Bostjan Nachbar Returning to Europe

BillessuR6 · Post #41 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:21 am

Induveca wrote:The deal is worth US$14.3 million over 3 years....

Confirmed announced at 9 million euros for 3 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3497994

Lakers_4_Life strikes out again. At least he got the first two numbers right, just in the wrong order.

These reports are worong. He got 18 million € for 3 years not 9 million. It was confirmed by Nachbar and his dad.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #42 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:29 am

Serpo wrote:No team besides the Russian teams have that much money to offer .

You can't be serious?

Real Madrid (Spain) if they wanted to
FC Barcelona (Spain) if they wanted to
TAU (Spain) if they wanted to
Panathinaikos (Greece)
Olympiacos (Greece)

Not to mention the two big Turkish clubs if it meant something to them, which right now they just don't have that sort of competition going there with their owners.

The two Greek giants Panathinaikos and Olympiacos could pay more than any Russian team if they wanted to. Olympiacos' owners are planning on building a 250 million euros (about $400 million) stadium and funding it entirely by themselves. Show me a US sports owner that would do something like that. From the US side everyone is just so unaware it seems of the money of the big teams in Europe.

I find this whole thing an indictment of the US educational system. The average sports fan in the US seems to be totally unaware that any other country on earth has money. It's downright disturbing.

Captain_Morgan · Post #43 » by **Captain_Morgan** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:29 am

thebirdman wrote:
Induveca wrote:The deal is worth US$14.3 million over 3 years....

Confirmed announced at 9 million euros for 3 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3497994

Lakers_4_Life strikes out again. At least he got the first two numbers right, just in the wrong order.

These reports are worong. He got 18 million € for 3 years not 9 million. It was confirmed by Nachbar and his dad.

OMG? He's dad???

Lakers_4_Life · Post #44 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:32 am

ElTurco wrote:41 million? lol.

why this laker guy keep tripling players salaries boggles my mind

Yeah European TV, Nachbar himself, the team that signed him, his agent, Slovenian sports media, European press releases and news agencies...........hmm they ALL stated $41 million.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #45 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:35 am

Whateva wrote:failed ?? I would say they are better player than 50% of the players in the league.

Navarro was one of the best rookies this season, but he had to return to Europe because his salary in the NBA was crap.

"Failed NBA player" is code word for what any US NBA fan calls any European basketball player that is not in the NBA. Of course their same code word for ANY American player not in the NBA is "overseas superstar".

Just ignore that kind of nonsense, it's laughable at best.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #46 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:39 am

ElTurco wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
ElTurco wrote:41 million? lol.

why this laker guy keep tripling players salaries boggles my mind

This time he actually got it right. Nachbar's father confirmed it.

Nachbar has agreed to a three-year contract with Dynamo Moscow, a deal that will pay the former New Jersey Nets small forward $14.3 million, he told ESPN.com early Monday.

unless i am reading this wrong, he, himself confirmed that it is 14.3 million $.

And he told everyone in Europe and so did his TEAM (with official confirmations through the league and everything so actually TRUE) and agent that they printed it WRONG. It should be 41, not 14, but those idiots transversed the number. He wouldn't be leaving the NBA for $14 million.

Actually they probably did it on purpose just so every American NBA fan keep living in denial that this trend is happening.

He signed for 6 million euros NET salary. If you think that is $14 million US dollars gross then what can anyone even do to have this discussion with you rationally?

BillessuR6 · Post #47 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:40 am

Captain_Morgan wrote:OMG? He's dad???

Yes. He is his adviser, so he is one of the few people who know the actual numbers...I guess you are not as close with your daddy as Nachbar is with his...

Lakers_4_Life · Post #48 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:42 am

Induveca wrote:The deal is worth US$14.3 million over 3 years....

Confirmed announced at 9 million euros for 3 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3497994

Lakers_4_Life strikes out again. At least he got the first two numbers right, just in the wrong order.

This is getting pathetic.

ESPN posted the wrong salary. Now let me guess since EVERYWHERE in Europe is reporting $41 million, but hey ESPN made a mistake which Nachbar HIMSELF stated on TV and now let me guess the mods will lock this thread.

