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What should we do about filling out the roster? 

Post#1 » by supaflash » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:02 am

As has been discussed recently, at 79 Million for 12 players we still need a tad bit of depth. Realistically giving a large contract to Turiaf/Kwame/Thomas for very limited minutes was simply not an option. If we could have gotten them for BAE level then yeah but for 4 mil each, wasn't going to happen. So... what do we do?

REALISTIC:

Most likely we go forward with our strong upper rotation and add some cheapest possible options. Sasha's ability to spend minutes at point and Lamar's ability at PF gives us plenty of flexibility with our upper lineup. Not Ideal, but plenty good enough. Here's were I think we go:

Coby Karl 711K - Definitely proved his worth imo. Athletic, can shoot and plays hard defense he could be Sasha's equal very quickly and potentially could be better. He's worth a roster spot for sure.

Elton Brown 700Kish - http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9585 I present to you our best option at backup PF. Super cheap, likely available at the min, he is the perfect guy for a few mins a game. Young and very motivated. I love guys like this, works very hard to prove himself and get in the league and has been successful everywhere he has been. Plus his best attribute is rebounding. He's tough as well and could prove a perfect replacement for Ronny. Could be a Brandon Bass like signing.

Mbenga 800kish - Makes the most sense. He knows the system, is super cheap, and is tough and defends as well as he can. I thought he showed a nice little bit of improvement at the end of the season and I was kind of pissed Phil put Mihm on the finals roster. I thought he could have given a few nice mins against Boston. I think he still has some potential and I think with his story he has enough motivation to work hard.

Sun Yue 700k? - Depending on how he shows in the Olympics he could be one more possible piece to round it out.

There you go, a full roster without spending much more money. Our bench is what it should be, young, tough and motivated. Please no 2 million dollar contracts for washed up vets that have little motivation. NO Horry or Finely dear god...

DEALS THAT MAKE SENSE:

Vlad for Reggie Evans - I know everyone hates Vlad right now, but his O is actually quite valuable (our offense was at its best with him in the game) BUT if we are putting our money on LO and Ariza, theres just no mins for him anymore and Reggie would be a nice fit. Plus it would save us a few mill. Philly might do this for his shooting.

DEALS THAT ARE NICE BUT UNLIKELY:

Vlad for Fry and Webster: Would fill more spots, dunno why Portland would do it though
Vlad for any 2 2.5-3mil a year players. Pick your fillers, gives us depth, dunno if we can do it though.
LO for a good PG/SF and a filler or two. Similarly we could get more depth and a legit piece that might fit better the LO and save a little money too. There are some great deals out there but just don't see any of them happening anytime soon. I think it unlikely Lamar actually moves until later in the year. If Sac changes to like Artest and Moore, then possibly and that would work, but I have my doubts we end up getting Ron.

at any rate, I think our best bet is Min contracts to guys that are still trying to earn their way, keep one roster spot open for a vet down the road if one becomes available that we might need. I'd rather get some hungry guys then vets that don't need it honestly. Look at Brandon Bass, Eddie House, Carl Landry, Ramon Sessions, Ronny, etc as examples at what young motivated guys can do. Also like Mikey Moore, who had a good season for NJ. We just don't have to give them big deals after their year of usefullness ;)

What do you guys think? Spend a bit more on Vets? Elson or Skinner? Push for trades?
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Post#2 » by That Nicka » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:07 am

Deals I would do:

Vladimir Radmanovic for Reggie Evans

Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza for Tayshaun Prince and Antonio McDyess

Lamar Odom and Vladimir Radmanovic for David Lee and Stephon Marbury (waive)
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Post#3 » by Luxury » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:40 am

Well, you get an A for effort. You are withing 3-4 clicks away to finding all these answers on this board.
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What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#4 » by TylersLakers » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:45 am

Current Depth Chart

PG: Derek Fisher/ Jordan Farmar/
SG: Kobe Bryant/ Sasha Vujacic/ (Coby Karl)
SF: Lamar Odom/ Trevor Ariza/ Luke Walton
PF: Pau Gasol/ Vladimir Radmanovic/
C: Andrew Bynum/ Chris Mihm/

Total Salary: $80,330,112

11 players signed, we can pick up the option on Coby Karl if we would like for around 750,000.

