What do the Mavericks need to do at this point?
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What do the Mavericks need to do at this point?
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What do the Mavericks need to do at this point?
According to Shamsports the Mavericks will have a payroll of $93.6 million next season.
Now they have been an elite team for the past 3-4 years in the NBA. However, many other teams in the west have gotten better and even surpassed the Mavs.
Considering how high their payroll is and also considering that they still are a good team to win it all, what should the Mavericks really do?
1) Begin the process of Rebuilding the team
2) Cut back salaries to avoid the luxury tax
3) Try to get another star player (such as Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, without giving up much)
4) Just go into the season and give everything they have with the team they have now
Now they have been an elite team for the past 3-4 years in the NBA. However, many other teams in the west have gotten better and even surpassed the Mavs.
Considering how high their payroll is and also considering that they still are a good team to win it all, what should the Mavericks really do?
1) Begin the process of Rebuilding the team
2) Cut back salaries to avoid the luxury tax
3) Try to get another star player (such as Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, without giving up much)
4) Just go into the season and give everything they have with the team they have now

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trade jho to the cavs
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5) dont suck
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tough situation TO MAKE A DECISION, but not that bad in general IMO ..
I don't think they can win with their current team, so that's out of the picture..the Mavs have had their chances..they had arguably the biggest meltdown in NBA history in 2006..they were a 67-win team the year after..they've had their chances, and you don't get too many of those in the NBA..
it's difficult because they already gave away Devin Harris, who would have been a big part of their future..but on the other side, they have an aging player in Kidd, and Dirk isn't getting any younger..so they could go the route of "do anything to win" and acquire a Vince Carter type, but without giving up much..
if they do decide to rebuild, they can get some value for Josh Howard, who MIGHT be attractive to other teams that think he could have untapped potential..if they wanna go even further, they could trade Dirk and get as much value as possible..I wouldn't do it, but they could possibly get a big expiring contract in return for 2010, and start over from there..
while the Mavs have choked their opportunities, I think they are in a decent position where they can go down either road..I don't like #4 though, they aren't winning with their current team..
I don't think they can win with their current team, so that's out of the picture..the Mavs have had their chances..they had arguably the biggest meltdown in NBA history in 2006..they were a 67-win team the year after..they've had their chances, and you don't get too many of those in the NBA..
it's difficult because they already gave away Devin Harris, who would have been a big part of their future..but on the other side, they have an aging player in Kidd, and Dirk isn't getting any younger..so they could go the route of "do anything to win" and acquire a Vince Carter type, but without giving up much..
if they do decide to rebuild, they can get some value for Josh Howard, who MIGHT be attractive to other teams that think he could have untapped potential..if they wanna go even further, they could trade Dirk and get as much value as possible..I wouldn't do it, but they could possibly get a big expiring contract in return for 2010, and start over from there..
while the Mavs have choked their opportunities, I think they are in a decent position where they can go down either road..I don't like #4 though, they aren't winning with their current team..
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Another star player. They have other pieces, maybe a new coach can shake things up. But I don't think Dirk is a legit 1st option.
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Find a way to correct their mistakes by turning Eric Dampier into Steve Nash somehow.
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Their window has closed. Just like the Kings after the 2003-2004 season where they lost in game 7 for the 3rd straight postseason in a row.
First they have to explore all their options in adding another veteran player i.e. Vince Carter.
If they can't, well they have to go at it for one more season with Kidd (it would be stupid to trade Harris for him just to make a run for one season). Once that fails, they'll need to blow it up.
Once that happens...Dirk may ask for a trade <greenfont> and he will unite with VC, LeBron and Harris in Brooklyn, after signing for 5 million, to win a 'ship.</greenfont>
Yeah, clearly not, after he lead his team to the NBA finals 2 years ago and won MVP
First they have to explore all their options in adding another veteran player i.e. Vince Carter.
If they can't, well they have to go at it for one more season with Kidd (it would be stupid to trade Harris for him just to make a run for one season). Once that fails, they'll need to blow it up.
Once that happens...Dirk may ask for a trade <greenfont> and he will unite with VC, LeBron and Harris in Brooklyn, after signing for 5 million, to win a 'ship.</greenfont>
Rasho Brezec wrote:Another star player. They have other pieces, maybe a new coach can shake things up. But I don't think Dirk is a legit 1st option.
