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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#21 » by mack69 » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:49 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I could be wrong but if we can offer more thats great...

whether Ratner will really break the bank in a bidding war is another story...with this team bleeding money, i dont trust the owners of this team to follow through...we'll see though.

Please!!

Ratner was willing to pay a loser like VC. He isnt going to pay Lebron?

The guy is a businessman first. Lebron would remake all the money they lost. Add Yi. All Ratner sees is $$$$$$$$$$$$ <ding, ding, ding sound effect!>


I have come to realization that we will be a LTT team when we get to Brooklyn. Which makes it more important for mgmt to have a strong team before LB gets there and I dont think having lottery picks will convince him to come.

The money I am not worried about the quality of the team is what worries me.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#22 » by Rich Rane » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:03 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Time will tell, im just not buying into the hype or assuming its a foregone conclusion.


Nor should you. It's just that the possibility is there. That's probably what blows the whole thing out of proportion. I've been guilty in getting caught with the hype.

I've explained my feelings on the window of the Kidd era and that moves needed to be made. LeBron is just more of a best case scenario.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#23 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:17 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:I could be wrong but if we can offer more thats great...

whether Ratner will really break the bank in a bidding war is another story...with this team bleeding money, i dont trust the owners of this team to follow through...we'll see though.

Please!!

Ratner was willing to pay a loser like VC. He isnt going to pay Lebron?

The guy is a businessman first. Lebron would remake all the money they lost. Add Yi. All Ratner sees is $$$$$$$$$$$$ <ding, ding, ding sound effect!>


I have come to realization that we will be a LTT team when we get to Brooklyn. Which makes it more important for mgmt to have a strong team before LB gets there and I dont think having lottery picks will convince him to come.

The money I am not worried about the quality of the team is what worries me.


Yeah we have to be competitive but we need another lottery pick atleast next year. Whether it is to trade for another player or to get a stud, we need another high pick. Another stud in the caliber of Beasley or Rose wont attract him. You must be crazy. Remember we need a stud SG that is going to replace VC.

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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#24 » by The_Child_Prodigy » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:26 am

As we know Lebron wants to become the first billionaire athlete.

Cleveland can offer more money, but Lebron will get way more endorsements(with higher pay) here. Barclays will be our Arena sponsor. Who better to plaster all over the banks or ads then Lebron? Win for everyone.

We just got a big Chinese player. Chinese will be lined up at 3 in the morning to watch there boy, just imagine what Lebron can draw. Lebron taps more into Asia.

On top of that, huge companies would rather a guy the pay huge bucks in a big market. Why not have him in the biggest market in the US?

Catching. He'd make more here.

We just have to be better than Cleveland. As of now, Cleveland is awful without Lebron. Lebron IS Cleveland. He will have a better supporting cast here. We don't have to be maxed out at every position. Lopez, Williams, Boone, Yi, Harris, CDR, Anderson and then the possible 3 more first rounders will do it.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#25 » by jeff1624 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:28 am

they really overpaid Deng. Don't get me wrong, he's a nice player and all but 80 Mil for a 2nd option??
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#26 » by Tommy Udo 6 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:43 am

jeff1624 wrote:they really overpaid Deng. Don't get me wrong, he's a nice player and all but 80 Mil for a 2nd option??


Slightly overpaid but it is basically the same contract offered last year just extended a year. Average is $11.8 million as compared to last years $11.5 million

The incentives depend on him making the all Star team. Highly unlikely, so consider it just a $71 million deal

Bulls needed to provide fans with some decent players. after all, Bulls usually make a $60 million profit per season. they certainly can afford this.

They can afford Gordon too but they will not pay him since he has no one coming after him. Deng was a commodity that many others wanted too
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#27 » by jeff1624 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:28 am

True, I guess it bothers me the amount of money ''nice'' players like Okafor and Deng are getting. But if bulls fans don't complain about it, their's no reason for me to.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#28 » by lurkingobeiscity » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:40 am

MrDollarBills wrote:I'm not being a dream killer my friends, i am being realistic here....unless the CBA has changed w/o my knowledge, Cleveland can offer Lebron a higher contract than we can...so our max is different from the max that the cavs can give him.

As of now, the "Lebron to NJ 2010!! OMG!!!" talk is pure fantasy if you ask me and I also blame Nets management(not Rod and Kiki, but that snake Ratner and his crew of scumbags who are taking this team out of this state for nothing more than a shady real estate deal) for continuing to add fuel to the fire of this...POPPYCOCK...about lebron coming here...and if the Cavs continue to try and build a team around him that works, he's not gonna jump ship for less money and uncertainty that the Nets will offer. We have to be very mindful of how Cleveland conducts business over the next two seasons...its not some foregone conclusion.

Its not a sure thing either way, but realistically, if we are going to have money free in 2010 im not getting my hopes up that lebron will walk away from less money to sign to us just because Jay Z is his idol....and the Nike 100 million rumors are not based on any facts. We have to pray that the next two seasons in Cleveland go AWFUL basketball wise and FINANCIALLY, and that i doubt because Lebron probably makes then so much cash that they'd have no problem doing what it takes to keep him there and surrounding him with talent...the money isnt just the only factor here.


Let's say the cap is set at about 63 million in that Lebron year. This would put the maximum salary ANY team can offer at about 19 million (30% of the cap). The team that has Lebron's bird rights (Cleveland) can also offer 105% of his previous contract if that is more than 19 million (which it isn't) Cleveland has a slight advantage in that it can offer one year longer on a contract (a player of Lebron's wouldn't want too many years since 3 years after 2010 he can be signed for 35% of the cap) and also can offer 10.5% annual raises while other teams can only offer 8%.