Projected Minutes

PG: Derek Fisher (24)/ Jordan Farmar (24)
SG: Kobe Bryant (26)/ Sasha Vujacic (22)
SF: Lamar Odom (20)/ Kobe Bryant (10)/ Trevor Ariza (12)/ Luke Walton (6)
PF: Pau Gasol (25)/ Lamar Odom (15)/ Vladimir Radmanovic (8)
C: Andrew Bynum (32)/ Pau Gasol (8)/ Chris Mihm (8)

Fisher: 24 total minutes
Farmar: 24 total minutes
Kobe: 36 total minutes (SG, SF)
Sasha Vujacic: 22 total minutes
Lamar Odom: 35 total minutes
Trevor Ariza: 12 total minutes
Luke Walton: 6 total minutes
Pau Gasol: 33 total minutes
Vladimir Radmanovic: 8 total minutes
Andrew Bynum: 32 total minutes
Chris Mihm: 8 total minutes


Now, that's projected minutes. Of course, things could change. Foul trouble, injuries, level of play, etc. But that's what I think, if we have this lineup all season, this is around the type of minutes each player will get.

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Team Needs:

- Experienced back court player (PG, preferably.)
- Backup C
- Backup PF

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Where Do We Go?

Now, it's pretty clear we have a great starting lineup. I think, the best starting lineup in the NBA. Fisher, Kobe, Odom, Gasol and Bynum make up a hell of a 5. But where do we go after that? Farmar, Vujacic, Ariza, Luke/Radmanovic, Chris Mihm.. in that order.

Sorry, but that's not going to cut it. We lost in the Finals because we were "soft." Yeah, I hate saying it, but we were. Now, with Bynum back and Gasol sliding to his natural position, that will definitely help. But, we can't rely on EVERYBODY in our starting lineup playing 82 games. Bynum hasn't shown he can play a full season. I think he definitely can, but he hasn't proved it yet. Odom has had injury troubles in the past (credit to him though for playing every game after surgery last season). Gasol missed games last year, has had some lower body injuries. Luke and Radmanovic, same deal. Injuries are common with those two. Chris Mihm; don't even start.

If Bynum/Gasol/Odom go down, can we really handle Chris Mihm getting significant minutes? Can we handle Radmanovic playing 20+ minutes? I don't think we can.

Because of our front office dropping the ball so far with free agent signings (James Posey, Ryan Gomes (who would have fit PERFECTLY), Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown, O'Bryant, Turiaf). We can't let anymore slip out of our grasp. It looks like the market for young C's is set around 4 million, and if we have to, we got to dish that out.

Of course, Mitch pulling out the magic wand and trading Radmanovic for Reggie Evans and a filler would be orgasmic, but we can't rely on that. At this point, we have to assume the players we have will be playing on opening night. Including, Luke Walton and Vladimir Radmanovic.

So, fellow Laker fans, what do we do? Who do we look towards to help our front court depth?

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Players Who Can Actually Play

C Emeka Okafor (No chance of it happening)
SF/PF Josh Smith (In a trade for Odom? Yeah. Still doesn't address much regarding depth, though)
PF Carl Landry (Rockets would match.. would it be worth taking a shot though with our luxury tax?)
PF/C Francisco Elson
PF/C Brian Skinner
PF/C Melvin Ely (What's his status with NO?)
C David Harrison
C Jamaal Magloire
PF Juwan Howard
PF Austin Croshere
C Earl Barron
PF/C Chris Richard

God.. Please Help Us

PF PJ Brown (Retiring)
C Alonzo Mourning (Would be a great pickup, won't be available until mid-season)
PF Robert Horry (Playing wise? He's done. Locker room? Could be useful)
C Scot Pollard
C Theo Ratliff
PF/C Robert Swift (Two knee surgeries in a row. A risk)
C Michael Doleac
PF Raef LaFrentz
C Michael Ruffin
C Jake Voshkul
C Lorenzen Wright

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In order, my thinking is..

Francisco Elson, Brian Skinner, David Harrison, Chris Richard, Austin Croshere, Theo Ratliff, Earl Barron.

Sign Francisco Elson to 3 years, 9 million. 3 million a season. Ratliff and Lindsey Hunter with veteran minimum contracts.