Yeah, clearly not, after he lead his team to the NBA finals 2 years ago and won MVP
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The Mavs somehow need a way to make Dampier productive again. It can't be that a guy with so much salary misses half the playoffs b/c he (1) is always in foul trouble, (2) cannot play small ball to save his life and (3) -nicely put- plays best in NOVEMBER.
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Josh Howard needs to not suck.
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I still dun get it, why would Mavs trade their best prospects (Devin Harris) to someone that is in the twilight of his career. I think if they can repack the package and somehow land Chauncy Billups they would be in a lot better shape. NVM, J-HO just got arrest again, only god can save them now.
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I chose option 4, because I don't see how they can acquire additional talent without giving up talent.
Let's say Dallas does want Vince Carter, and the premise here is that in order for this to be a win for Dallas, they can't give up much. That's a tall order, but here we go.
Dallas is way over the cap (08-09 salaries @ $84,206,201) and New Jersey is over the cap by a few million (08-09 @ $62,167,820).
Now, Jew Jersey is looking pretty good next year. They could start this lineup:
PG Devin Harris
SG Vince Carter
SF Bobby Simmonds
PF Yi JianLian
C Brook Lopez
The New Jersey bench has depth too, with Dooling, Hayes, Williams, Boone, and Chris Douglas-Roberts. If I'm making the decisions in New Jersey, I'm pretty OK with letting this group play some basketball and see where it goes.
Now, back to Dallas. I'll assume that Dallas wants to keep Kidd, Nowitzki, Dampier, and Terry. Out of the remaing players, the guy that sticks out to me as having the most trade value is 28-year-old Josh Howard, due to make $9,945,000 next year. Vince is due $15,200,000 - Dallas needs to sweeten the pot, and here's where I think it gets tricky.
If I'm New Jersey, and I'm giving up Vince Carter, I want Josh Howard and another player of significance. What player does Dallas have to make the trade happen? From New Jersey's point of view, who on the Dallas roster would be an upgrade over the players they already have (remember, we're excluding Kidd, Nowitzki, Dampier, and Terry)?
Jerry Stackhouse? Eddie Jones? Brandon Bass? Gerald Green? Again, New Jersey is giving up VC, and they would likely want Howard + another impact player. I don't see how the two sides could come to an agreement, with the imposed "not giving up much" restriction from Dallas' camp.
This would likely play out the same with most other trade parters. Dallas wanting to give up little, but improve substantially via trade, seems like nothing but wishful thinking. I think Dallas has to ride out 08-09 as they are, or blow the whole thing up and rebuild from scratch.
Let's say Dallas does want Vince Carter, and the premise here is that in order for this to be a win for Dallas, they can't give up much. That's a tall order, but here we go.
Dallas is way over the cap (08-09 salaries @ $84,206,201) and New Jersey is over the cap by a few million (08-09 @ $62,167,820).
Now, Jew Jersey is looking pretty good next year. They could start this lineup:
PG Devin Harris
SG Vince Carter
SF Bobby Simmonds
PF Yi JianLian
C Brook Lopez
The New Jersey bench has depth too, with Dooling, Hayes, Williams, Boone, and Chris Douglas-Roberts. If I'm making the decisions in New Jersey, I'm pretty OK with letting this group play some basketball and see where it goes.
Now, back to Dallas. I'll assume that Dallas wants to keep Kidd, Nowitzki, Dampier, and Terry. Out of the remaing players, the guy that sticks out to me as having the most trade value is 28-year-old Josh Howard, due to make $9,945,000 next year. Vince is due $15,200,000 - Dallas needs to sweeten the pot, and here's where I think it gets tricky.
If I'm New Jersey, and I'm giving up Vince Carter, I want Josh Howard and another player of significance. What player does Dallas have to make the trade happen? From New Jersey's point of view, who on the Dallas roster would be an upgrade over the players they already have (remember, we're excluding Kidd, Nowitzki, Dampier, and Terry)?
Jerry Stackhouse? Eddie Jones? Brandon Bass? Gerald Green? Again, New Jersey is giving up VC, and they would likely want Howard + another impact player. I don't see how the two sides could come to an agreement, with the imposed "not giving up much" restriction from Dallas' camp.
This would likely play out the same with most other trade parters. Dallas wanting to give up little, but improve substantially via trade, seems like nothing but wishful thinking. I think Dallas has to ride out 08-09 as they are, or blow the whole thing up and rebuild from scratch.
