FFKL 2007-08 [Winner: east!]

[insfo]

option number 5 has been voted by majority of gms (11/16). this means that it will be implemented starting with next off-season so there is no extra keeper slot for sophomores this year. only players who were rookie keepers this off-season (meaning nba rookie class 07/08) will be eligible to be sophomore keepers next year so it's still not too late to trade for a rookie keeper.

Yi Jianlian
Acie Law
Spencer Hawes
Marco Belinelli

are all available ...

[Stanford]

I'll swap my fifth round pick with your seventh round pick for Hawes

[Young_Star11]

If that rule doesn't pass, set me free from the league.

OK, we get it.

I'm trying to look after both of you. What's a keeper league if you only get to keep 4 of your 13 players?

[Young_Star11]

Trying to understand that new rule:

Keepers: Shane Battier, Ron Artest, Luol Deng, Al Jefferson, Kevin Durant

Hilton Armstrong was a second year player, but I added him last season. I take it that this doesn't count?

[Stanford]

I'm trying to look after both of you. What's a keeper league if you only get to keep 4 of your 13 players?

Yeah, right.

Trying to understand that new rule:

Keepers: Shane Battier, Ron Artest, Luol Deng, Al Jefferson, Kevin Durant

Hilton Armstrong was a second year player, but I added him last season. I take it that this doesn't count?

You get to keep Durant this year, but not next as the rule only starts this season.

[Young_Star11]

nvm, he's good enough to be a regular keeper.

Hopefully I can set this team up well for the next owner.

[Stanford]

What's with that? Is that a comment that really needs to be made publicly? What did you hope to achieve by saying that? Announcing to the entire league that you don't care about it, after you forced an ultimatum on us and acted like you were doing us a favour by staying. That's BS Jordan, and you know it. If you don't want in, then leave. Get off your high horse.

[Young_Star11]

Go, kick me out.

You were simply telling me that Durant couldn't be a keeper after this upcoming season. I responded that he's good enough to be a regular keeper, which he will be. I'm going to be adding another rookie this season, so where does this show that I don't care about the rule I wanted? Where?

How did I force an ultimatum on you guys? Ten other managers voted for Rule 5. Unless those votes came because I demanded them to, I can't see how I did.

I sincerely apologize if it came across as an ultimatum, but ultimately the majority of the managers wanted that rule to come in, including me, so that's why it's there.

I only stayed because KalElen was patient with me, gave me the time and opportunity that ultimately I couldn't turn around and say no to him. That's why I am still a part of this league.

If you don't want me, go, kick me out Coady.

[Stanford]

How did I force an ultimatum on you guys?

Are you kidding? Here's the progression of posts you made after Kals.

That rookie rule is the only thing keeping me in this league.

Are we having the rookie rule implemented? I need to know before I commit to the league.

I don't know if I can take my place in the league.

I'm gonna vote for Rule 5.

I want that rule enforced if possible. If that rule doesn't pass, then by all means, set me free from the league.

If not, I can remain in the league with a heavily reduced role. I'll still be active.

Up to you guys.

Whether or not your preference was the same as the rest of the leagues is irrelevant. You made it known numerous times that if you didn't get what you wanted, you'd either quit the league, or the closest thing to it. It was quite obvious to me, right from the start, that you felt your presence in the league was more important to everyone else than their own preference of rules for the upcoming season. Why would you ever bother making post after post like that, (to the point where another member politely told you to stfu) if not to use any sort of stature you think you have to sway some votes.

The issue isn't whether or not I want you in this league. The issue isn't whether or not every single member in this league wants you. Hell, they probably do. I do. The issue is that you were condescending towards everyone in the league, like you'd be doing us a favour by staying.

I'm going to be adding another rookie this season, so where does this show that I don't care about the rule I wanted? Where?

It's not that you don't care about the rule, it's that you're openly showing that you don't care about the future of your team or the league.

Hopefully I can set this team up well for the next owner.

Yeah, that's a real classy thing to say. Nice try saving face, but I can see through it.

If it were up to me, I'd want you to stay. I don't have the power to kick you out. I don't think anyone does, save the entire collective league, or at least a large majority of it.

I'm not trying to kick you out, I'm telling you that if you're pretending your staying to do the rest of us a favour, to just leave. Big difference.

[Young_Star11]

I genuinely did not know if I could stay in the league.

I am already on deck for four leagues (FFDL, FFL, Money and now the VBA). That wasn't an emotional plea to get people to vote for rule 5. I was actually loaded in terms of leagues, but I do have a second account which I can use. Since I did not like having to log on and off my accounts, that was the reason for me not being as active in this league.

At no point I felt my presence in the league was more important than anyone else's. I will admit that it does seem obvious that I wanted the rule, being the Durant owner and all, but I genuinely feel that the league needed a rookie rule. Maybe I did blackmail people emotionally, but heck, it's an e-forum.

In referring to the 'setting up the team for next season', once again it is boiling down to the fact that I might be too busy to stay in the league, which may mean I have to leave this league by deafult (along with another one or two).

I sincerely hope that me saying what I said did not force you to vote the way you did. If so, we can vote again. Heck, you can vote for me to stay in the league or not.

Never in any circumstances would I stay in a league on its last legs to do the rest of you a favor. I'm in it to compete.

[Curtis Lemansky]

Jordan,to be honest I dont appreciate your "either this rule is implemented or I'm out" attitude.I'm all for discussion of rules for revision however it is one thing to support a rule change another thing to threaten to quit if that rule is not changed.

Nobody is trying to kick you out Jordan,but really if you are going to remain,remain because you wanted to be part of the league,not because you want to do us a favor.

