Dweyer's take on Camby trade

SnakefromHell · Post #1 » by **SnakefromHell** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:46 am

Did both teams get what they want? Probably not, but in a certain way, yes. This is why we're going to take this two parts at one time:

1). Ask anyone who saw a Nuggets game last year and the one prior that wasn't on national TV, and they'll tell you that Marcus Camby is overrated as a defender.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... =nba,94347

Pretty good article...

Kakish · Post #2 » by **Kakish** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:36 am

He speaks the truth.

LBJ TO BK 08 · Post #3 » by **LBJ TO BK 08** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:01 pm

absoultey no clue on what a big man means to the game ...stats wise the man gets triple doubles with blocks...basketball wise just because he doesnt get 5 blocks a game doesnt mean he doesnt impact it...as a big myself who blocks the S*** out of any one who comes at me...once i block someone they dont come back...its called the imtidation factor...marcus camby owns the paint when hes on the floor no one is gna take it to him they are gna either shoot a bad or a tough shot eithter way they will respect him...psh overrated defender

EMB6903 · Post #4 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:45 pm

have you watched every single nuggets game? its funny you come to this board and argue with actually Nuggets fans who watched him every game this season.... this was a great article because its the truth, he is a horrible man defender gets embarressed when guarding somebody on the block, he never steps out on pick and rolls EVER and hes got that lazy mentality, something this team doesnt need more of.

I doubt anybody in this league is intimidated of a shot blocker in this league... this isnt the Y, this is the NBA

Ill miss his rebounding and what he did for the community of Denver thats it, not even as a help defender will I give this guy much credit.. he was a great shot blocker but the other 70% of the time he attempted a blocked shot it led to offensive boards and very easy put backs.

CanNugget · Post #5 » by **CanNugget** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:48 pm

he does NOT own the paint! did you watch the sweep vs. the lakers?? he can block as a help defender but guys like gasol manhandle the **** out of him 1on1! so ya he's overrated and stats mean nothing with this guy, but you wouldnt know unless you watch him enough...

LBJ TO BK 08 · Post #6 » by **LBJ TO BK 08** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:01 pm

actually yeh i do watch the nuggets... and your just mad because the clipps gave you a 2nd rd pick and you took it...if camby was still wit denver this thread would have never happpnded

EMB6903 · Post #7 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:24 pm

LBJ,only 24 posts and you are already making a fool of yourself?

Ill bet 75% of this board wanted Camby off this team even before we started the season LAST YEAR

when I found out Camby got traded I was so relieved... Ill give it 2 weeks into the season before Clippers fans realize this guy is as over-rated as anybody in the league.

LBJ TO BK 08 · Post #8 » by **LBJ TO BK 08** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:03 pm

ok so you would rather start nene that marcus camby...your a smart dude

JRMelo15 · Post #9 » by **JRMelo15** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:24 pm

LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:ok so you would rather start nene that marcus camby...your a smart dude

He's a known Nene homer. I'd have MC over Nene on D, but Nene is definitely better offensive player. I never want to see MC's "jumpshots" from the top again.

LBJ TO BK 08 · Post #10 » by **LBJ TO BK 08** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:32 pm

camby is the best passing bigg...and has a pretty effective jump shot...so how is nene better? cause he bangs?

blue steel · Post #11 » by **blue steel** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:45 pm

nene plays like a big man, hes better offensively and defensively than marcus camby. hes biggest problem is his health and if this team is relying on him being healthy all year than we are screwed. id be surprised to see him play more than 50 games.. and yes, the majority of us would rather have Nene start than Camby. and all this stuff has been said wayyyyyyy before that trade happened. no one hear is happy that we didnt get at least a 1st round pick for him, but if you watch every nugget game like i do, then you wanted camby off this team.

EMB6903 · Post #12 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:54 pm

AIMelo15 wrote:
LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:ok so you would rather start nene that marcus camby...your a smart dude

He's a known Nene homer. I'd have MC over Nene on D, but Nene is definitely better offensive player. I never want to see MC's "jumpshots" from the top again.

you just dont understand basketball, I dont think I can take anybody who seriously claims Camby as a better overall defender then Nene... thats taking stupidity to another level my man

EMB6903 · Post #13 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:55 pm

LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:camby is the best passing bigg...and has a pretty effective jump shot...so how is nene better? cause he bangs?

Camby the best passing big in the game today???

LMAO!

LBJ TO BK 08 · Post #14 » by **LBJ TO BK 08** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:03 pm

EMB6903 wrote:
LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:camby is the best passing bigg...and has a pretty effective jump shot...so how is nene better? cause he bangs?

