Jarred Bayless Thread (Merged)

[joew8302]

This stuff about Bayless being a loser and not fitting is bull. He is a stud and will do well in the NBA. I completely agree with Artest here. We are not 1,2 or 3 players away from the title (unless those players are Garnett, Pierce and Allen). We are a subpar NBA team, so we should have taken the best guy available, which was a no brainer in Bayless. This was an incredibly dumb deal.

Are you serious? I totally respect almost all of your posts and i almost always agree with you, but on this subject, i just can't. I mean, i know down the road, i may agree with you, but for this? We've YET to see Brandon Rush play. The guy could be a stud. We are not the only team in the league to throw Bayliss away, teams who needed point guards drafted other options and even some teams who were rumored to draft a PG, didn't and passed up on this "stud".

He didn't fit our system. He could be a bust. He could be twice the player Rush is. To say that, and base it alot on the summer league play and not even see Rush play, isn't right.

Rush had incredible stats on a stacked team. I think that shows alot. The guy is a winner and a sharpshooter. And a great personality. The more i think about it, the more obvious it makes for us to get Rush instead of Bayliss. I think if there was no deal with Portland, we would have drafted Rush with the 11th, but we get Rush, and Jack.

Just like you said, it's a no brainer. For the Pacers. Although, with the Kings about to take Bayliss with the 12th pick, the deal was pretty smart for Portland as well.

First of all, thanks for the props. I am glad to see someone agrees with me sometimes, it shows one of two things. Either I am not insane, or you are just as insane as I am

But on to the issue. I have nothing against Brandon Rush. I think he will end up being a solid two guard in this league. Spectacular? No, but solid. I could see his production being similar to DeSwhan Stevenson. I really don't believe his ceiling is very high, but then again I highly doubt the guy will be a complete flop. I would have loved him at pick 11 IF Bayless was off the board. If it was between Rush and Augustine I would have liked Rush.

The reason I am so down on this is because of Bayless. I really think this guy will end up being a special player. He is similar to Monte Ellis with breakaway speed, very good size and strength and a nice jumper. I think he will be a guy that could score 20 a night and out rebound most guards. Yes he has things to work on, but so does everyone. Lastly, this kid is 19 years old. I don't see the Pacers legitimately competing for a title soon, so I thought he would have been a great piece to get and let develop.

Basically I think Bird REALLY screwed up and you think he did well. We will not figure out who is ultimaetly right for a few years. Hopefully Bayless turns out to be a bust and Rush becomes a superstar. I would love to be wrong on this one.

[cdash]

Bayless' numbers will always be better than his actual impact on the game if you ask me. I like Rush, and am anxious to see how he does for us. I think its silly to start making proclamations like we made a mistake trading Bayless, that he will be a great player, yada yada yada.

I will say one thing though--if Rush's production is only as good as DeShawn Stevenson's, I will be highly disappointed with him.

[Grang33r]

Bayless' numbers will always be better than his actual impact on the game if you ask me. I like Rush, and am anxious to see how he does for us. I think its silly to start making proclamations like we made a mistake trading Bayless, that he will be a great player, yada yada yada.

I will say one thing though--if Rush's production is only as good as DeShawn Stevenson's, I will be highly disappointed with him.

Same here. If he's a "DeShawn Stevenson" then he'll end up a bust. I expect more from him. I think he can be a great duo with Granger on this team, both are great citizens, he's a lights out shooter, defensivly he's above average, i mean, the guy is i think one of the most perfect fits to our team (now that we needed TJ Ford too). Ford is the type of PG Rush needs to succeed. I think Bird did great in that trade, but like i said, i think Portland will be happy with their end as well.

[Indy07]

Its Summer League. Take a step back, breathe and wait for the regular season before we make any irrational judgement on the deal. See how Rush fits in with our offense and see how Bayless fits in with theirs. Both will get similar amounts of playing time. Yes Bayless lit up summer league but so did Quincy Douby, Dahntay Jones and Dj Augustin.. Bayless won't be able to do what he did in SL during the regular season so its completely irrelevant.
1) He shot the ball more than any other player , averaging 17 attempts a game. He'll be lucky to get half of that during the regular season.
2) The Blazers are going to be more concerned about integrating Oden into the offense then Bayless so I expect the tempo to slow a bit.
3) Perimeter defense will be a lot stronger during the regular season, which leads me to believe that Bayless' ability to penetrate will be somewhat negated by better team defense, better perimeter defense and better players.
4) He won't have the ball in his hands every possession. He will be playing off the ball and whether that fits his style of play is to be determined.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

I appreciate all the intelligent posts. The only thing that concerns me is Rush and his so called "laid back approach'. I hope Rush becomes more aggressive than college, or that he only played that way because of the talent a Kansas. What I like about Bayless is that he has that fearolous streak in him that most great players have.

[23artest23]

The same thing concerns me. I often did not think he was even the best player on the Kansas squad and for me, it is hard to tell whether that was because he was laid back, played extreme team ball with the Kansas talent that I generally found overrated, or if we made a decision that is worse than I predict it to be. Hopefully I am predicting wrong but I am anxious to see him play as I imagine we all are.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

23Artest23.

