade deadline.

Also, there is talk that Ainge will sign Devean George, who has significant playoff experience from the Lakers.

nyhuskyfan · Post #20 » by **nyhuskyfan** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:42 pm

Ray Allen wasn't in a slump against Atlanta. He was just fine for the first five games (I think he had five three-pointers in Game 4 and 5) and the first 45 minutes in Game 6. When Pierce fouled out of Game 6, Allen misfired four times down the stretch, including a go-ahead three-point attempt with 10 seconds or so left. Game 7 was a blowout by halftime, but he didn't shoot well in that one. Then the Cavs series saw him go totally AWOL.

It's possible (even though he would deny it publicly) that his misfires in crunch time of Game 6 had a bit of a mental effect, and the Cavs really made a point of taking him out of the offense, so the slump got worse before it got better.