You guys are going to have to actually start proving what you are claiming because everyone in Europe knows it is pure BS and lies and I don't think the site can just keep allowing that to continue.

Captain_Morgan · Post #49 » by **Captain_Morgan** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:47 am

thebirdman wrote:
Captain_Morgan wrote:OMG? He's dad???

Yes. He is his adviser, so he is one of the few people who know the actual numbers...I guess you are not as close with your daddy as Nachbar is with his...

No, I'm not close to my dad at all.

Genjuro · Post #50 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:57 am

Lakers_4_Life wrote:
Serpo wrote:No team besides the Russian teams have that much money to offer .

You can't be serious?

Real Madrid (Spain) if they wanted to
FC Barcelona (Spain) if they wanted to
TAU (Spain) if they wanted to
Panathinaikos (Greece)
Olympiacos (Greece)

TAU doesn't have that much money. This is problably the lonely European top club that actually earns most of the money they spend, as they don't have any billionare owner throwing away money. TAU might eventually reach a 2 million euro net contract for some very specific player -although I'm not so sure about it-, certainly not for guys such as Nachbar, Davis, Childress or Delfino. And of course, they can't nowhere near pay what these guys are getting in Greece/Russia.

As for Real Madrid and F.C.Barcelona, they could potentially pay it, using the soccer money. The basketball sections already use soccer money, but that much would be pushing it too far, and the soccer fans would likely be upset seeing their money spent so lightly on basketball. Actually, F.C.Barcelona has tried to sign Jasikevicius, and despite the fact that the Lithuanian was willing to give up some money from what he's making with Panathinaikos, they couldn't reach an agreement. These two teams won't reach a 3 million euros net mark anytime soon.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #51 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:15 am

Genjuro wrote:
Lakers_4_Life wrote:
Serpo wrote:No team besides the Russian teams have that much money to offer .

You can't be serious?

Real Madrid (Spain) if they wanted to
FC Barcelona (Spain) if they wanted to
TAU (Spain) if they wanted to
Panathinaikos (Greece)
Olympiacos (Greece)

TAU doesn't have that much money. This is problably the lonely European top club that actually earns most of the money they spend, as they don't have any billionare owner throwing away money. TAU might eventually reach a 2 million euro net contract for some very specific player -although I'm not so sure about it-, certainly not for guys such as Nachbar, Davis, Childress or Delfino. And of course, they can't nowhere near pay what these guys are getting in Greece/Russia.

As for Real Madrid and F.C.Barcelona, they could potentially pay it, using the soccer money. The basketball sections already use soccer money, but that much would be pushing it too far, and the soccer fans would likely be upset seeing their money spent so lightly on basketball. Actually, F.C.Barcelona has tried to sign Jasikevicius, and despite the fact that the Lithuanian was willing to give up some money from what he's making with Panathinaikos, they couldn't reach an agreement. These two teams won't reach a 3 million euros net mark anytime soon.

TAU was offering Scola 15 million euros before he left. So I don't think you are right on this. The difference is a team like Khimki or Olympiacos is willing to spend it on a lot different types of players, where a team like TAU would only spend it on a very specific player like in Scola's level and rep in Spain and having played on the team for a long time.

Genjuro · Post #52 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:53 am

Lakers_4_Life wrote:TAU was offering Scola 15 million euros before he left. So I don't think you are right on this. The difference is a team like Khimki or Olympiacos is willing to spend it on a lot different types of players, where a team like TAU would only spend it on a very specific player like in Scola's level and rep in Spain and having played on the team for a long time.

I just don't believe it.

They were offering him, I think in 2006, to extend his contract until 2011 (his contract ended in 2008), so it would have been 5 years remaining for him. The 15 million euros could get close to the truth only considering the whole 5 years and gross money.

Do you have any link?

repLicante · Post #53 » by **repLicante** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:21 am

Laker4_Life, I guess you overestimate TAU finances.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #54 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:41 am

Genjuro wrote:
Lakers_4_Life wrote:TAU was offering Scola 15 million euros before he left. So I don't think you are right on this. The difference is a team like Khimki or Olympiacos is willing to spend it on a lot different types of players, where a team like TAU would only spend it on a very specific player like in Scola's level and rep in Spain and having played on the team for a long time.

I just don't believe it.