This is how it looks from my side:
For the entire year,you said that you are unsure about your future in the league and will probably not participate next year.All year you keep mentioning that.

Then when we are discussing rule changes,you posted various times the same "this rule is in or I'm out" messages.If you look at it,nobody other than you made such a threat to quit if something does not go in the way he wanted.Normally any gm who would do that,would be told to "**** off" but since you are a well respected gm/poster who is liked by a lot of people around this board(including me) and whose presence in the league would be greatly beneficial for the league,everybody kinda tolerated your posts.

Then after the rule change which you were asking for is accepted,then you make another post saying that"Hopefully I can set this team up well for the next owner" which indicates that you will again make us go through the same "I dont know whether I'll be in next year" & "I think I'm gonna quit this league this summer" routine again which is quite frankly a bit annoying and disrespectful to the members of the league who has shown you lots of tolerance during your decision phase.

[Curtis Lemansky]

BTW this is posted when I havent seen Jordan's last post.Yes I'm a slow typer.

[Young_Star11]

All fair points Gokce.

I should be treated as the bad guy, but not the evil villain IMO.

I just thought the league needed some new life to keep it going strong. I expressed my desire for it in a bad way.

By all means, vote for me to stay in or not. Or re-do the vote.

[Curtis Lemansky]

Dont worry,you are not a villian and I do agree that we need to inject some life into the league and rule changes may be the best way to do that.Hell you know what:I'd be even seriously consider changing this into a dynasty league starting from next off-season.Dynasty leagues,as it appers,generate most activity,more committed owners and in general a more fun league.

[Stanford]

I guess I wasn't fair enough

[Stanford]

By all means, vote for me to stay in or not. Or re-do the vote.

You just don't get it, my friend.

[writersblock]

Dont worry,you are not a villian and I do agree that we need to inject some life into the league and rule changes may be the best way to do that.Hell you know what:I'd be even seriously consider changing this into a dynasty league starting from next off-season.Dynasty leagues,as it appers,generate most activity,more committed owners and in general a more fun league.

Dynasty makes things a lot more easy...no "rule change" votes...you keep your players, it's pretty simple. But I digress for 2 reasons: 1) I'm new, so I'll hold off on pushing my own opinion and do whatever the rest of the league has been doing and 2) I understand quite a few people have made roster moves based on the current rules, so we couldn't really go "dynasty" until at the earliest next year.

[writersblock]

All fair points Gokce.

I should be treated as the bad guy, but not the evil villain IMO.

I just thought the league needed some new life to keep it going strong. I expressed my desire for it in a bad way.

By all means, vote for me to stay in or not. Or re-do the vote.

are you SURE you don't want to be the villain? I mean, look at this guy:

or even this guy:


BTW, Jordan, all this nonsense has nothing to do with the rule-vote. It's your wavering on whether you want to be in the league.

[E-DUBB]

i dont know you personally, so i cant comment on you directly...

but in my opinion this goes for every owner... your either in it completly or your not. its very simple. anyone who does not want to be here should leave now rather than the middle of the season.

[KalElen]

this is the official league vote. everyone is required to vote on all questions. those who don't do it within 7 days from now will be replaced

vote by posting word VOTE: number of the question you are answering and letter in front of your choice, for every question. keep all your answers in one post. you are free to change your vote at any time before voting is over. vote in this thread

please keep any comments you might have in separate posts to make it easier to count the votes. if you have any questions feel free to ask, but make sure you do it within required time frame

vote on

1. number of bench spots:
a) 2
b) 3
c) 4
d) 5(current rule)

2. il positions:
a) 2 il spots with no restrictions(current rule)
b) 1 il spot with no restrictions
c) 1 il spot with no restrictions and seil
d) 1 il spot that can be used no more then 2 times during the season and seil

il - any player can be put on il after he misses at least 5 games providing there is il spot available
seil - season ending il, can be used after player misses at least 5 games, but player can't be picked up back to the active roster until fantasy season ends meaning that it can't be used more then once. in order for player to be eligible to be put on seil he doesn't have to officially be out for the season, he just needs to miss 5 games, but i repeat, he can't be picked up before the season is over

3. Max Moves:
a) 40 for the entire season(current rule)
b) 40 for the regular season + 4/4/5 in the play-offs
c) 50 for the entire season
d) 40 for the regular season + 15 for the entire play-offs without per week restrictions

4. Can't Cut List:
a) none
b) yahoo default(current rule)

5. Trade End Date:
a) yahoo default(current rule)
b) last day of 20th week
c) real nba's trade deadline

6. Trade Review:
a) league vote
b) commish(current rule)

7. Trade Reject Time:
a) 2 days(current rule)
b) 3 days
c) 4 days
d) 5 days

8. draft lottery based on:
a) regular season standings
b) end of season standings

9. draft lottery system:

a) current rule: everyone enters the lottery and
top 4 teams get 4 ping pong balls each
next 4 teams get 3 ping pong balls each
next 4 teams get 2 ping pong balls each
next 4 teams get 1 ping pong ball each

b) no lottery. last team gets 1st pick, second to last gets 2nd pick,... first team gets last pick

c) bottom 8 teams enter lottery for top 8 picks with equal chances, top 8 teams enter lottery for bottom 8 picks with equal chances. this is based on what we did with rookie draft in year one of the league

d) everyone enters the lottery with tank preventing distribution of chances (there is a software that does this quite easily, customize chances of winning the lottery that is):
1% chance – top 2
2% chance - next 2
3% chance - next 2
9% chance – next 6 (consolation participants)
10% chance – bottom 4