Okafor Trade Thread - Post All Ideas Here

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Trade proposal from the Chicago Bulls:

CHARLOTTE SENDS:

PF Emeka Okafor, resigned for 65M over 5 years, salary: 13.0M

CHARLOTTE RECIEVES:

SG Ben Gordon, resigned for 30M over 3 years, salary: 10.0M | PG Kirk Hinrich, salary: 10.0M
C Joakim Noah, salary: 2.3M
PF Cedric Simmons, salary: 1.7M

CHARLOTTE in: 14.0M

CHARLOTTE out: 13.0M

Charlotte sends away a player who is on his way out already, and nets a young promising 7 footer in Noah who was, along with Thabo, the lone bright spot on the Bulls disappointing last season. They also get a project former lottery pick in Cedric Simmons who could be groomed into a serviceable backup power forward/center. They then get the choice of scoring machine and shooter Ben Gordon on a short term deal, or level headed veteran point guard (or combo guard) who looks to burst out of his current slump in Kirk Hinrich.

Chicago sends two starters out, and either keeps Hinrich or Gordon as the off guard to rookie point guard Derrick Rose. Simmons would get no burn behind the likes of Noah, Thomas, Gooden and Gray, and the hole left behind from the trading of Joakim Noah is filled by the returning Emeka Okafor.

Possible depth charts:

CHARLOTTE

C - Joakim Noah | Nazr Mohammed | Alexis Ajinca
PF - Sean May | Cedric Simmons | Jermareo Davidson
SF - Gerald Wallace | Adam Morrison | Jared Dudley
SG - Jason Richardson | Ben Gordon | Matt Carroll
PG - DJ Augustin | Raymond Felton

C - Joakim Noah | Nazr Mohammed | Alexis Ajinca
PF - Sean May | Cedric Simmons | Jermareo Davidson
SF - Gerald Wallace | Adam Morrison | Jared Dudley
SG - Jason Richardson | Raymond Felton | Matt Carroll
PG - Kirk Hinrich | DJ Augustin

CHICAGO

C - Emeka Okafor | Aaron Gray
PF - Drew Gooden | Tyrus Thomas
SF - Luol Deng | Andres Nocioni | Demetris Nichols
SG - Ben Gordon | Thabo Sefolosha | Larry Hughes
PG - Derrick Rose | JamesOn Curry

C - Emeka Okafor | Aaron Gray
PF - Drew Gooden | Tyrus Thomas
SF - Luol Deng | Andres Nocioni | Demetris Nichols
SG - Kirk Hinrich | Thabo Sefolosha | Larry Hughes
PG - Derrick Rose | JamesOn Curry

[aznjustice14]

i wouldnt do it. our team doesn't need another small guard such as gordon or hinrich. we have enough at that position already with felton, augustin, richardson, and carroll. noah in my opinion would not fill our hole in the frontcourt either since he is more of an energy guy in my view than a consistently solid contributor like how okafor was for us. if anything, deng would need to be included in the S&T since he would at least be a forward and would give us the value at a decent size (6'9 compared to okafor's 6'10)

[MattD]

nope, but thats a personal preference. I have never been wild about many of the bulls players, and putting in Noah and Hinrich or Gordon doesnt do much for me. We have enough wings, and our PG spot is improving, no need to bring in a really high salary player at PG just yet.

[Felton for Pres]

I was thinking about this this morning. I really don't want to lose Okafor, but if we're going to do a trade, I think the Bulls make the most sense.

Personally, I'd rather have Deng then Gordon. I like Hinrich but not sure we need him. Let's say he's part of the deal, I'd want to try to trade GW and either Hinrich or Felton away for a big who can score.

There are a lot of interesting scenarios with the Bulls. I kinda like Thomas too.

[spectre_]

This is pretty complicated (for me anyway) and if someone could double-check I'd appreciate it, because if this is correct it will seriousy affect what we can do in a S&T.

Both Mek & Gordon would be BYC, so in this scenario from our POV we'd be sending out 13.0 but can only take back 6.5.

Bobcats out: 6.5 million.
Bobcats in: 14 million.

This would also put our salary at around 64 million bucks.

Chicago out: 9 million
Chicago in: 13 million

Works for neither team under the CBA.

We're at 50 million not including Mek at all, so we only have like 8 million to work with. If I'm reading this correctly we can at most take 8 million back in trade which only equals to approx 10 million for Mek's new salary (X 125% + 100k).

I'm thinking either 1) 3 team trade with one having a TE or capspace 2) teams under the cap 3) a team with a TE or 4) a BIG trade with multiple players.

[Sledge]

I wouldn't even consider a deal with the Bulls that wouldn't include Deng. Getting Deng signed long term would allow us to possibly trade out GWallace for a PF like Odom or something in that nature. Getting Noah or some other prospect along with Deng would go alright by me.

If it was Deng + Hinrich, then it makes Felton and Wallace expendable, giving us some real options to get a good big too.

[Felton for Pres]

This is pretty complicated (for me anyway) and if someone could double-check I'd appreciate it, because if this is correct it will seriousy affect what we can do in a S&T.

