Ron Artest

[D21]

If Artest regrets to not opting-out, it means that he would have been ready to except a multi-year contract starting at the MLE, and if you sign this kind of contract, it's better to do it with a team being a contender.

So trading for Artest would certainly be a one-year rental, and the character could still be an issue (specially with rumors on Bibby/Artest not being what we called friends), even if the player would make this team better for sure.

Could make more sense to trade for Brand Miller (he doesn't have a too bad contract), but it would change our speed with Miller at 5 and Horford or Smith at 4.

[King Baller]

Thing is Artest is a one year rental and a headcase. Marvin is a 22 year old semi phenom with still very high potential. His head is sraight.

Two problems; salaries and the above mentioned. ATL would need something durable to off-set the rental of Artest.

Zaza is the only salary we can add. that adds up to Artest's salary, but ATL needs more. Thompson might get it done. Might take more.

How long is Williams signed for? Who else on the Hawks roster could be traded for Artest? I like Artest on the Kings but it seems like a trade is inevitable. If Ron is traded I prefer it be to an Eastern Conference team so we only see him twice a year.

If Ron had been defending on Pierce the C's may have not made it out of the first round

KB

[jagstang76]

[quote="kingsfan10"]Oh, I see. He seems a good young player. Considering that he is only 22 yrs old. I could see why you say that. But the only I disagree about your analysis is about the ability of shooting the 3. He has career percentage of 23.2 % This year he is ONLY 10 % on 3s. He only attempted 10 3s and only made 1 this year. Im not sure what ability he has on 3s like you said. But he has a nice looking stroke though. Probably in the near future he might develop a 3 point game. You never know. But now, he shouldn't attempt a 3.

What do you mean that "Sure, he can hurt you on the other end, but he's not much more of a scorer than Marvin will be some day."? Artest is a 20 point scorer. He has the inside-out game. Thus creating mismatches to players. There is a misconception about Artest "hurting" us in the offensive end. Artest was our focal point of offense. Thus, he was the #1 option for our team. Our offensive system was based on Artest. Giving the ball to the post and let him score. If not, he passes to the open man if doubled. True, Artest can take bad shots. To tell you the truth, he takes around 2-3 bad ill-advice shots per game. But he has the ability (could) make those high difficulty shots. He is averaging 45.3 % And 38 % 3s (Taking 3.9 3s per game) He is one of the best 2 way players that the league has today. So yeah, I don't know if Marvin could be that dominant scorer as Artest today. I don't know. Just an opinion. Probably he will. Not sure. Time will tell.[/quote]

Sorry, I don't think I was very clear on either point. Marvin does have the potential, because he has a great shooting form, to be a solid 3pt shooter. He currently doesn't shoot the 3pt because he must not feel that he's developed it enough to use it consistently. I have two reasons why I feel I can say this. First, much of the shots he does take and make are a step inside the line. It doesn't seem like much of a transition to develop the 3pt range when your hitting them right in front. Also, I remember with Smoove's development of his 3pt (not that he's got it down), Woody had him stop shooting from out there and start stepping up for an easier 2. So, I guess there's a chance he will never develop his 3pt shot, but it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't try.

I also agree that Artest is a very solid scorer. What I was attempting to convey with the comparison is that Marvin has the ability to EVENTUALLY be as good a scorer as Artest. That effects whether the Hawks would be willing to trade him. Would they be ok with giving up his long-term ability to score for what Artest brings now? My inclination is they probably won't give up on their plan to build with youth instead of quick fixes. However, they might be breaking out of that mold as they did go after Bibby while giving up on Sheldon Williams.

[dms269]

Artest would be solid, but I'm not sure about having to big egos in Smith and Artest on the same team.

[jagstang76]

Now that Chill is gone, it seems almost imperative that we find a way to upgrade this team. I don't know how we could get him exactly, but I think Artest now becomes a more viable target. Do you think we could trade the right to Chill (like an expiring contract) to SAC for Artest and something else? It would be like sending them a trade exception where they could immediately renounce Chill's rights to clear up cap space.

[killbuckner]

You can't trade the rights to Childress. It would have to be a S&T.