Could Green be a nice surprise?

Realmavsman · Post #1 » by **Realmavsman** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:14 pm

Gerald Green is putting up some nice numbers in the Rocky Mountain Review. The first couple of games I saw him in the Vegas Summer League I had some serious questions about the guy. But the more the games have gone on the more I like what I see. He is actually playing a more complete game now than the first couple of games.

In 4 games in RMR:

20 ppg
50% FG
45% 3-PT FG
87% FT And he is getting to the line regularly
2.0 rpg Needs to improve here
1.75 Assist/PG This is much better than in Vegas
1.25 Steals/PG
0.50 Blocks/PG
2.5 Turnovers/PG Needs some improvement here

Overall though he is not too bad. He is number one if you look at Point per 48 minutes (38.6 ppg) in the entire RMR summer league. And he is doing it on very good shooting so you can't say it because he is just jacking it up all the time.

I am still not quite convinced but I have to say I like what I am seeing. I definitely think he should be a regular rotational player. In fact I am not sure that I would not start him at SG and continue to let JET come off the bench. At least as the current team is configured.

Does anyone else worry that Green could break out this year and we don't have him locked down for a couple of years?

mffl_14 · Post #2 » by **mffl_14** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:24 pm

Nope ..... It will be nice if he can pan out to be anything decent at all. I dont like getting to high on a guy who lights it up in summer league. I think I was excited about Bass last year but his explosiveness was and is obvious. There are a lot of guys who can light up a box score in summer league but have a big bag of nothing when it comes to the real thing. Look at Bellinelli for Golden State last year. Not to mention Green has been in the league for a couple years and not shown a whole lot.

Not saying he cant turn into something but it is way to early to be claiming him to be in the starting rotation over JET and a breakout comeback player this year. Let me see it against real defenders.

dirkforpres · Post #3 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:32 pm

I like what he is doing in the summer league, but the level of competition in those leagues is nothing like the actual NBA, especially for a SG. Ill wait until I see what he can bring once the real season starts.

Realmavsman · Post #4 » by **Realmavsman** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:39 pm

mffl_14 wrote:Nope ..... It will be nice if he can pan out to be anything decent at all. I dont like getting to high on a guy who lights it up in summer league. I think I was excited about Bass last year but his explosiveness was and is obvious. There are a lot of guys who can light up a box score in summer league but have a big bag of nothing when it comes to the real thing. Look at Bellinelli for Golden State last year. Not to mention Green has been in the league for a couple years and not shown a whole lot.

Not saying he cant turn into something but it is way to early to be claiming him to be in the starting rotation over JET and a breakout comeback player this year. Let me see it against real defenders.

First I would have to say the Green's explosiveness is also obvious. He can create a shot for himself anytime he wants. He is incredibly quick for a guy who is 6-8. And I agree it does not mean he will be an NBA star but he has all the tools to do that. His shooting ability is the thing that is most surprising for me. I knew he was an athletic freak but I did not know that he had such a nice stroke.
I also did not say he would be comeback player of the year. But if he shows anything at all this year there will be many teams trying to get him.

Also I would take Bellinelli in a second. I would certainly not use the fact that Don Nelson (who never likes rookies) gave him zero chance to show anything last year. Bellinelli is probably going to turn into a nice player.

PureMaverick · Post #5 » by **PureMaverick** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:43 pm

Hes still a young and improving player. Hes very athletic and not a bad finisher, which is good to work with Kidd. I mean, if anything he cant HURT us. This is definetely a good addition to the team. I'm not expecting 20+ppg from him but I'm expecting better than Ive seen in his last couple of seasons with Carlisle's guidance and Kidd at PG.

dtownmavs41 · Post #6 » by **dtownmavs41** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:19 pm

He will be better than the last few players we have tried to plug in at sg. IE. Buckner, Hassle, Christie, Jones. He could eventually turn into a decent starter but right now he has to prove himself against a good player. Granted he is only 22 and has all the tools to be something special so just give him some time.

mffl_14 · Post #7 » by **mffl_14** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:10 pm

Realmavsman wrote:First I would have to say the Green's explosiveness is also obvious. He can create a shot for himself anytime he wants. He is incredibly quick for a guy who is 6-8. And I agree it does not mean he will be an NBA star but he has all the tools to do that. His shooting ability is the thing that is most surprising for me. I knew he was an athletic freak but I did not know that he had such a nice stroke.
I also did not say he would be comeback player of the year. But if he shows anything at all this year there will be many teams trying to get him.

First off I didn't say comeback player of the year, so get that straight. I said a comeback player because that's what he would be. He's been a no name dunk contest winner scrub who is lighting it up in summmer league so him making anything out of himself this year would be a comeback for him.

Of course I would rather him be doing good in summer league then suck but for you to say you would consider him to start over JET is a joke to me. JET has done a little something in this league and Green is yet to prove anything. Let him do it in the league then we can begin the discussion but thats a joke to me.

Green's got up's dont get me wrong but when he goes against somebody of any value in the NBA and finishes consistentaly in the paint in the way that Bass does then you can compare his explosiveness to me. But to me those two guys are different animals.

Bottom line I want Green to succedd and I hope he catches on here but there is about a million other things I am worried about then if Green becomes so good here we might not be able to re sign him. If I'm wrong I'll eat my words but till then lets see him do something when it counts.

your_dallas_mavericks · Post #8 » by **your_dallas_mavericks** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:39 pm

Mark my words. Green will get anywhere from 8 to 20 starts this year. He will average anywhere from 8-11 pts/gm off the bench primarily. If he's smart, he makes Stack and Jones so expendable that we trade them away... This IS a contract year for Green. It's DO or DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!! He's gonna do, and odds are he won't be here next year. He will garner at least the MLE next year.

