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Are the Mavericks good enough to win the NBA Title with this current team next season?

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Post#21 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:05 pm

myconsumerclub wrote:I voted yes but to explain I need to say that I voted that way for 2 reasons.

1. The team is not finished making moves and I see them improving via a trade or signing. If by doing nothing than getting rid of Stack and Jones from this roster we are better than last years team. We can get one more piece and that might do it.

Diop will help and would have helped against NO. We need to build a deep team to capture home court and then we can win. No home court = out of the play offs.

This is why it's important to have young legs that can run and contribute. Jason Terry will see more time at backup PG under Carlisle and that will help matters by limiting his defensive weakness at the 2 and allowing a younger player to develop for the future which we hope is still intact for the playoffs (remember what Houston did last year).

Whatever we do tradewise this team is better with Foster Green Wright Rat and Singleton and possibly Rhodes than it was with Stack George Magliore Allen Lue and Jones. Bass will likely be better and Howard should be. With Kidd returning to see this team through a training camp and a good game plan from RC this new version will be the best we have had in years.

They can't strike out on all of the kids, someone has to step up and be this years Bass. Yes it would be nice to add a VC, Artest or one of Atlanta's Joshes but that is wishful thinking and we need to address this teams needs in a more viable and realistic manner.

2. I buy into the RC cola cool aid and think his x's and o's are better and will work with this team better than the previous administrations.

I think the man has a track record that prooves he knows what he is doing and that Indianna fell apart after he left so that in and of itself shows his value. He has the respect of Artest despite the history there and that tells me he could be the missing piece we need. Avery was busy throwing the whole team under the bus last season and we need a coach that earns his players respect.

With a PG like Kidd RC will be like a kid in a candy store designing plays to work with Kidds strengths and with all the big athletic young wings we added this team will be ready to run and slash. Dirk will be impossible to double team if Kidd can keep the centers involved and or we get an improved Bass that can score inside more and play defense at a higher level.

Dirk will step it up in his game going back to his strengths instead of trying to be Tim Duncan meaning he will have the green light from downtown and that will open it up inside for Bass and the driving cutting younger slashers we just added. Hopefully RC gets it in Greens head that he is on this team to be a slasher and not a 3 point shooter.


What mcc said... except for the fact I do think Green may shoot a few threes but I do see him more of a slasher, alley-ooper threat. This team's worst deficiency last season was allowing teams to get back into games and eventually overtake them. Smart coaching means smart playing. Teams like da Spurs who are a smart team walk with a swagger because they know what they're doing. RC will give us that. Howard + RC Smarts = All-Star. Dirk at the 3pt line will find people and end up with a lot more assists this season but probably fewer rebounds. But with Kidd on the squad, that's no big deal. This season looks to be a lot of fun. We just need to find that mojo and locate that confidence.
If we could just close games with Luka, Kyrie, Green, Maxi, and Wood that'd be great...
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Post#22 » by JES12 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:57 pm

Realmavsman wrote:
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your_dallas_mavericks wrote:Kidd + Mavs + Training Camp + Carlisle - Avery = a much better Mavs team.


Kidd - Harris + Mavs + Training Camp + Carlisle - Avery = 1st round exit again


While I agree with this I think this is also true:

Harris + Mavs + Training Camp + Carlisle - Avery = 1st round exit again

I know you love Harris and all but I don't think we were going any farther with Harris and without Jason Kidd. That is why I am in favor of doing something more than resigning Diop and signing Gerald Green and a bunch of spares.
Harris would have done better than Kidd/Terry did on Paul and Diop would have done better than Bass/Dirk/Damp did on West/Chandler. And JHo would be JHo of old.

So while I can see you saying we may not have won it all, I could easily see us getting out of the 1st round.

Some posters just need to see Kidd for who he really is (the same Kidd I saw for the past 3-4 years).
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Post#23 » by cmavswin » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:00 am

LA+NO+SA+UTAR+None of those teams in the league+ training camp+ #1 starter for the Rangers-Jessica Simpson-Josh Howard on Mary Jane+ Ron Artest for the min- this is the Geh+Carlisle - Avery- Mark Cuban's bad hair- TO crying "he is my...my...myyyy QUARTERBACKKKK"= Yes they can about the same chance that I can win the **** lottery too!
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Post#24 » by Zoli » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:33 pm

I agree with myconsumerclub, if it's all coming together, we have a realistic chance. That's a big if though, but this team is already better than what we had last season. Diop is not an all-star but an important player. Singleton is a solid player too, Sow can make the team also, i know It's not enough to get us over the hump, but who knows how this team will look like next season, maybe we'll see a much better team with Carlisle, maybe some of the young guys (Reyshawn Terry, Gerald Green, Antoine Wright) will step up and contribute big time, Bass will continue to improve, and i also think we will see the "old" Josh, a much more efficient player, i don't think we can sign Mike Miller, Redd, Artest, or even Childress, so the team needs other ways to improve, and i really believe they will, maybe enough to do some damage in the playoffs.
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Post#25 » by Darren » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:48 pm

Not even closed. The best description would be a dark horse in the Western Conference.
In fact, no team from the West deserves anything more than that. Not even the Lakers.