Camby the best passing big in the game today???

LMAO!

LBJ TO BK 08 · Post #15 » by **LBJ TO BK 08** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:05 pm

whos better? nene? chris anderson? ohhhhhh kendrick perkinks your so much smarter than me

RRFB · Post #16 » by **RRFB** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:08 pm

LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:actually yeh i do watch the nuggets... and your just mad because the clipps gave you a 2nd rd pick and you took it...if camby was still wit denver this thread would have never happpnded

You obviously do not.

LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:ok so you would rather start nene that marcus camby...your a smart dude

I(and probably most Nuggets fans) will take a healthy Nene over Camby any day of the week.

EMB6903 · Post #17 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:09 pm

LBJ TO BK 08 wrote:whos better? nene? chris anderson? ohhhhhh kendrick perkinks your so much smarter than me

what in the hell does that mean

EMB6903 · Post #18 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:16 pm

there is no doubt Nene is a much better player, the only thing that is stopping nene from being a 17-10 guy is his committment to basketball in my opinion, lets hope this Camby trade makes Nene work even Harder this off season knowing that hes going to be a starter and a key contributer to this team.

by the way has anybody heard anything on Nene this off season, is he in Brazil or training in the states?

He should be more then ready to go if Hess is around him all summer.

SnakefromHell · Post #19 » by **SnakefromHell** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:38 am

LBJ TO BK 08, you are a typical player "stats" fan or a typical basketball video gamer... you'll take stats/ names over the basketball players making the right basketball plays.

There's no intimidation with Camby when he's anchored as the main defender. He's a help defender not a main defender. He gets tons of block shots because he never stays in front of his man. He actually purposely intentionally lets his man/ forward/ guard whatever position, get by him so he can block it from the side. If you're slow, then he will block your shots. But the Tony Parkers will take their chances if anyone lets them drive past.

I remember him receiving the DPOY award prior to Game 3 against the Spurs in 07... then in the same game, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili proceeded to open a lay-up drill all game long and mostly done on Camby... had you watched that game, and actually cared about the Nuggets, you wouldn't believe this was the guy who just held up the trophy just before the game and it's an award for the whole season. He provided so little resistance, it encouraged other Spurs to be aggressive. There was even one sequence where he could have blocked the shot but because he wasn't from the weakside, he did nothing.... NOTHING... didn't even put his hands up!!!

Camby intentionally lets players drive around him so he can block it from the side. He gets 3-4 blocks a game but he also surrenders about 6-7 layups and not defend the right way. If you don't defend the right way, not fill up the paint, it's going to encourage opposing players to even be more aggressive.

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But I hate to say, all his weaknesses will be covered in the Clippers. Because they have the main defender, Kaman... and Camby can now actually afford to let penetration drive around him because there's still Kaman waiting. With him being able to fully focus on shot blocking from the weak side, he will be very good.

As said before, he's a help defender and not a main defender. As a main defender, he sucks...

EMB6903 · Post #20 » by **EMB6903** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:39 am

SnakefromHell wrote:LBJ TO BK 08, you are a typical player "stats" fan or a typical basketball video gamer... you'll take stats/ names over the basketball players making the right basketball plays.

There's no intimidation with Camby when he's anchored as the main defender. He's a help defender not a main defender. He gets tons of block shots because he never stays in front of his man. He actually purposely intentionally lets his man/ forward/ guard whatever position, get by him so he can block it from the side. If you're slow, then he will block your shots. But the Tony Parkers will take their chances if anyone lets them drive past.

I remember him receiving the DPOY award prior to Game 3 against the Spurs in 07... then in the same game, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili proceeded to open a lay-up drill all game long and mostly done on Camby... had you watched that game, and actually cared about the Nuggets, you wouldn't believe this was the guy who just held up the trophy just before the game and it's an award for the whole season. He provided so little resistance, it encouraged other Spurs to be aggressive. There was even one sequence where he could have blocked the shot but because he wasn't from the weakside, he did nothing.... NOTHING... didn't even put his hands up!!!

Camby intentionally lets players drive around him so he can block it from the side. He gets 3-4 blocks a game but he also surrenders about 6-7 layups and not defend the right way. If you don't defend the right way, not fill up the paint, it's going to encourage opposing players to even be more aggressive.

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But I hate to say, all his weaknesses will be covered in the Clippers. Because they have the main defender, Kaman... and Camby can now actually afford to let penetration drive around him because there's still Kaman waiting. With him being able to fully focus on shot blocking from the weak side, he will be very good.

As said before, he's a help defender and not a main defender. As a main defender, he sucks...

couldnt have said it any better.....