ESPN reporting Okafor - 6/72...

[bebopdeluxe]

...which means that any talk with Iguodala that is even repotely close to 5/70 has to stop NOW.

I can't see any way that Iggy gets more than Okafor...so 6/70 (or, say, 5/60 if Iggy wants a shorter deal) has to be the top of what Iggy and his agent should reasonably expect to get...

Right?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

I still don't see why we have to pay him Okafor/Ellis money, they are far superior basketball players.

[bebopdeluxe]

I don't know if Okafor is a "far superior" basketball player than Iggy, but traditionally, bigs simply get paid more...which is why I view Okafor's contract as Iggy's ceiling.

Hopefully, both Stefanski and Iggy's agent see it that way as well.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Look at it this way, if we signed Okafor instead of Brand, I would have been just as happy. Sure, Okafor doesn't have the post game of an Elton Brand. But it is respectable. And his rebounding and shotblocking are on levels with Brand. Brand will make our offense a whole lot better. But Okafor was a definate 2nd place to look at if it didn't happen.

Monta Ellis is what you call a NATURAL scorer. Like Allen Iverson, someone who if you give him the basketball something's going to happen.(To a lesser extent for now, Thad has shown the potential to develop into this). Iguodala is simply a slightly lesser version of Scottie Pippen. Except Scottie too, had more scoring ability then Iguodala's fade away jumpers and fast break dunks.

[geiger]

Iggy is a poor, poor, poor, poor version of Pippen. He's not even close in terms of defense and versatility. He's not half the ball handler or passer Pipper was either. He's not as good a rebounder. He's not as good a pure scorer. Guys who are slated to play C and PG make more money than players of comparable talent who play SG or SF. That's a fact in the NBA and always has been. There is no way Iggy deserves a penny more than guys like Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Gerald Wallace, Kevin Martin, etc. got.

[eyeatoma]

^^^I think the phrase you're looking for is "a poor man's" Scottie Pippen...hehe

[blazehound]

Great news for the sixers. This offically sets the market for Iguodala. He should expect 11-11.5 million per year.

[bedjaw]

Iggy's market is shaping up which is good news. I'd expect him to sign similar to Okafor. While he is an obviously more accomplished player than Okafor, bigs tend to make more money. LWill will be a tougher sign for there is more room for debate on his market. Iggy is clearly in the range of Ellis and Okafor while there is uncertainty to what LWill is or will become. Looks like Iggy's decision to turn down 5/57 is going to pay off. Shows us what we know.

[bedjaw]

Look at it this way, if we signed Okafor instead of Brand, I would have been just as happy. Sure, Okafor doesn't have the post game of an Elton Brand. But it is respectable. And his rebounding and shotblocking are on levels with Brand. Brand will make our offense a whole lot better. But Okafor was a definate 2nd place to look at if it didn't happen.

Monta Ellis is what you call a NATURAL scorer. Like Allen Iverson, someone who if you give him the basketball something's going to happen.(To a lesser extent for now, Thad has shown the potential to develop into this). Iguodala is simply a slightly lesser version of Scottie Pippen. Except Scottie too, had more scoring ability then Iguodala's fade away jumpers and fast break dunks.

Your crazy if you'd be just as happy with Okafor as with Brand. One IS a proven franchise player while the other is a player whose never carried his team to the playoffs. Never been to the playoffs in a miserable Eastern Conference. That is all you need to know about EO.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Iggy is a poor, poor, poor, poor version of Pippen. He's not even close in terms of defense and versatility. He's not half the ball handler or passer Pipper was either. He's not as good a rebounder. He's not as good a pure scorer. Guys who are slated to play C and PG make more money than players of comparable talent who play SG or SF. That's a fact in the NBA and always has been. There is no way Iggy deserves a penny more than guys like Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Gerald Wallace, Kevin Martin, etc. got.

There's no way he should come close to Martin, Wallace, Butler. These guys can actually get the ball in the bucket. **Sighs** The good ole days where GM'S could pay the proper money to proper talent. He's not close and rightfully so, Scottie was a hall of fame player. One of the best hybrids in the game, and he was probably the other guard/forward(jordan being the first) that introduced the significance of the hybrid to the game of basketball.

If Iggy actually works on it for the first time ever this off-season though, he can close the gap a bit and then, MAYBE, MAYBE I'll consider that 5/57 deal he turned down.

[blazehound]

Looks like Iggy's decision to turn down 5/57 is going to pay off. Shows us what we know.

Going to pay off? As it stands, it seems Iggy is going to get just about the same kind of money per year he turned down before, if not less.

Biedrins got 10.5, Monta got 11, and Okafor got 12 per. I think Iguodala is locked into about 11 - 11.5.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Because they got that money? I don't care about position. I care about basketball skill. Ellis is a natural scorer. Biedrins is a guy that hangs around the basket. Okafor is a proven championship caliber player(don't blame him for CHA'S Woes). Iguodala isn't close to those 3 players, TALENT WISE. Couldn't care less about size and position.