Both Mek & Gordon would be BYC, so in this scenario from our POV we'd be sending out 13.0 but can only take back 6.5.

Bobcats out: 6.5 million.
Bobcats in: 14 million.

This would also put our salary at around 64 million bucks.

Chicago out: 9 million
Chicago in: 13 million

Works for neither team under the CBA.

We're at 50 million not including Mek at all, so we only have like 8 million to work with. If I'm reading this correctly we can at most take 8 million back in trade which only equals to approx 10 million for Mek's new salary (X 125% + 100k).

I'm thinking either 1) 3 team trade with one having a TE or capspace 2) teams under the cap 3) a team with a TE or 4) a BIG trade with multiple players.

I still think you should have a job in our front office. How do we make that happen?

[aznjustice14]

with all this complications due to BYC for both okafor and deng. is it possible to make up the difference in cash considerations?

[blackham9258]

You get an All*Star Center, and an up and coming SG/SF who is long, and athletic. I would be willing to send you Okur and Brewer or Korver or Harpring or Millsap if necessary, but that would require you to send back May.

Would you guys do this deal, and who would be the extra player that you want?

Your Choices:

Brewer
Korver
Harpring
Milsap-includes swap of May.

Make your deal, and let us know if this is a good deal for you all.

[pondin]

seriously ... NOAH?
he got schooled by the rookie Beasley! Didn't he get suspended by the team for being disrespectful to his teammates or something like that??? and he ain't even that good! forget it!
Gordon??? the greedy SOB? he got offered 10mil last year for a BENCH player and he REJECTED IT???
C'MON! why do we want these guys again?

Even the jazz trade (not including Boozer) for Millsap and Okur is still much better. We are getting a hustle player and a good rebounder in Millsap, and we add another shooter in Okur which pretty much solves our shooting issue with Wallace in the starting lineup as a SF.

Okafor is starting to act like a b!tch if he wont accept the 10M/yr offer! Please... give me a straight up swap with Kaman (roughly 10.5Mil avg over the next 4 yrs)! at least Kaman got some offensive moves!

Can we start a "OKAFOR the ungrateful SOB" thread?

[freakon0mics]

I was wondering if this team can do a sign and trade for Luol Deng. Since talks with him and the Bulls are looking like its at a stalemate.

[Yoshi2kx]

The bobcats don't need more wing players, and they certainly don't need soft centers like Okur, even though everytime he's mentioned in a trade proposal related to getting Okafor he's mentioned like he's an "all-star" How much potential does Brewer honestly have? not much. Korver? They already have Matt Carroll, Milsap? Jared Dudley is most likely going to be a carbon copy, they just aren't good trading partners at all IMO

[Getjazz]

If the Jazz have any hope of landing Okafor, Boozer would have to be sent in return. Okur wouldn't cut it.

[Rich4114]

Yes, if you're talking Okafor then Boozer needs to be coming our way.

[BlaZeN27]

Not sure how much you guys would like this trade idea, but I posted this on the Heat board an figured I would post it on here. At the least, it should help some understand the effects of Emeka Okafor being a BYC player should have, and how it effects trading him.



Udonis Haslem (6.6)
Shawn Marion (17.8)
Daquan Cook (1.2)
2010 1st Round Draft Pick (Unprotected)

For

Raymond Felton (4.1)
Emeka Okafor (14.6)
Derrick Anderson (2.5)
Nazr Mohammed (6.0)
Jeff McInnis (1.4)


Miami Heat

Outgoing: 25.6 million
Incoming: 28.6 million

Charlotte Bobcats

Outgoing: 21.3 million
Incoming: 25.6 million

21.3 + 125% = 26.62 million



This trade works financially, even with the confusion of Emeka being a BYC player. All that pretty much means is his full salary (14.6 million, the most he can make in his first year of his new deal) counts as incoming dollars for us, but only 50% (7.3 million) of it counts as outgoing salary for the Bobcats. In the deal above this means the max amount of dollars that the Bobcats can take in is 26.62 million, not 35.75 million (the amount they could take in if Emeka's salary counted as 100% of outgoing salary instead of 50%).

In order for this deal to work two things would have to happen.

1.) We would have to agree on signing Emeka Okafor to a deal that is front loaded, where it starts off as the maximum amount aloud (14.6 million), and decreases by 10.5% each year. Here is an idea of how his contract would look if we signed him to 6 years...

Year 1: 14.6
Year 2: 13.0
Year 3: 11.6
Year 4: 10.3
Year 5: 10.3 (ETO)
Year 6: 10.3 (ETO)

So its pretty much a 6 year deal worth 70 million, that averages 11.68 million a year with two ETO's in the final two years of the deal. Not to mention the fact that he will only be making 11.6 million in the ever so popular 2010 season. I think a 6 year, 70 million dollar contract is fair for both sides.


2.) The Bobcats would have to use there Bird Rights for Derrick Anderson and Jeff McInnis. Signing each player to a one year deal, 2.5 million for Anderson, and 1.4 million for McInnis. Charlotte wouldn't care because they wouldn't be paying these guys, we would, and we can just cut them if we want to.