PG: Derek Fisher/ Jordan Farmar/ Lindsey Hunter
SG: Kobe Bryant/ Sasha Vuajacic/
SF: Lamar Odom/ Trevor Ariza/ Luke Walton
PF: Pau Gasol/ Francisco Elson/ Vladimir Radmanovic
C: Andrew Bynum/ Theo Ratliff/ Chris Mihm

That looks a LOT better. Go with a front court rotation of Odom, Gasol, Bynum, Francisco Elson, Radmanovic/Ratliff/Mihm.

Also, if I was Mitch, I would keep an eye on Chris Richard. A big body and a member of the NCAA Champion Florida Gators. He was their sixth man, and main backup to Joakim Noah and Al Horford. He played AHEAD of Mareese Speights, who just tore it up with Philadelphia in the summer league as the 16th overall pick. He has soft hands, boxes out well, sets picks and commits hard fouls. Below average athleticism, not much of a shooter/scorer. Just does the dirty work, and we need a player like that. He's young, 4 years of experience with Florida. Do we pull the trigger? He's a restricted free agent, which is probably why he hasn't got many offers with fear of the Timberwolves matching.


What does everyone think? I consider this a BIG issue, and we're going to feel the effects if we go into the season as is.
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#5 » by supaflash » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:46 am

Lol Tyler, I think we were typing the same type of consolidation thread at the same time. You took a little more time and effort then I did though :)

Mods maybe merge the two?

At any rate, even the BAE seems a waste right now for what players are left out there .3 mil to Elson or Skinner? No way imo. What do they give you over a guy like MBenga? Just don't see any benefit right now of a 3 mil guy vs an 800k guy with a little more potential.

Hunter could be a nice pickup for the vet min, but I think Farmar and Fish are good to go if we are not going to significantly upgrade the position. I can see Fish moving to the bench to conserve energy for tougher D in the clutch. Same with the SF position, what we have is plenty good enough if we are not going to significantly upgrade.

PF and C, with Mihm on the roster and LO likely to spend time at PF, once again its just a waste of money to get one of these last few scrubs for a couple minutes a game and scrub time. If we REALLY need some more toughness or rebounding, theres a decent chance we could get a good vet, someone that got bought out, a trade to a tanking team, etc that could help fill that need. I think there will be options. I'd rather pay smaller amounts to guys trying to earn more resepct/value. The Chris Richard idea isn't bad.

If we wait a bit too we can keep an eye on the Olympics, theres a possibility there is a guy there that shows enough to give a little bit of money too that doesn't have a big overseas contract. That Canadian center didn't look all that bad against Howard.

Take a look at that Elton Brown article, guy could be a real steal. Mata'real looked tough and decent enough for a couple mins a game as well.
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#6 » by Slava » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:11 am

David Harrison without weed is a solid option. Big, strong, can finish and will block shots. I'd definitely look to offer him something if we are serious about a back up C.

Other options like Brian Skinner and Franicso Elson are ok but the rest is just garbage.

Re: Back court help, I'd love to have someone like Hunter on the team to play key stretches in the playoffs if Fish is injured or in foul trouble.
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#7 » by milesfides » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:46 am

Honestly, I don't think the F.O. dropped the ball, they're committed to putting the reigns on the payroll.

They'll probably stick with Mihm and Mbenga, because Mihm is already on the roster, and I feel they'll continue to string Mbenga along with the minimum.

I don't think the Lakers will offer anything above the minimum to any FA. Posey was gone, Vujacic stayed, Turiaf was probably offered a one-year, and I think that's all she wrote.
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#8 » by AceFresh » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:18 am

i wish we could get landry
he would be nice..
but we'll see
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#9 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:33 am

We need a "thug" type power forward , hell Danny Fortson would play for cheap now just to get back in the league.
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#10 » by Mos Def » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:15 am

I'd really like to get Sean Williams off of the Nets. I Think he would provide everything we need out of a PF/C coming off the bench. He would replace a lot of things that we lost with Ronny leaving.
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Post#11 » by Asianiac_24 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:37 am

anyway of getting Jeff Foster and/or David Harrison? Sean Williams from the nets would be nice too
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Post#12 » by laduane1 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:40 am

