CHI/PHI

biggestbullsfan · Post #1 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:51 pm

With both of our teams being in a predicament with Restricted Free Agents, and your team looking for a shooter to go along with Brand, What would it take for us to get AI. THe only hands off really is Rose and Thomas and no package that includes both Deng and Gordon.

Post #2 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:13 pm

If Bulls are not willing to meet the high demands of Deng & Gordon because the owner refuses to pay Lux Tax - there is absolutely no possibility he will be willing to pay Iggy what he wants.

Trade will be very hard since Iggy would be BYC & both teams will be over cap (with cap holds considered)

Post #3 » by **tk76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:22 pm

It sounds like the CBA prevents trades involving 2 RFA's when both teams are at the cap, unless the players sign for there cap hold or less (which is not happening.)

That leaves the Bulls non RFA's. The Sixers could use Hinrich to replace Miller, but some combo of Hinrich, Sefasha and Noccioni is not enough to get Iguodala, and would not work under the cap unless the Bulls take back Evans.

The bulls have promissing young bigs, but that is not an area of need for the Sixers- so I don't see any possible fair deal unless you get real complicated and start involving Sam or Miller into the deal.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #4 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:28 pm

Nothing. I want no one on the Bulls for Iguodala.

biggestbullsfan · Post #5 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:36 pm

tk76 wrote:It sounds like the CBA prevents trades involving 2 RFA's when both teams are at the cap, unless the players sign for there cap hold or less (which is not happening.)

That leaves the Bulls non RFA's. The Sixers could use Hinrich to replace Miller, but some combo of Hinrich, Sefasha and Noccioni is not enough to get Iguodala, and would not work under the cap unless the Bulls take back Evans.

The bulls have promissing young bigs, but that is not an area of need for the Sixers- so I don't see any possible fair deal unless you get real complicated and start involving Sam or Miller into the deal.

I was thinking of a possible sign and trade and that is possible with two teams becuase we did it with eddy curry to NY. We also have a large contract in Larry Hughes who could possible start for you. But Hinrich is getting lot of interest and we may trade him to Denver for a 10 mil trade exception and a first. we could possible send that to you and other assets for Iggy. It works money wise as well as assets in 1 or 2 possible first round picks.

Post #6 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:44 pm

Iguodala and Evans for Hinrich and Gordon. Iguodala is far superior than either Hinrich or Gordon and with the addition of 'Dala, Chicago would find itself needing to bench one of them. For the Sixers, it would mean adding shooting to the starting lineup and having security for when Miller leaves next summer. If Miller stays, the team has another trade chip.

Chicago
Rose
Iguodala
Deng
Thomas
Noah

Philly
Miller
Hinrich/Gordon
Young
Brand
Dalembert

Moving Evans would also open minutes for Speights in the rotation.

UptownPhilly · Post #7 » by **UptownPhilly** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:52 pm

Chicago would have to take back WG in that Iguodala/Evans for Hinrich/Gordon swap

PhillyRocks1 · Post #8 » by **PhillyRocks1** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:56 pm

Roletagg wrote:Chicago would have to take back WG in that Iguodala/Evans for Hinrich/Gordon swap

Why? Why would you even want too. Deeper the bench the better off you are. Dispite hatred for Green, he isn't a bad player and his contract is very affornable.

Post #9 » by **tk76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:03 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Iguodala and Evans for Hinrich and Gordon. Iguodala is far superior than either Hinrich or Gordon and with the addition of 'Dala, Chicago would find itself needing to bench one of them. For the Sixers, it would mean adding shooting to the starting lineup and having security for when Miller leaves next summer. If Miller stays, the team has another trade chip.

Although that sounds like a good trade (at least from Philly's end) it does not work under the cap- and would put the sixers at or near the tax if it did work. Iguodala and Evans current count 13M toward the cap. Hinrich and Gordon would probably make 18M next year. Lou will further cost the team 4M more than his cap hold. Maybe that is still short of the tax, but it is getting close.

biggestbullsfan · Post #10 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:14 pm

PhillyRocks1 wrote:
Roletagg wrote:Chicago would have to take back WG in that Iguodala/Evans for Hinrich/Gordon swap

Why? Why would you even want too. Deeper the bench the better off you are. Dispite hatred for Green, he isn't a bad player and his contract is very affornable.

What is the story on woillie green? I believe we would be willing to take him back. Is it a contract issue or a personality issue with him?

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #11 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:22 pm

Techinically, it's not a contract issue.

It's a consistency issue. Somedays, your gonna get the WG that Billy King signed, some days you won't.

The other thing, is that WG doesn't understand(or has forgotten how to) contribute in other ways when his shot ain't falling. Like defense and rebounding and setting up his team-mates. He has the body and the handles to do these things. He just needs a coach that's gonna give him a spanking and an organization that doesn't owe anything to him seemingly like we do.

