OT: TDK

[Joselo16]

This movies was awesome. Its sucks that Heath won't be able to reprise "The Joker" role because he was phenomenal, he was a psychotic, mass murdering clown with a plan. The overall story was amazing.

The Joker had many great sequences like being dressed in a Nurse outfit messing around with a detonator outside the hospital, but the best one was the magic trick bit (mob boss meeting).

[daveisceltics]

Movie of the year, easily.
Best super hero movie ever even.
I felt like I was watching The Untouchables.

[campybatman]

Overall, I didn't like Scarecrow in either Nolan films. Murphy was fine... I just think he [Scarecrow] deserves his own top billing in a film. He's a super villain like The Joker. So, treat him as such.

Too bad neither one of these came into fruition.

The Scarecrow was originally going to appear in two canceled Batman projects that would have taken place after Batman & Robin. In both projects, Batman Triumphant and Batman: DarKnight he was the main villain. However, due to Batman and Robin's film's poor box office performance, Batman Triumphant never came to fruition, nor did Batman: DarKnight. Howard Stern, Ewan McGregor, Steve Buscemi, Nicolas Cage, Jeff Goldblum and Christopher Lloyd were considered for the role in Triumphant.

Batman Triumphant

Warner Bros. hired Mark Protosevich to write a script for the fifth Batman film, titled Batman Triumphant, even before the theatrical release of Batman & Robin. Joel Schumacher, George Clooney, and Chris O’Donnell were still contracted for another film. The Scarecrow was to be the main villain and through the use of his fear gas, Scarecrow would cause Batman to confront his worst fear: the return of The Joker.

Batman: DarKnight

In 1998, Lee Shapiro and Stephen Wise pitched the idea for a fifth Batman movie to Warner Bros. Vice President Tom Lassally. It was to be called Batman: DarKnight (not to be confused with The Dark Knight) and included the Scarecrow and Man-Bat as the new villains, with the studio being most impressed with the characterization of Man-Bat. Fear was to be the initial theme (much like the main one for Batman Begins) and according to Shapiro, with Scarecrow being true to the source material.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarecrow_ ... cs%29#Film

[PPAW4Life]

I watched it early Friday, and it is a very good film, great in fact. There were great performances by many actors, most notably Heath Ledger of course, and Aaron Eckhart's take on Harvey Dent was awesome...and his Two Face was pretty darn frightening too. SPOILERS AHEAD!!!












One thing I was confused about was that wasn't Two Face's hatred reserved for Batman because Batman caused his disfigurement? It seems that Nolan's version of Two Face is that the hatred is stemming from the loss of his beloved Rachael.



Overall, it is a film that examines multiple characters' morality, principles, and codes of lives. It is also a film that examines the character of Gotham City and its own people. Chris Nolan did a lot of things here in this film and it is no wonder it has a longer than normal run time, there's just a boat load of things going on and one viewing is not enough....IMO.

I plan on going to watch it a 2nd time to fully experience this film's greatness.

[campybatman]

One thing I was confused about was that wasn't Two Face's hatred reserved for Batman because Batman caused his disfigurement? It seems that Nolan's version of Two Face is that the hatred is stemming from the loss of his beloved Rachael.

You've to keep in mind that the director and or writer(s) aren't going to always stick to the source material. For example, in the comics, it's different, Two-Face gets his left side of his face and hand damaged from having acid thrown in his face and not the falling face down onto oil and then fire burning it. Anyways, a lot of changes were made with just his character alone. Google Two-Face and read around. You'll be surprised how many details were changed with him for the film.

[Dirty Water]

Very Good movie. Just about lived up to the hype for me. Heath Ledger's joker was so awesome. I was giggling in my seat with any scene with him in it. Nobody else in the theater was... why? Cynical humor I guess. Ledger did amazing with portraying him, I felt like I knew exactly what the Joker was thinking the entire movie. But overall, too much Harvey Dent/Two Face.

Acting: Ledger A+, Bale A-, (whoever played harvey dent name escapes me) B-
Plot: A little complex with so many villains AKA batman lookalikes, scarecrow, joker, two-face, few different mob boss leaders, etc. I'll give it a B
Visuals: B+
Action Scenes: B+

Overall I give it an A-.

I hate to say it but... I liked Batman Begins better. There I said it. Simpler, clearer, even a little more phylosophical (if that's possible why maintains simplicity) HOWEVER, TDK definitely did not disappoint me in any shape or form though. Best movie I've seen in the theaters in years.

[PPAW4Life]

One thing I was confused about was that wasn't Two Face's hatred reserved for Batman because Batman caused his disfigurement? It seems that Nolan's version of Two Face is that the hatred is stemming from the loss of his beloved Rachael.