[aznjustice14]

we dont even have mcinnis anymore
and i doubt they'd sign anderson just to do this trade...

we'd also probably not do this cuz we'd be losing size. we dont lose rebounding per say...be we definitely lost our two biggest contributing big guys for two PFs one of which is a undersized one

[BlaZeN27]

we dont even have mcinnis anymore
and i doubt they'd sign anderson just to do this trade...

we'd also probably not do this cuz we'd be losing size. we dont lose rebounding per say...be we definitely lost our two biggest contributing big guys for two PFs one of which is a undersized one

Well yah, then you guys would have to sign Derrick Anderson to a 1 year, 4 million dollar a year contract. Why wouldn't they? The Heat pay his contract, not you guys.

Yah, thats the largest thing in this trade. And its not like we have any bigs that we could pass along to them, maybe Joel Anthony? I know some people will be like "who?", but he might be a solid backup center. You should be able to see him play Friday against the USA (hes on the Canada National Team).

The other thought is either trading Wallace for a center (if they really wanted to blow it up), or use the MLE for a big man.

Might be a little unrealistic but what about turning around and trading Crash for Camby (yes, Camby can be traded even though he was just traded)? I'm pretty sure the Clippers would consider that deal, and it gives you guys a solid line up with a tone of flexibility for 2010...

DJ/J-Rich/Marion/Haslem/Camby

[Sledge]

Camby was just had for a 2nd round pick. Trading Crash for him just doesn't feel right. Wouldn't even consider it, namely because this trade just isn't good in my opinion.

Wait let me get this one straight - Okafor for Marion/Haslem isn't exactly that great a deal, but suddenly us throwing in Felton, Nazzy (our only real serviceable big man), Anderson, and McInnis for Cook and 1st make it even. Man, lay down the pipe. You aren't even close.

What big do we exactly get in return? Haslem? Yeah right. This trade is a joke from value standards. All you did was rob us of Felton while you were doing a trade.

The Bobcats and Heat won't trade because the Heat won't/can't give up anything in fair value. Might as well come out of your dream scenario.

Marion can walk, so if we're going to lose Okafor or Marion next year regardless, I'd rather keep Okafor and try and show him this team is on the upswing and for him to change his mind. Athletes tend to jump the gun so its not impossible.

[BlaZeN27]

Your the one that needs to wake up buddy. Marion/Haslem isn't a exactly a great deal for Emeka? How much value do you think he had? Especially after these reported have come out, there is no way the Bobcats get fair value for him.

And I would say Marion + Haslem is over more then enough value for him.

You guys just took DJ Augustin over Brook Lopez, when the FO knew there was a chance things could go wrong with Emeka. Felton has been one of the most inefficient scorers in the league the past 3 years even thought hes had some nice assist to turnover ratio's. It seems to me that he isn't some prized possession. It's pretty much Haslem + a first for Felton, which is not far off value wise.

I'm not claiming this is the best deal in the world, hell I'm not even saying its fair, but it's definitely a lot closer then your making it seem.

Sure Marion COULD walk, but he has a much better chance at staying then Emeka does. If he doesn't stay then you guys would probably end up S&T him and get some good value in return. I even think Marion would like Charlotte because there is no Nash/Amare or Wade/Beasley over shadowing him. Lol, it's been rumored that Emeka has wanted out of Charlotte for a year or two. I've also been told by a fellow Heat fan who lives in Charlotte that he lives in some condo that hes RENTING. Its not like Emeka is some guy with character issues, he just truly does not want to be a Bobcat. And is it really worth the risk of losing him for absolutely nothing? Bet that would be a lot worse then getting Marion. You can be hopeful that he will want to come back to your team, but you have to be realistic here.

You think the fact that he got traded for a 2nd rounder has anything to do with Camby's actual value? There is a reason why there was a big to do from him about the trade, the Nuggets are (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[Sledge]

No the Nuggets needed to dump cap space because they knew they couldn't contend. Regardless I'm saying such a trade would leave a horrible taste in my mouth.

Regardless, we aren't about to trade away two starters for what will likely mean nothing come next year. Okafor was yielding more promising offers than Marion/Haslem imo, and then you basically give up Felton for a filler and a non lottery first rounder. How in the world does that even seem logical to you. You yourself admitted you aren't trying to say its fair, and while I understand the leverage is gone for Okafor as a trading piece, but you're basically taking the non-leverage from Okafor and acting like it applies to others on the roster. It simply doesn't make any sense what we are giving up and what would very likely leave us with in a year. It simply doesn't make sense.

Like I said before in one of your trade threads - I'd rather take Okafor at 1 year this year than Marion/Haslem. Hope LB turns this team around and show Okafor we are a legit team on the rise, now that we have a good coach. I see no reason to do Okafor for Marion/Filler personally, let alone throwing in our only PG with experience.

This yet again leaves us depleted at the PG position.

This trade just doesn't make any sense for us no matter how you look at it - right now or future.