Yankees new catcher Pudge Rodriguez

[TKF]

dude get the 3 series, end of story, period

hahaha.. the audi a3 is one heck of a car tho.... and hard to beat for the price..

[Da Schwab]

I just got home from work, and these 2 trades had my jaw on the floor. I am so happy Farnsworthless is finally gone.

Though, I never did think I'd ever see Pudge in pinstripes.

[Pharmcat]

dude get the 3 series, end of story, period

hahaha.. the audi a3 is one heck of a car tho.... and hard to beat for the price..

yea i know, i have an A6, and once i graduate, im getting a 3 series

the 3 series is prolly the best all round car on the road right now

[Markos]

And I also forgot, lets remember that Pudge is in the final year of his deal and is a .300 hitting catcher with plus defense. That means type A free agent, which means a 1st rd pick and supplemental pick in return when he leaves this winter. Wow.

First of all its not guaranteed that Irod will be a type A free agent. This winter is a relatively strong FA hitting class and its more than likely that he will slip into the type B category. Farnsworth has a better chance of being a Type A free agent than does Rodriguez.

Ok say that he is a Type A free agent. The Yankees offer him arbitration and hope he rejects it. If he does accept, the least amount of $$ he will make in arbitration is 7.5 million dollars. (25% drop of current amount) Does anybody think he can do better in FA. Who would want to give big money to a 37 year old catcher and lose two high draft picks.....of course its possible..remotely, but not the lock that you are making it out to be


As far as 'genius' Cashman selling high, what do you think the Tigers GM did? Pudge just got hot and increased his value. I mean the guy had a 284 OBP in 2007....quite the opposite of the Yankee philosophy

PS: Defense doesnt matter in selecting A or B agents...its the previous 2 offensive seasons

[Jitpal]

And I also forgot, lets remember that Pudge is in the final year of his deal and is a .300 hitting catcher with plus defense. That means type A free agent, which means a 1st rd pick and supplemental pick in return when he leaves this winter. Wow.

First of all its not guaranteed that Irod will be a type A free agent. This winter is a relatively strong FA hitting class and its more than likely that he will slip into the type B category. Farnsworth has a better chance of being a Type A free agent than does Rodriguez.

Ok say that he is a Type A free agent. The Yankees offer him arbitration and hope he rejects it. If he does accept, the least amount of $$ he will make in arbitration is 7.5 million dollars. (25% drop of current amount) Does anybody think he can do better in FA. Who would want to give big money to a 37 year old catcher and lose two high draft picks.....of course its possible..remotely, but not the lock that you are making it out to be


As far as 'genius' Cashman selling high, what do you think the Tigers GM did? Pudge just got hot and increased his value. I mean the guy had a 284 OBP in 2007....quite the opposite of the Yankee philosophy

PS: Defense doesnt matter in selecting A or B agents...its the previous 2 offensive seasons

How is it not likely? Free agency status is determined by position and league and there aren't too many catchers out there hitting .295. Joe Mauer, Jorge Posada, Victor Martinez(although he may drop because of this year), and who else? He's essentially a top 5 offensive catcher over the past 2 years. That's type A. Farnsworth's 4.80 ERA and 1.45 WHIP last year pretty much make him a type B at best.

He's a Scott Boras client, he will not accept arbitration. Teams are desperate for catchers that can hit. Someone will offer him 3 years. He doesn't like splitting time with Inge in Detroit, why would he come here to be Posada's backup? No, the Yankees will offer arbitration and some team with a young pitching staff and shot to make the playoffs will sign him. Probably a NL team. Maybe even the Mets if Omar is around. Regardless, if does accept it is a 20% drop not 25% which would mean 10.6 million.

Supposedly, this was not Dumbrowski's idea. Pudge went to him and told him he wanted to be traded to the Yankees. They spoke to Boras, who demanded compensation(surprise) then Pudge got on the phone and told Boras to get out of the way. Pudge waived, they asked Cashman for Farnsworth, he agreed and the rest is history. It really doesn't matter what his OBP was last year, in terms of production this year, he has been hot the past month and if he stays hot or at around .300 for the last 2 months and October the Yankees get everything they could hope for.

For reference here is the listing of Catcher rankings from last year. Link. Pudge is tied for sixth and the only guy who would climb up that list is Navarro. Varitek, Martinez, Hernandez and Posada will drop. Pudge is also having a better year this year than last year. I would expect him to be a type A. -Jitpal

[VinnyTheMick]

As far as 'genius' Cashman selling high, what do you think the Tigers GM did?

Something like this:

"Hey Pudge, what's that? You want to be traded to the Yankees? Ok. Let's see if we can get a reliever in exchange."

[nykgeneralmanager]

And I also forgot, lets remember that Pudge is in the final year of his deal and is a .300 hitting catcher with plus defense. That means type A free agent, which means a 1st rd pick and supplemental pick in return when he leaves this winter. Wow.

First of all its not guaranteed that Irod will be a type A free agent. This winter is a relatively strong FA hitting class and its more than likely that he will slip into the type B category. Farnsworth has a better chance of being a Type A free agent than does Rodriguez.

Ok say that he is a Type A free agent. The Yankees offer him arbitration and hope he rejects it. If he does accept, the least amount of $$ he will make in arbitration is 7.5 million dollars. (25% drop of current amount) Does anybody think he can do better in FA. Who would want to give big money to a 37 year old catcher and lose two high draft picks.....of course its possible..remotely, but not the lock that you are making it out to be


As far as 'genius' Cashman selling high, what do you think the Tigers GM did? Pudge just got hot and increased his value. I mean the guy had a 284 OBP in 2007....quite the opposite of the Yankee philosophy

PS: Defense doesnt matter in selecting A or B agents...its the previous 2 offensive seasons

I forgot the link, but the guy who does the formula lists Pudge as type A. The free agent class does not matter, as it goes by position. And with catcher being as weak as it is, a .300 hitting catcher such as Pudge is all but a lock to be a type A free agent. Farnsworth has zero chance of being a type A, he is not even a closer. He is just a middle reliever with a 3.6 ERA and 1.4 WHIP.

If Pudge finishes up strong this season, I'd be shocked if he would accept arbitration. A strong finish would mean he has one last chance to get a multi year contract, and he wouldn't pass that up just for arbitration. With the way the catching position has been watered down, he can certainly find a two year deal out there somewhere if he is hitting .290 and throwing out 36% of baserunners as he currently is.

Sure Pudge got hot and was dealt, but he is a hall of fame catcher with a track record. Farnsworth literally just had ONE good month in his entire Yankees career, ONE month...and then was dealt for a hall of fame catcher who is a proven winner and leader. Farnsworth was the least trust worthy reliever on the staff, and Girardi showed that in Fenway last Friday when he couldn't wait to run out of the dugout to bring Mo in the game the second Farnsworth allowed 2 on with 1 out. Farnsworth is a terrible middle reliever, and an even worse closer...Pudge has a long track record of greatness and if he provides anything offensively over the next two months, the trade is a complete steal.

The Yanks just got some real value in return for Farnsworthless and I can't believe we have to debate whether or not it was even a good deal.

[VinnyTheMick]

Pudge flew his whole friggin family into to NY to see his first game as a Yankee. The guy obviously wants to be here & wants to help us win.