What's so funny is we talk about not having enough quality swingmen and I see more players than we have spots. We've got some we're shipping out and others we're going to stash in Europe. But the point is, we've got talent and let's hope RC gives the necessary focus, direction, and game planning in order to win...

Rand10 · Post #9 » by **Rand10** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:42 pm

Green > Stack

Pointguard01 · Post #10 » by **Pointguard01** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:45 pm

One thing that I'll hope for is that Green's abilities fit right in with Kidd. Green isnt a good ball-handler right now and that's his biggest problem, yet his strength's are perfect with Kidd. He's a shooter and he's a finisher and Kidd will be perfect in putting him in the best position to do both. His role in summer league compared to NBA games will be totally different. In summer league, he's got to create and he the go-to guy. But on the Mavs, he needs to hit open shots & finisher on offense. He's in the best position he could be playing alongside a PG like Kidd, I think. He might not put it all together, but I think the guy has a chance to be a decent player for us this year.

As far as ya'l concerned about him starting over Terry, well consider that guys like Eddie Jones, Trenton Hassell, Greg Buckner, ect have started the season in the same position, trying to make Terry the 6th man, and it wouldnt surprise me. Him or Stack easily could be the starting SG if no other moves are made this offseason.

rog1947 · Post #11 » by **rog1947** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:17 pm

I'd be shocked if he ended up as a starter. I'll be thrilled if he's a good backup. Over the past several years, the fans every summer get hyped up over a second rounder or old veteran expecting him to have a tremendous impact on the Mavs. A couple of months into the season, we're screaming to dump the guy (oh yeah, Bass has been the exception). Maybe Green can actually be a decent backup and provide some offense off the bench.

Realmavsman · Post #12 » by **Realmavsman** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:33 pm

mffl_14 wrote:Of course I would rather him be doing good in summer league then suck but for you to say you would consider him to start over JET is a joke to me. JET has done a little something in this league and Green is yet to prove anything. Let him do it in the league then we can begin the discussion but thats a joke to me.

Green's got up's dont get me wrong but when he goes against somebody of any value in the NBA and finishes consistentaly in the paint in the way that Bass does then you can compare his explosiveness to me. But to me those two guys are different animals.

Last year this team decided to bring JET off the bench because they thought he would strengthen our bench which he did. They did not go up and down the roster and say "hmmm....who are the 5 most talented players on our roster, because they must be the starters". Of course JET is better than Green. That is not the point. I would not consider starting him over JET because he is better player. I would consider it because I like JET giving us the punch off the bench. If we are sticking with the current roster, I also like Stackhouse off the bench. Green is not better than Stack right now either.

As far as doing it in the league, as bad as he was, Green averaged double figures in points as a 20 year old "in the league". The real question with Green is whether he can become a more complete player.

Of course Bass and Green are different animals. Bass is a PF and Green is SG/SF. Green is never going to finish in the paint the way Bass does. Bass is a power player and Green is going to make athletic moves. Yes, I know he needs to be able to finish drives to the basket but somehow I wouldn't think that would be hard for a slam dunk champion with a 48" verticle.

fazer86 · Post #13 » by **fazer86** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:41 pm

putting gerald green in to start the season off or jus startin the entire season is kind of puttin up in a position to fail
i think we shud look at reyshawn at the 3 and josh at the 2 even tho i dont believe josh has any ball handling ability to be a 2 or the capability to shoot a consitent 3ball
but with reyshawn out on the floor we get a pretty good man to man defender but i think his weak side to help side defense is very good and he will get blocks because of that
and he can run in transition and his 3ball might be just as consistent as j-hos

and then theres antoine wright...i think he shoud be the the 2 guard starter for the entire year unless he jus sucks balls or doesnt show n e thing in training camp, i mean he actually has 3 years of college expierence and played behind some very good wing players richard jefferson and VC
hes gotta have something and we jus need a guy who can play both way at the 2, josh can play both ways but he just isnt consistent
gerald green cud become the most improved player this year but its all mental for him and just playing defense with a passion

SpeedyG · Post #14 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:05 am

If I was Gerald Green, if there was one thing I could do this season for the Mavs, that would be RUN like crazy.

Someone brought it up, his skillset is a perfect compliment to Kidd's. All he needs to do is keep running on the fastbreak, and get open on the halfcourt set and he'll average 10 ppg easy.

Post #15 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:06 am

I feel good about Gerald and feel he's going to be good for us. He can shoot, he's going to excite, and if he doesn't explode mentally he's going to be a fan favorite.

Wow, maybe my hopes are up too high!

mffl_14 · Post #16 » by **mffl_14** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:22 am

I hope all of you are right about Green but I cant believe how much hype this guy is getting when just this past season he couldn't crack the T'Wolves line up. I love his athletism too but this type of discussion I would totally understand if it was happening in the regular season but we're talking summer league and being worried about keeping Gerald friggin Green for next year. I'm rooting that he does well I'm just not sold on his game just yet.

MainEv3nt · Post #17 » by **MainEv3nt** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:56 am

gerald green for mvp

Teffer10 · Post #18 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:24 am

God help us if GG is our starting SG at the beginning of the season.

mffl_14 · Post #19 » by **mffl_14** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:31 am

Teffer10 wrote:God help us if GG is our starting SG at the beginning of the season.

Thank God someone who is thinking clearly ! lol

JES12 · Post #20 » by **JES12** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:15 am

Teffer10 wrote:God help us if GG is our starting SG at the beginning of the season.

QFT!