You've to keep in mind that the director and or writer(s) aren't going to always stick to the source material. For example, in the comics, it's different, Two-Face gets his left side of his face and hand damaged from having acid thrown in his face and not the falling face down onto oil and then fire burning it. Anyways, a lot of changes were made with just his character alone. Google Two-Face and read around. You'll be surprised how many details were changed with him for the film.

Thanks for the clarification!

[PPAW4Life]

I hate to say it but... I liked Batman Begins better.

I liked Batman Begins better as well, though I feel that TDK is the better movie, overall. Both are great films.

[Joselo16]

Begins was great but I find TDK more memorable movie (It could just be the Mr J factor), Idk I just liked how they explored all of the characters ideals and morals and how each one responded when they were being forced to go against them by the Clown Prince of Crime ( ie Batman no killing rule). Great movie!!!

Best Line "We are destined to do this forever!!!"

[campybatman]

I actually, watched BB again prior to going out to see TDK and I feel differently. I'd thought TDK was way better overall. I like BB for the back story of Bruce Wayne. The storyline of his initial fear of bats was good. But, I can't say it left the same kind of impression on me as TDK did this year. TDK I would pay to see again while BB I could wait and watch again at home. The one aspect of TDK that irked me was the love triangle between Bruce, Rachel and Harvey. I mean Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't beautiful as The Joker says in the film. She looks like Chucky or Howdy Doody, in my opinion. That disturbed me every time she would appear on screen. I'd felt uncomfortable, wanting to laugh because I was thinking: Am I the only one who doesn't find her attractive? Surely, these characters (actors) can see this too. Anyways, I did feel bad for Bruce since he was unaware of the letter Rachael left with Alfred to give to him.

I like the was that Nolan did his best to give all the main cast their fair share of screen time. And he didn't overdo it with The Joker. That is to say, he didn't have to be in every scene. But, I hope Nolan doesn't hire Michael Jai White again. Man, he's an awful actor. I knew this... But, yikes! And I thought he was bad in Spawn.

[Dirty Water]

I actually, watched BB again prior to going out to see TDK and I feel differently. I'd thought TDK was way better overall. I like BB for the back story of Bruce Wayne. The storyline of his initial fear of bats was good. But, I can't say it left the same kind of impression on me as TDK did this year. TDK I would pay to see again while BB I could wait and watch again at home. The one aspect of TDK that irked me was the love triangle between Bruce, Rachel and Harvey. I mean Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't beautiful as The Joker says in the film. She looks like Chucky or Howdy Doody, in my opinion. That disturbed me every time she would appear on screen. I'd felt uncomfortable, wanting to laugh because I was thinking: Am I the only one who doesn't find her attractive? Surely, these characters (actors) can see this too. Anyways, I did feel bad for Bruce since he was unaware of the letter Rachael left with Alfred to give to him.

I like the was that Nolan did his best to give all the main cast their fair share of screen time. And he didn't overdo it with The Joker. That is to say, he didn't have to be in every scene. But, I hope Nolan doesn't hire Michael Jai White again. Man, he's an awful actor. I knew this... But, yikes! And I thought he was bad in Spawn.

You can't tell me you wouldn't do Maggie Gyllenhaal if that chance presented itself.

She was good in Donnie Darko and Stranger than Fiction. Cmon.

[campybatman]

Well, I'm still emotionally scarred from seeing Maggie nude in The Secretary.

[Celtics_Champs]

I actually, watched BB again prior to going out to see TDK and I feel differently. I'd thought TDK was way better overall. I like BB for the back story of Bruce Wayne. The storyline of his initial fear of bats was good. But, I can't say it left the same kind of impression on me as TDK did this year. TDK I would pay to see again while BB I could wait and watch again at home. The one aspect of TDK that irked me was the love triangle between Bruce, Rachel and Harvey. I mean Maggie Gyllenhaal isn't beautiful as The Joker says in the film. She looks like Chucky or Howdy Doody, in my opinion. That disturbed me every time she would appear on screen. I'd felt uncomfortable, wanting to laugh because I was thinking: Am I the only one who doesn't find her attractive? Surely, these characters (actors) can see this too. Anyways, I did feel bad for Bruce since he was unaware of the letter Rachael left with Alfred to give to him.

I like the was that Nolan did his best to give all the main cast their fair share of screen time. And he didn't overdo it with The Joker. That is to say, he didn't have to be in every scene. But, I hope Nolan doesn't hire Michael Jai White again. Man, he's an awful actor. I knew this... But, yikes! And I thought he was bad in Spawn.

You can't tell me you wouldn't do Maggie Gyllenhaal if that chance presented itself.

She was good in Donnie Darko and Stranger than Fiction. Cmon.

She is alright. She wasn't even bad in this movie. But they could have picked better eye candy.