Well DJ would be nice, not my first choice, Sean Williams is a good looking player, just not sure the Nets would let him go for not much that the Lakers could offer. This guy look interesting. His defense seems solid, but if he was so good, why has he not been in the NBA sooner. Lakers do need to add one more big. Now we wait and see who pops up next.
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Post#13 » by MAMBAEMD » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:48 am

I really think they want to resign DJ which would not be bad.
He is long an can block shots.
He may have offers from other teams.
I hope we can keep him.
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Post#14 » by Teen Girl Squad » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:25 am

I'm on the Brian Skinner bandwagon, espeically sense he'll he fairly cheap. Wouldn't mind Mbenga if he put in serious work/time and became a gym rat.
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Post#15 » by That Nicka » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:01 am

Fisher 24/Farmar 24
Kobe 28/Sasha 20
Lamar 10/Kobe 10/Ariza 10/ Luke 9/ Radman 9
Pau 20/Lamar 28
Bynum 32/Pau 16


Mihm, Mbenga and Karl will barely ever play... Our SF situation is kinda nasty... If everything stays the way it is now Luke and Rad are gonna be a complete waste.. They are the types of players that need consistent PT to be successful
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Post#16 » by dockingsched » Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:48 pm

lakers can have a duo of gasol/bynum, odom/bynum, odom/gasol for the entire game. i don't see that many issues.
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Post#17 » by TylersLakers » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:17 pm

I agree if this was a 1 game NBA season.

But it's not. It's 82 games and injuries are going to happen.

Say Gasol goes out for 10 games, does Chris Mihm fill those 30-35 minutes? Can we really rely on that? If this was 2005, probably. Mihm was a solid player that year, probably our most consistent player outside of Kobe. But now? He's a wreck. Anyone's guess could be how he is this year.
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Post#18 » by dockingsched » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:06 pm

30-35 minutes?

pf: odom 38 / vlad 10
c: bynum 35 / mihm 13
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Post#19 » by Joe Kleazy » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:34 pm

The move we should be persuing is Odom(14.5 mil) / Ariza(?) to chicago for Nocioni and Gooden. Nocioni's contract goes from : 8 mil
7.5 mil
6.8 mil
6.6 mil
Gooden is at 7.1 for this season and expires this offseason. This gives us a solid fit at the SF and backup PF. It also gives us the option of next offseason shedding drew's seven mil plus the decrease each year in noci's salary which would go towards bynum's extension and we could just pick up a cheap big after losing gooden next year with mihm's expiring contract. Both players would fill the roles needed and allow us to bench luke and or radman and give those minutes to sasha. Hell worse case scenerio we could pick up a vet minimum wing to ensure walton and radman dont even dress until they shape up or until their contracts are better trade chips for more expiring money.


We need to fill out our roster for what will work for US. Why go through the whole odom at the SF experiment again? In this trade we add two defensive minded players that are tough and can both be capable of providing offense. If mitch is content on keeping mihm this season gooden will help to rest gasol and bynum instead of wearing them out for 82 games. Nocioni would also be capable of playing some time at the PF as he did in chicago and was a productive player on a team without a dominant star drawing attention like the 3 franchise players we have here.


I appreciate odom for what he has brought to this franchise even though some bash him. This is purely business and with kobe not being a young pup anymore the time is now to take a chance. If we were to look at artest, why not take this deal and kill two birds with one stone. Someone said that with luke and radman on teh roster that they would need minutes to be productive. In this scenerio whoever brings thier nuts with them next season can fall in behind nocioni.



Farmar / Fisher
Kobe / Sasha
Nocioni / Luke / Radman
Gasol / Gooden / Radman
Bynum / Mihm


That roster scores and moves the ball with the same effeciency as last year, only difference is it posseses more toughness, defense, durability, and experience to go along with the offense. The only thing I could see us POSSIBLY needing to add is a vet minimum big (mbenga) behind mihm for insurance. If the cost is too high for that then no need. Screw Yue, Crawford and Koby Carl they wont help us, unless we use Yue for jersey sales to add money. :thinking:
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Re: What should we do with our front court issues? 

Post#20 » by AceFresh » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:08 pm

dont like that move...^

id rather keep LO

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