The Cavs offer would be:
19,000,000
20,995,000
23,199,475
25,635,420 - player option
28,327,139
31,301,488

The Nets offer would be:
19,000,000
20,520,000
22,161,600
23,934,528 - player option
25,849,290

Yes the Cavs can offer a bit more money and more years. The Nets can offer New York, and everything that comes with that. NY means that ownership has all the money needed to pay for a winner. It is yet one more draw to prospective free agents, MLE or otherwise. It is a marketing goldmine. The increase in regional endorsements (let alone everything else) would more than cover the difference in contracts. The Nets can offer Lebron a chance to be bigger than Jordan and Chicago.

The key will be for Cleveland to fail to win a championship, and for the Nets to add other pieces that could make the Lebron led Nets a dynasty. As far as the Cavs having money and being able to surround Lebron with talent.... The Knicks have shown that money alone (though it helps... see Portland) doesn't get talent. Patience, cap flexibility, draft picks, and trade assets are the key to amassing talent, and frankly I don't think the Cavs can do it in the next two years. They would need a Gasol type deal to fall right in their laps... and there are other teams they have to outbid.

We also have to keep in mind that something like this is a best case scenario. There are a lot of variables to Lebron coming to NY, but still, the reward is multiple championships, and even if the Nets don't get Lebron they can still become a contender in 2010.

BTW, Ratner and Brooklyn are the best possible things for this franchise.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#29 » by Preludepunk27 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:26 pm

Yeah people have to realize that we're putting the best cost efficient team on the court in the time being to conserve a little cash...but actually PLAYING in New York gives us a lot more avenues to explore in terms of marketing. Yeah it's only like a 20 mile move but you'd be surprised. If Yi pans out, he alone will bring in a huge revenue stream. If we get Lebron, having him will only add to all that. We'd be fine paying the lux tax as long as our profits cover the taxes which it probably would.

And it's not a lie about Lebron making more from Nike if he was in New York. I explained this a few months ago. It's not that his contract says "if you go to a major market (meaning New York, Chicago, or LA) we will give you X amount of dollars more." His contract gives him a base amount of cash every year...but also gets a percentage of the revenue Nike earns off him. Trust me, playing in New York will increase that revenue which is the way he earns more money. Why do you think when Kobe demanded a trade last summer most critics were saying that the best possible destinations for him were Chicago or New York? Like I said, besides LA, they are the best possible places to market him. People say Lebron and Kobe's name sells themself which in a sense is true but that's on a US standpoint.

If you've taken a global economics class, you're see that 99% of the rest of the world could not point to Cleveland on a map of the US, but most of them could point to New York or LA. There is a stigma around the world when they here the words New York or LA. Yes they recognize the names Kobe and Lebron, but adding them to a recognizable entity such as New York or LA only adds to the mystique about them.

I'm not trying to convince you that Lebron is a lock for New York or LA or anything, I'm just trying to help people understand the global economics of the grand scheme of things. If you don't believe me, take a piece of paper, split it into 3 columns. Write down 10 things intriguing about New York, LA and Cleveland. Evaluate that list. I guarantee your list for New York or LA would be more enticing than Clevelands. Could you even come up with 10 things intriguing about Cleveland? That alone is a rough estimate on showing you the power of a major market over a market like Cleveland and that's only on a US Level. Travel even to the most civilized place in Europe and ask them to name the top 3 places they'd like to visit in the United States. I guarantee everybody will have either New York or LA on that list. How many would have Cleveland? Maybe 1 if you ran into Lebron's mother abroad.

This is just simple economics which if why, yes Lebron can sign a slightly bigger deal with Cleveland, but it's not significant in comparison to the opportunities of a major market.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#30 » by S.I.C. GM » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:19 pm

Please I have one thing to say that trumps all of this nonsense.

Shaq left a decent market(Orlando is and was better then Cleveland) to go to a great one(LA). So the idea that Cleveland can pay him more and that he can be a global ICON with the technology and media in Cleveland is a crock of cow dung.

If the Lebron wants to come to NY for whatever reason, All he has to say to Cleveland is ---> "It has been fun here, but I have bigger plans then to be a Hometown guy. I want to be a NET. Anyway, Me, Yi, and Jay-Z will be having a concert on the Great Wall of China."
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#31 » by Preludepunk27 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:23 pm

^^^^ That would make a great reality show. ALMOST as good as my idea a few years ago to have a reality show with Nenad, Little Z and Scalabrine living together in New York City.

I can picture Jay Z rapping on the wall while Lebron is trying to look cool just chillin watching his boy and Yi going balistic trying to break dance and stuff.
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#32 » by LBJ TO BK 08 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:24 pm

chi town will never be in the race for lebron the grizzles have a better shot... lebron doesnt want to go into jordans city and have to be compared to him... whichever lebron vaules more... the garden (which i think looks like a toliet bowl when you look up) or playin for jayz one of the all time greatest rapppers...city of brookyln which has no pro team since jackie r...and yeh that nice areana they are building in lebrons favorite burrough
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#33 » by sonny » Thu Aug 7, 2008 3:32 pm

All we have to do is move Kirk and Noc for contracts that expire before 2010, and let Gooden walk and we have enough to go after a big time FA
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Re: OT: Deng close to signing with Bulls 

Post#34 » by Tommy Udo 6 » Sat Aug 9, 2008 2:51 pm

sonny wrote:All we have to do is move Kirk and Noc for contracts that expire before 2010, and let Gooden walk and we have enough to go after a big time FA


Kirk isnt being traded this year - but Bulls will try to move Gordon (now that he is refusing final offer of 6 yrs/$59 million), Nocioni and Hughes. Gooden is available if necessary but Bulls seem more inclined to just let him expire

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