They were offering him, I think in 2006, to extend his contract until 2011 (his contract ended in 2008), so it would have been 5 years remaining for him. The 15 million euros could get close to the truth only considering the whole 5 years and gross money.

Do you have any link?

From 2 years ago we won't be getting links on Spanish websites about contract talks with Scola. But I remember very well that he was being offered 5 years 15 million euros by TAU. Your point I understand completely and you are right, TAU would not offer this kind of money to a player just from the NBA or whatever like say Dynamo and Khimki are.

They would only offer it in a very certain specific case of a long time franchise player like Scola to keep him. But the point I am trying to make is that it is wrong to just state things like they could not afford to do it.

Actually they could afford to do it. But yes it's a lot different than a team like Olympiacos or Khimki that is just throwing around huge money at any player they can get. TAU would not do that. I'm just trying to point out that saying they can't afford to pay ANY player that is wrong. They can and would, it's just they would only give it to a long time franchise player.

So yes there's a big difference, but it still isn't the same thing as saying that no player would ever get it from TAU. For example, if Splitter kept developing and getting better, he would get it from TAU when his next contract came up, especially if they thought he would go to the Spurs.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #55 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:43 am

repLicante wrote:Laker4_Life, I guess you overestimate TAU finances.

TAU's current budget is $32 million. And if Scola had stayed it would be a lot higher than that. I'm not overestimating anything.

Genjuro · Post #56 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:56 am

Lakers_4_Life wrote:For example, if Splitter kept developing and getting better, he would get it from TAU when his next contract came up, especially if they thought he would go to the Spurs.

Splitter has already signed a new contract this summer. I believe it's somewhere in the 1 to 2 million euros net range, but no amount has been voiced.

I'm not surprised that you can't find a link because TAU contract amounts are rarely published. Sorry, but I still don't believe a 15 million euros net offer, and I would certainly remember it if I had heard/read it by that time.

Lakers_4_Life · Post #57 » by **Lakers_4_Life** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:11 am

Genjuro wrote:
Lakers_4_Life wrote:For example, if Splitter kept developing and getting better, he would get it from TAU when his next contract came up, especially if they thought he would go to the Spurs.

Splitter has already signed a new contract this summer. I believe it's somewhere in the 1 to 2 million euros net range, but no amount has been voiced.

I'm not surprised that you can't find a link because TAU contract amounts are rarely published. Sorry, but I still don't believe a 15 million euros net offer, and I would certainly remember it if I had heard/read it by that time.

I said Splitter would get it in his NEXT CONTRACT (meaning the one AFTER the one he just signed) if he kept improving. And BTW, Splitter's current contract pays him 8 times what the Spurs could under the NBA rookie scale according to the Spurs themselves and San Antonio media.

Look, it doesn't even matter about Scola. TAU has a current team payroll of $32 million. And you are telling me that there is no way they could pay a player $4.8 million? I am sorry, but YES, if they wanted to, again I am only saying IF THEY WANTED TO, they could pay one player roughly 1/7th of their payroll budget.

I don't see how you can argue that. Why would they not be able to IF THEY WANTED to pay roughly 1/7th of their payroll to one player? $4.8 million out of $32 million total. There is nothing impossible about them paying that salary at all.

Genjuro · Post #58 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:28 am

Lakers_4_Life wrote:I don't see how you can argue that. Why would they not be able to IF THEY WANTED to pay roughly 1/7th of their payroll to one player? $4.8 million out of $32 million total. There is nothing impossible about them paying that salary at all.

$32 million budget, not payroll. Much less, net payroll.

Whateva · Post #59 » by **Whateva** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:04 pm

And what about Navarro ?? In FC Barcelona he'll get 2€ millions Euros per season. Thats almost the same Delfino salary in Russia

Genjuro · Post #60 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:40 pm

Whateva wrote:And what about Navarro ?? In FC Barcelona he'll get 2€ millions Euros per season. Thats almost the same Delfino salary in Russia

Just what I've said: Real Madrid and FC Barcelona could reach the 2 million mark, but not the 3 million. Navarro is that kind of superspecial player for Barcelona to make that effort (in my opinion, they have overpaid him considering his situation, that would had forced him to sign for a lot less money well into the summer).