[bebopdeluxe]

bedjaw:

Looks to me like both Okafor and Iggy will get - basically - what they turned down last summer.

I don't look at it as their decisions of last summer as "paying off"...I think they were EXTREMELY lucky that they didn't get hurt last year.

[bedjaw]

Because they got that money? I don't care about position. I care about basketball skill. Ellis is a natural scorer. Biedrins is a guy that hangs around the basket. Okafor is a proven championship caliber player(don't blame him for CHA'S Woes). Iguodala isn't close to those 3 players, TALENT WISE. Couldn't care less about size and position.

From here on out it is all about winning in the playoffs for the 76ers. That said the only time ME has been to the playoffs his minutes dropped. Nelly glued him to the bench at the end of games because he couldn't defend. Natural Scorer--yes but he has yet to be anything other than a 4th option for the Warriors. You are confused if you think he has ever been their go to guy. So were Danny Ferry and Christian laettner proven champioship guys and would you have been just as happy with them. How skilled do you think Okafor is? Here is a clue....He's got such great skillz that Coach K picked Tyson Chandler over him to be on the Olympic team. Tyson Friggin Chandler! This is on a team that only had 1 legit big man. Champioship caliber players by defintion have to get to the playoffs. There are certainly way better players in the NBA than Iggy but don't give me Ellis and Okafor. At least name guys who have accomplished something at this level.

WOW I just reread your post and you included Biedrins. All I can say is WOW!

[bedjaw]

bedjaw:

Looks to me like both Okafor and Iggy will get - basically - what they turned down last summer.

I don't look at it as their decisions of last summer as "paying off"...I think they were EXTREMELY lucky that they didn't get hurt last year.

I agree that turning down the money was not wise....to me it was not worht the risk. But Iggy will get as much as Okafor and if $72M is accurate that is an extra year at $14.5M and more money. Enough to justify the risk....I don't know. But I was taking into consideration other guys such as Deng and Gordan who are going to get less.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Because they got that money? I don't care about position. I care about basketball skill. Ellis is a natural scorer. Biedrins is a guy that hangs around the basket. Okafor is a proven championship caliber player(don't blame him for CHA'S Woes). Iguodala isn't close to those 3 players, TALENT WISE. Couldn't care less about size and position.

From here on out it is all about winning in the playoffs for the 76ers. That said the only time ME has been to the playoffs his minutes dropped. Nelly glued him to the bench at the end of games because he couldn't defend. Natural Scorer--yes but he has yet to be anything other than a 4th option for the Warriors. You are confused if you think he has ever been their go to guy. So were Danny Ferry and Christian laettner proven champioship guys and would you have been just as happy with them. How skilled do you think Okafor is? Here is a clue....He's got such great skillz that Coach K picked Tyson Chandler over him to be on the Olympic team. Tyson Friggin Chandler! This is on a team that only had 1 legit big man. Champioship caliber players by defintion have to get to the playoffs. There are certainly way better players in the NBA than Iggy but don't give me Ellis and Okafor. At least name guys who have accomplished something at this level.

WOW I just reread your post and you included Biedrins. All I can say is WOW!

Someone who actually follows the USA olympic team knows they have 2 low post players already. Dwight Howard and Chris Bosh. The USA olympic team is developed to be balanced offensively. And Tyson Chandler fits with their Run N Gun system. And by Championship caliber players I meant players who actually have made an IMPACT if you haven't caught on yet. Name ONE NBA team that wouldn't love to have Emeka Okafor. Name ONE. I believe in Okafor's rookie season, he broke Shaq's record of double doubles for a rookie. The consistency is there, and consistency is the most important thing from a center in the NBA. Ben Gordan is an elite 6th man/starter when he's near a team with defenders.

Gordan and Okafor have won titles on the college level. Because they were great players who fit perfectly in championship desired roles on good teams. Look at that Kansas team for an example of this. Darrell Arthur grabbed rebounds and put shots in. Brandon Rush could handle and shoot the ball and draw fouls. Chambers could score. These are championship caliber players. They may not be stars. But you can sure as hell bet that Kansas was the most talented team in the country. And the most cohesive team in the country. The second one was Memphis. And both..made the finals.

Biedrins is a CONSISTENT! 10/10/1 BPG player. And that's what half the teams in the league wish they could have. That's what we have in Dalembert. Andre Miller, if he were ever on a decent team(like this one). Is a CONSISTENT PG.

Consistency, something Iguodala has never shown in his career outside of defense.

[Sixerscan]

New rule, 100 word per post max on people who don't make any sense. I've spoken.

[eyeatoma]

Hahahaha...I like your style. Dedicated, you see what I mean now? You gotta cut those thesis papers down to a more manageable level.

[sixers hoops]

New rule, 100 word per post max on people who don't make any sense. I've spoken.

I second that motion.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

. I just like to type alot. And I feel like I've made some type of sense. Iguodala just isn't consistent enough on both ends to recieve Kevin Martin type deals.