Boston Celtics is spectacular. Look at their DEFENSE you find the clue. Not even MJ's Bulls can win over this team. I project them as the top team for the next 2 seasons.

That's why I opposed to Kidd-for-Harris trade in the first place. And suggest to trade Dirk to rebuild for another. There's no way we can beat this team right now. They can out-star everybody, out-hustle everybody, and out-smart everybody. They have great basketball skills, group dynamics, athleticism, experience, and coach to get everything done.

Potential-wise, sixers, blazers and maybe the hawks are on the rise as well.

One thing is very clear - Mavs, Suns, and Spurs are on the decline.
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Post#26 » by ppp000 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:38 pm

not even close.

The team couldn't even win given their best chance in 06, now teams are better all around. Josh Howard is what he is. The fact that he is still billed as our 2nd option speaks to how thin the roster is. Even if he returns to form, the team needs someone who can carry the load off Dirk in the clutch ala Paul Pierce. Josh will most likely never be that person nor has he ever shown the ability to do so. Terry is too streaky, undersized, but our second player to go to in the cluth. Again, that speaks how weak this roster is.

Damp no words. Diop , whatever his D is needed, but hardly anything over the top. Stack sucks even more than before. So we're counting on two 30 something year olds to lead us to the championship after both playing all summer in the olympics, one of them can't shoot and the other can still be locked down by aggressive defenders.

Yeah, I don;t think Rick's "magic" will work.

Although it is only July/Aug, I'm not banking on some type of deal that can land us Josh Smith or anything.
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Post#27 » by JES12 » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:03 am

ppp000 wrote:Yeah, I don;t think Rick's "magic" will work.

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Post#28 » by dirtyfilthynasty » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:57 pm

JES12 wrote:
Some posters just need to see Kidd for who he really is (the same Kidd I saw for the past 3-4 years).


Can you elaborate? Did the Kidd you saw for the last 3-4 years shoot 46% from three and 43% from the field?
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Post#29 » by PureMaverick » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:40 pm

I vote yes, I think the team is more talented than people give credit for. As long as each player plays up to his best standard, I think we should at least get to the second round for sure with Carlisles help.

And most of the people on this forum really dont give Kidd much credit either, I moved to Dallas from NJ so I'm obviously a major Kidd fan, but you just gotta understand why hes valued as much as he is. Its not anything to do with scoring ability. Kidd is at the right place at the right time always during a play, and has that spectacular court vision to always get the ball to the right place. Plus he has a good rebounding ability not seen in most PGs. I think with Carlisle allowing Kidd to run offense, the team will improve, I mean wasn't that the whole point of the trade?

So basically, with some changes in the offseason and Carlisles help, I think this team is definetely ABLE to win a championship. Though getting to that point is a completely different story.
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Post#30 » by Deus » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:02 pm

For us to win the title, we need to do one of two things. Either get a lot better on the defense end, meaning go from giving up 95 ppg to 90 ppg while still averaging 100 ppg on offense. This can be done with the current players. Yeah, don't laugh. Kidd, Josh, Damp and Diop are good defenders. They just need the motivation.

The other, more impossible way, is to trade for an interior, post up player. He doesn't necessarily have to be a center like a Yao Ming or Shaq or Duncan. But without one, your team is basically a jump shooting team like Boston was this year when they won. No, Garnett doesn't post up. He faces the basket more than he posts.

I believe Carlisle can coach better than Avery can. When he was in Indiana his teams won with defense. Meanwhile, Dirk will pour in the points.
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Post#31 » by Xenopathic Investigator » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:35 pm

Well here's this years "1s T3h M4VorZZs OrZ Teh D_O_0_m_3_D_e_D_!!111???" moment.


If we run we can win if we don't run and play halfcourt ISO then we will have problems. With Bass and Diop I think we can play effective half court defense now.

now if we can get a scorer like VC to really scare people along side the german giant then we can talk.

Our scoring and running is our strength not half court iso. Our defense is still really good though in the half court(with a faster more athletic guard like green and Diop/Bass).

He still need a 2nd scoring threat behind dirk that won't fall asleep in the finals and goof the end of games.

If we run with the fast break passing skills of kidd and we can beat anyone.Problem is last season we didn't use kidds strengths and lost Diop so Damp playing heavy minutes got roasted and Dirk quad teamed most of the time.

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