Post #12 » by **tk76** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:53 pm

WG is fine for the 3-4M he makes a year. It more that a player of his limited value should not be signed to a 5 year deal- even if it isn't at a high salary. He was one of the worst starting SG's in the league- but he's not payed like a starter, and probably is a decent player to have on the bench. He just was a punching bag here because he did not contribute much as a starting SG. People were not nearly so down on him as a bench guy.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #13 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:58 pm

I think he has 3 yrs left on his deal now. 3-4 Mill at 3 years is alright.

Billy King is just too damn modest and humble, he didn't have to give Willie that contract.

UptownPhilly · Post #14 » by **UptownPhilly** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:11 am

PhillyRocks1 wrote:
Roletagg wrote:Chicago would have to take back WG in that Iguodala/Evans for Hinrich/Gordon swap

Why? Why would you even want too. Deeper the bench the better off you are. Dispite hatred for Green, he isn't a bad player and his contract is very affornable.

If we bring in Ben Gordon, it makes Green redundant. Besides, I'd rather us get out of his contract. We could just pick up a SG for the minimum.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #15 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:29 am

Willie and Andre for Gordon and Hinrich is really the only deal I can see making sense. Still doubt Id do it. Hinrich fell off and Ben is an undersized gunner. Maybe a 3 way?

Sandalf42 · Post #16 » by **Sandalf42** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:21 am

Maybe a 3 way?

LOL

Fire BK · Post #17 » by **Fire BK** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:34 am

The Guilty Party wrote:Iguodala and Evans for Hinrich and Gordon.

Chicago
Rose
Iguodala
Deng
Thomas
Noah

Philly
Miller
Hinrich/Gordon
Young
Brand
Dalembert

.

^^^ I'm on board....... ^^^

one roadblock could be reinsdorf''s unexplainable man-love for kirk hinrich. any thoughts on that, bulls fans? Especially since JR suddenly stole the reigns of contract negotiations from paxson in a coup.

Anyways, I like you're thinking, TGP. One of BK's secret hidden faults was choosing the exact same position player 3 times (Iggy, Carney, Thad) in his late tenure.... Therefore, while the Sixers appear on the cusp of dominance right now, Iggy = Thad, in terms of skill sets.... Not a great 2-3 combo on offense... Defensively, it's beastial. But opening the SG position up for some shooters could be smart IMO (considering Miller is really a mid-range distributor).... Consider me in the camp for Thad as our future SF.

Also.......remember Stefanski still only referred to Iggy as an "asset" a few months ago... It seems like anything can happen in modern-day NBA player movement frenzy.

Post #18 » by **The Guilty Party** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:31 am

Either way, I imagine BYC issues are going to come into play with Iguodala and therefore, a sign and trade with him will be damn near impossible unless a team like Memphis gets involved and that's unlikely.

Did we ever get clarification if Iguodala will become a BYC player if/when he signs for more than his cap hold?

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #19 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:00 am

Yes, in the FA thread and some others as well, he will be a BYC player. Thanks to Elton Brand, having Iggy at the 2 isn't such a bad idea. Since he(well, and any low post player with passing ability) opens up the court and Iggy who is an open court player benefits from this.

I said it on the Thad Young article and I'll say it again: This team is a 100 PPG Basketball team in my minds, Considering we averaged that in the 2nd half of the year where we went 25-13, I think that's possible. Another thing is to consider, how confident these young kids were as they got more PT.

Who SERIOUSLY thought we would be here? Being an NBA title contender at the max, and at the very least, challenging the Celtics and Pistons(Magic if the Pistons make a move). Some of it is Maurice Cheeks, instilling confidence in these young guys. Some of it is them, kicking ass

.

This is a team I can seriously root for from the bottom of my Philly heart. GO SIXERS.

biggestbullsfan · Post #20 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm

Fire BK wrote:
The Guilty Party wrote:Iguodala and Evans for Hinrich and Gordon.

Chicago
Rose
Iguodala
Deng
Thomas
Noah

Philly
Miller
Hinrich/Gordon
Young
Brand
Dalembert

.

^^^ I'm on board....... ^^^

one roadblock could be reinsdorf''s unexplainable man-love for kirk hinrich. any thoughts on that, bulls fans? Especially since JR suddenly stole the reigns of contract negotiations from paxson in a coup.

Anyways, I like you're thinking, TGP. One of BK's secret hidden faults was choosing the exact same position player 3 times (Iggy, Carney, Thad) in his late tenure.... Therefore, while the Sixers appear on the cusp of dominance right now, Iggy = Thad, in terms of skill sets.... Not a great 2-3 combo on offense... Defensively, it's beastial. But opening the SG position up for some shooters could be smart IMO (considering Miller is really a mid-range distributor).... Consider me in the camp for Thad as our future SF.

Also.......remember Stefanski still only referred to Iggy as an "asset" a few months ago... It seems like anything can happen in modern-day NBA player movement frenzy.

I would do the deal but would it work financially and would it be smart for rose. We may need a PG back in return becuase we will become very weak there. Maybe an ollie or Williams since were giving up Ben and Hirnrich. I would prefer Williams to back up Rose.