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Kobay wrote:Josh Howard needs to not suck.
Yep. If he returns to 06-07 form I think Dallas is a better team than they're getting credit for, but apparently he still has some issues.
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Not much they can do.. They are pretty much stuck... No one will take on Jason Terry and Dampiers contracts... They can trade Howard but they wont get a better player in return....
Only way they are gonna get better is if they tank and get a good pick (wait do they even have a pick next year)
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Trade Dirk and Howard for youth and picks (I doubt Cuban has the balls to trade Dirk)
Only way they are gonna get better is if they tank and get a good pick (wait do they even have a pick next year)
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Trade Dirk and Howard for youth and picks (I doubt Cuban has the balls to trade Dirk)
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They really need another star. The Kidd trade has been a failure and Howard is slowly turning into a bit of a headcase. Spending the full MLE on Diop was a horrible move when there were far more talented players available.
I wouldn't give up on them just yet though, as Rick Carlisle is an elite coach who gets more out of his talent than anyone else in the league imo.
I wouldn't give up on them just yet though, as Rick Carlisle is an elite coach who gets more out of his talent than anyone else in the league imo.
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I still think they shot themselves in the foot by shipping out Devin Harris.
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I'm not a big Harris fan, and I think shipping his $8M/yr for Kidd's expiring was worth it capwise regardless of the on-court product. That said, giving this firsts kinda killed things... at this point, Dallas has no recourse but to go for it. I don't think they'll succeed, but they can only lose if they don't try.
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Dallas traded for Kidd because of his obvious talent, but they were tired of getting abused by big PG's with Harris and Terry. Now the bad thing is that Kidd gets abused by small quick guards, and Chris Paul was basically playing games with him, and their was nothing Kidd could do about it.
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That Nicka wrote:Not much they can do.. They are pretty much stuck... No one will take on Jason Terry and Dampiers contracts... They can trade Howard but they wont get a better player in return....
Only way they are gonna get better is if they tank and get a good pick (wait do they even have a pick next year)
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Trade Dirk and Howard for youth and picks (I doubt Cuban has the balls to trade Dirk)
I was thinking they could get Vince Carter. Trading Stackhouse and Eddie Jones with a 2nd round pick would work because it frees up cap space for the Nets in 2010 and gets rid of Vince's contract.
This is good for the Mavs because it still gives them 2-3 years to win a title.

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Trade Josh Howard and 1st rounder for Luther Head...
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Mavs need a guy who's really good scoring in the paint to go with Dirk. Not sure how that can be done, though.
Like has been said numerous times, I'd try trading for Vince Carter. Or look into Iverson, or even Carmelo. Doubt Denver's going to blow it all up and end the Carmelo-era, though. I can see the opposite for AI, though.
Kidd/AI/Dirk with shooters, defenders, and rebounders... already got a couple defensive big men in Diop/Dampier. Everybody would complement eachother, and there would be team balance and compatability. They'd be a fun team to watch, and a title contender. At least should be. Dirk would have the best supporting cast he's ever had, in terms of all-around (not just offense), and offensive versatility.
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Defender/shooter/offensive deferer
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Dirk over time has proven not to work too well as the #1 guy, because of his lacking inside game, and can be slowed down significantly with the right type of defense. Thus, when Dirk's not scoring well, he's not at his best, and the offensive drop-off to the rest of the team is too much.
Like has been said numerous times, I'd try trading for Vince Carter. Or look into Iverson, or even Carmelo. Doubt Denver's going to blow it all up and end the Carmelo-era, though. I can see the opposite for AI, though.
Kidd/AI/Dirk with shooters, defenders, and rebounders... already got a couple defensive big men in Diop/Dampier. Everybody would complement eachother, and there would be team balance and compatability. They'd be a fun team to watch, and a title contender. At least should be. Dirk would have the best supporting cast he's ever had, in terms of all-around (not just offense), and offensive versatility.
Kidd
AI
Defender/shooter/offensive deferer
Dirk
Diop
Dirk over time has proven not to work too well as the #1 guy, because of his lacking inside game, and can be slowed down significantly with the right type of defense. Thus, when Dirk's not scoring well, he's not at his best, and the offensive drop-off to the rest of the team is too much.