Mavs should be pursuing Vince Carter

JordansBulls · Post #1 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:09 pm

Now that the Rockets have acquired Ron Artest that for sure throws another contender out west. Also since Nenad Krstic went to Europe this may be the time the Nets decide to part with Carter for cheap. Maybe something of the nature of Stackhouse and Eddie Jones and 2nd round pick for Vince Carter would give you guys a team with 3 scoring options as well.

littlemav · Post #2 » by **littlemav** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:15 pm

if we could get carter for that we better be all over that. I have a feeling its going to take more than that though

Post #3 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:26 pm

Vince Carter still has the followed owed to him.

$15,200,000

$16,300,000

$17,300,000

$18,000,000 - Player Option

It's going to be very difficult to acquire him due to that type of money. I also bet New Jersey feels good about the team making the playoffs or battling for the 8th spot if they can stay healthy. I doubt we have anything New Jersey would want except for Dirk and I don't see them handing him over for cap space.

Rand10 · Post #4 » by **Rand10** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:33 pm

Best case scenario for us:

Dallas Out: Terry, Bass, Jones, 2009 2nd
Dallas In: Carter

Cleveland Out: Snow, 2009 1st
Cleveland In: Terry

New Jersey Out: Carter
New Jersey In: Bass, Jones, Snow, 2009 1st and 2nd

Odds of happening: 0.5%

aschneider970 · Post #5 » by **aschneider970** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:37 pm

i wish we got VC for scraps

Pointguard01 · Post #6 » by **Pointguard01** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:39 pm

I dont see why New Jersey would do it. They already have young PFs in Sean Williams & Ji Yianlian that need to get playing time, and Bass is our only young asset to trade. We have no 1st round picks to give until 2012 I think, and NJ doesnt want a pure salary dump for Carter. Not happening.

BTW, Stack + Jones doesnt equal Carter's salary I dont think. but...

JordansBulls · Post #7 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:41 pm

HMFFL wrote:Vince Carter still has the followed owed to him.

$15,200,000

$16,300,000

$17,300,000

$18,000,000 - Player Option

It's going to be very difficult to acquire him due to that type of money. I also bet New Jersey feels good about the team making the playoffs or battling for the 8th spot if they can stay healthy. I doubt we have anything New Jersey would want except for Dirk and I don't see them handing him over for cap space.

What good is it to make the playoffs and have to play Boston in the 1st round. I think the Nets would rather just start over then have to pay someone who is now in his early 30's that much for another 4 years.
The Mavs do this because their championship window is running out but this move puts them right back in the mix of things out west.

Pointguard01 · Post #8 » by **Pointguard01** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:45 pm

Go ask New Jersey fans about your proposal and see what they say. I guarnetee they wont be as nice as we are.

dirkforpres · Post #9 » by **dirkforpres** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:38 am

Mavs are too stupid to trade their trash for a star player. The past 6 months have proved that

Teffer10 · Post #10 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:43 am

Pointguard01 wrote:I dont see why New Jersey would do it. They already have young PFs in Sean Williams & Ji Yianlian that need to get playing time, and Bass is our only young asset to trade. We have no 1st round picks to give until 2012 I think, and NJ doesnt want a pure salary dump for Carter. Not happening.

BTW, Stack + Jones doesnt equal Carter's salary I dont think. but...

No it doesn't...we would have to add someone else. That salary dump might look pretty good to them as the season progresses though. I think our only chance is around TDL to get him which is probably a slim one. I would bet that his contract makes him very undesireable to most teams. However, the way the west is going, it wouldn't surprise me to see a legit contender make a move for him.

Teffer10 · Post #11 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:50 am

JordansBulls wrote:The Mavs do this because their championship window is running out but this move puts them right back in the mix of things out west.

Realisticaly, the Mavs have only 2 long-shots left at improving to contention level. That is acquiring Marion or VC (or someone of their caliber) without giving up Howard, Kidd, or Dirk.

We all should know by now that has about a 0% chance of happening.

TIME TO REBUILD...PERIOD!!!

Why is this so difficult for Donnie and Mark to understand?

italy_23 · Post #12 » by **italy_23** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:20 am

it's sad but I think you are right.
marion or carter without giving up howard, kidd or dirk are the only chances left. and such a trade wont happen.

JordansBulls · Post #13 » by **JordansBulls** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:39 pm

italy_23 wrote:it's sad but I think you are right.
marion or carter without giving up howard, kidd or dirk are the only chances left. and such a trade wont happen.

Why not? The Nets are the team that needs to rebuild not the Mavs. The Nets moving to Brooklyn and they need to cut costs and salary for the free agent push in 2010. This is why they trade Carter for expiring contracts.