I think we share the same thoughts on the subject. One thing I did like was in the press confrence OB said "we don't want them to "fit in", we want them to compete for starting jobs. To me, that means they expect Rush to step up and be assertive, so I hope OB rides him hard

[writerman]

Is anyone else more than a little tired of this obsession with a guy who, like Rush, has never played an NBA game?

I was TOTALLY unimpressed by his bored, almost irritated response when the Pacers to selected his majesty Mr. Bayless at number eleven. It was clear he thought he deserved better. His response to the nerws of the trade was clear irritation, as if he should be above such squalid dealings.

I thouught the idea was for us to get rid of bad attitude guys. I believe if we'd ended up with this kid we'd just have had another guy with attitude.

I'm more than satisfied with Rush. If there's anyone here who really thinks they could run the Pacers better than the current Pacer brass, go apply--but I think anyone here who thinks so is full of it.

Get used to it.Bayless isn't a Pacer, and I for one am glad of it.

[23artest23]

I hope that Rush was just playing into the team concept while at Kansas. I admittedly have not seen as many KS games as I have Pac10 games (specifically UCLA and Arizona) but from the games I have seen, he is obviously a talented player that seemed to not play up to the talent he appeared to have. I am probably one of the most vocal on my disappoint for dealing Bayless for Rush and Jack but I also look at the other end of the spectrum. Bird and Co. saw Rush workout personally while I have watched televised games. It truly may be that he is absurdly talented and did not mind playing the star or being the 4th/5th option. It just irks me that during some of the games I saw, he looked like he had a lot of talent yet did not mind playing far below the second fiddle. Based on what I have seen, he was fairly easily the best player on the KS team yet often did not demonstrate it. I also liked the fact the OB basically told Rush (Hibbert as well) that he won't settle for him just fitting in. I'd like to say that comment was meant for just Rush but I saw the same thing out of Hibbert. I will say though that I got the impression that Roy's guards at GT were ignorant not giving the ball to him more but I did not see a ton of GT games either so take it for what it is. I do hope that both come out gunning for starting jobs. In reality, I think the chances of Rush starting are extremely slim. I feel Roy to have a better chance but I would call that pretty slim too. I can't get over how slow he is getting up and down the court but being a full-time pro basketball player should help that. I'm pumped to see them perform because if either have progressed like Bayless appears to have, we could have quite the surprise on our hands.

[Wizenheimer]

Is anyone else more than a little tired of this obsession with a guy who, like Rush, has never played an NBA game?

I was TOTALLY unimpressed by his bored, almost irritated response when the Pacers to selected his majesty Mr. Bayless at number eleven. It was clear he thought he deserved better. His response to the nerws of the trade was clear irritation, as if he should be above such squalid dealings.

I thouught the idea was for us to get rid of bad attitude guys. I believe if we'd ended up with this kid we'd just have had another guy with attitude.

I'm more than satisfied with Rush. If there's anyone here who really thinks they could run the Pacers better than the current Pacer brass, go apply--but I think anyone here who thinks so is full of it.

Get used to it.Bayless isn't a Pacer, and I for one am glad of it.

you're not alone...all blazer fans are glad of it as well

[SinceClyde]

I see a lot of pacer fans trying to convince themselves that the trade was a good idea by actually naming all Bayless's faults (limited passing due to being the main option-hope to see it change and an on-off shot) while writing off the fact that he was amazing and consistent offensively.

I would have liked Rush as a blazer fan, but Bayless shouldn't have dropped beyond the 5th pick. Blazers had to deal with trading away chris paul/deron williams to get webster/jack and pacer fans will have to deal with this trade (on a smaller level-bayless is no deron or cp3 obviously).

I know it's early and summer league means nothing, but what I saw in the SL games isn't what I saw other players do; shoot well against mediocre defense. Bayless showed his cold veins just as much as his skill, and to me that's more telling.

On a positive, Jack is the man and Rush will still be good. Any team would like Rush's shooting amd Jack is a chemistry guy.

[Grang33r]

I see a lot of pacer fans trying to convince themselves that the trade was a good idea by actually naming all Bayless's faults (limited passing due to being the main option-hope to see it change and an on-off shot) while writing off the fact that he was amazing and consistent offensively.

I would have liked Rush as a blazer fan, but Bayless shouldn't have dropped beyond the 5th pick. Blazers had to deal with trading away chris paul/deron williams to get webster/jack and pacer fans will have to deal with this trade (on a smaller level-bayless is no deron or cp3 obviously).

I know it's early and summer league means nothing, but what I saw in the SL games isn't what I saw other players do; shoot well against mediocre defense. Bayless showed his cold veins just as much as his skill, and to me that's more telling.

On a positive, Jack is the man and Rush will still be good. Any team would like Rush's shooting amd Jack is a chemistry guy.

Theres no such thing as a for sure star. Bayless could turn into a massive bust and fall flat on his face, as could Rush.

I really like this trade by the Pacers, i personally never posted anything negative about Bayless however, reading expert opinions on drafted players, Bayless does need to work on quite a few areas before he can handle the NBA.

I think Portland will like their trade, but i also think we will also. Rush is going to become a fan favorite.