Teffer10 · Post #14 » by **Teffer10** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:57 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Why not? The Nets are the team that needs to rebuild not the Mavs. The Nets moving to Brooklyn and they need to cut costs and salary for the free agent push in 2010. This is why they trade Carter for expiring contracts.

I suggested Stack and George (S&T 1 year $6M) for VC at the beginning of the offseason and it didn't go over to well with Mav or Nets fans.
My thoughts were exactly like yours because I thought the Nets wanted to dump VC.

VC is the only slim hope that we have if this team wants to win with Dirk. Marion or anyone else is simply not realistic without giving up one of our top 3.

They will want an expiring and some youth/draft picks for him.

Portland could be a serious contender next season (if not already) if they would trade LaFrentz, Outlaw, and Webster for VC.

Post #15 » by **DDansby123** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:47 am

I don't think Carter brings us much closer to a championship. At this point, we pretty much have to have a two-way player at the SG spot, because the PG and SF (Kidd and Josh) simply aren't good enough on either end to pick up the slack for a one-dimensional guard.

Think about the 5 teams we're clearly behind: LAL, SAS, NOH, Utah, and HOU. Just in that group, our PG, SG, and SF will have to defend Kobe, Ginobili, Parker, Paul, Peja, Williams, McGrady, and Artest. Oh, and if they do well on the defensive end, they still have to combine for probably 50+ PPG on the other end of the court for us to win in the playoffs.

A Kidd-VC-Josh combo wouldn't get it done, IMO, particularly on the defensive end.

And don't forget the fact that we have to defend Gasol, Bynum, Duncan, West, Chandler, Boozer, Okur, and Yao in that group as well...with Dirk, Damp, and Diop. Yikes!

Bottom line, IMO, is that Carter would need a defensive stopper next to him to make this thing work. We don't have that...and Josh ain't even close. A better alternative (if we're keeping Josh) would be a 13-15 PPG SG who can play above-average defense. Ricky Davis would've been a good candidate, IMO.

Rand10 · Post #16 » by **Rand10** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:10 am

DDansby123 wrote:I don't think Carter brings us much closer to a championship.

It depends on what you get him for. If we can bring him in without giving up Howard, I think we would improve dramatically. It's not like the Mavs play defense for 48 minutes and every other team in the league plays on the offensive end. They have to guard us too. A Kidd/Carter/Howard/Dirk/Damp lineup would be very tough to stop.

Defensively we wouldn't be elite, but Carter is a big upgrade from what we have at the 2 now. He's no stopper, but I don't think he's the huge liability you're making him out to be where Howard and Kidd have to "pick up the slack" for him.

Teffer10 · Post #17 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:23 am

I am one of the few that wished Ricky Davis would have been in our strategy. I didn't think we could do any better and it looks like we won't.

I understand what you are saying about VC and it will be a long shot for us even if we did get him. If NJ would go for a Stack/Bass/George (probably would need to include a 3rd team because they have no interest in Bass) for VC, the Mavs should then offer Terry or Damp and Howard for Marion. Both of those moves are long shots but that is about the only way that I see us becoming even close to contenders.

Kidd, VC, Marion, Dirk, Diop would be a core that would put us in contention again.

This season is going to be painful to watch compared to what we have been accustomed to for the past 6 or so years.

Post #18 » by **DDansby123** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:55 pm

Teffer, you saw exactly where I was going. If you want to add a defensive liability (and, yes, Carter is just that), then you have to upgrade the defense somewhere else...and that's easiest to do on the wings. Marion, most of us have agreed, is a better fit with Kidd than Josh Howard, and I think he would fit better as a defensive stopper because, frankly, he wants that role more than Josh does (I don't think Josh wants it at all). And Marion's salary helps, too.

Now, the only problem I have with the team you describe is the total lack of depth. And on a team of 30-somethings, that's dangerous.

sweet daddy · Post #19 » by **sweet daddy** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:26 pm

It's a spooky thought that we're down to hoping for a trade for VC to put us over the top. Man, are we finally looking at the demise of the Mavs?

Well, who knows. Renting Hall of Famers to win a ring finally worked for somebody this year. Maybe we should try it. I'd like to us get one more shot at a ring during the Dirk years.

Teffer10 · Post #20 » by **Teffer10** » Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:03 pm

DDansby123 wrote:Now, the only problem I have with the team you describe is the total lack of depth. And on a team of 30-somethings, that's dangerous.

If we could get that core, I wouldn't be too concerned about the bench. That was the big concern with Boston going into last season and they seemed to be able to pick up some useful pieces along the way.

I'd be fairly comfortable with picking up guys like Fin and going with some of our youth (Green, Wright, Rhodes, Singleton, etc...) as backups.

I think this current roster is capable of playing with any team in the league for 45 minutes. Its those last 3 minutes that make me cringe.