Harrell may miss season

[Mags FTW]

I still hold to what I thought on draft day when they picked Harrell. Not a good pick.

And who did you want them to pick instead???

And what did you think about all of the other picks???

I'm sorry, but I hate posts like this...

Why? The guy gave an oppnion that is totally relevant to team transactions and the subsequent impact on the roster which is the heart of the purpose of this website.. You loved the pick didn't you?

I was hoping for Reggie Nelson or Meachum. Knew little about Harrell.

Last time i checked, this site is called RealGM where fans of teams like to play quasi-GM and they give their opinions pro or nay to draft picks, trades, or other forms of player transactions.

IMHO, there's a difference between stating your opinion before or right after a pick is made, as opposed to giving your thoughts over a year after the fact. Especially when you are newer person who can't be bumped in our draft day thread. (which we've already done once )

[eagle13]

IMHO, there's a difference between stating your opinion before or right after a pick is made, as opposed to giving your thoughts over a year after the fact. Especially when you are newer person who can't be bumped in our draft day thread. (which we've already done once )

Convention says one cannot evaluate a rookie early on. While it is still early - every year that goes by is more relevant to comment on player and the success of that draft. Expect lots of comments on Harrell from me as more time passes. I hope he yet pans out but I never would have picked him. And when you bumped the draft day thread my statement WAS in there. A new guy has just as much right to comment - he is not barred from commenting on relevant issues just because he wasn't with RealGM then. With an attitude of censorship like yours you should never be considered for a moderator spot.

I repeat - You loved the pick didn't you?

[Mags FTW]

I repeat - You loved the pick didn't you?

Like I said, I didn't really know alot about him, so I didn't have an opinion. I bumped the reactions in this thread.
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[jakecronus8]

I too am still in shock that we didn't draft Reggie Nelson or take the Cleveland deal.

[rilamann]

Cant get on TT much at all for this pick,you cant expect every move he makes to be a home run.

Besides,Harrell could still pan out (if he can stay healthy) he hasnt even begun his 2nd season yet.I wouldnt give up all hope just yet.

Lets just hope TT's ''Ryan Grant'' this season is a DT.

[Mags FTW]

I too am still in shock that we didn't draft Reggie Nelson or take the Cleveland deal.

Let me try and ease your pain a bit when it comes to the CLE deal.

Everyone originally thought that trade would have been a slam dunk because we assumed CLE would suck. But, lo and behold they had a good season and ended up with the 22nd pick this year. So we would have given up our #16 pick in the first in '07 for a #22 in '08 and a 2nd in '07. I'm going out to the bar and don't want to do the whole draft value chart thing, but I'm sure if you do the math on [#36 pick]minus[moving down from #16 to #22] it isn't that bad.

See you at the bar!



EDIT: I did the math and they essentially missed out on a late 2nd rounder. Not the end of the world.

[eagle13]

I too am still in shock that we didn't draft Reggie Nelson or take the Cleveland deal.

Let me try and ease your pain a bit when it comes to the CLE deal.

Everyone originally thought that trade would have been a slam dunk because we assumed CLE would suck. But, lo and behold they had a good season and ended up with the 22nd pick this year. So we would have given up our #16 pick in the first in '07 for a #22 in '08 and a 2nd in '07. I'm going out to the bar and don't want to do the whole draft value chart thing, but I'm sure if you do the math on [#36 pick]minus[moving down from #16 to #22] it isn't that bad.

See you at the bar!



EDIT: I did the math and they essentially missed out on a late 2nd rounder. Not the end of the world.

Ironically what Cleve gave us for Cory.
But you cannot discount having an extra 1st this yr regardless of spot. That is ridiculos.

Since we get cleve's 2nd either way - in draft day trade OR for Cory. So we draft Nelson either way.

bottom line - would you rather have Cory OR Harrell?

THAT was one of my objections to the pick (along with taking injured goods). We all knew - at least I did and I said so at the time - that picking a DT (harrell) was the handwriting on the wall for Cory who was in his last contract yr.

[Mags FTW]

But you cannot discount having an extra 1st this yr regardless of spot. That is ridiculos.

There is no such thing as extra.
1 '07 1st + 1 '08 1st= 2
0 '07 1st + 2 '08 1st= 2

Just because you have 2 in the same year doesn't mean you magically accumulated extra picks.

[eagle13]

But you cannot discount having an extra 1st this yr regardless of spot. That is ridiculos.

There is no such thing as extra.
1 '07 1st + 1 '08 1st= 2
0 '07 1st + 2 '08 1st= 2

Just because you have 2 in the same year doesn't mean you magically accumulated extra picks.

Duh. Mags are you really that bad at reading or comprehending? I said and quote above says extra pick THIS year. Meaning we had more than one this year. I never said we did not give up our 2007 pick. That was the trade. Do you follow or are you going to continue to argue using any little nit picky attempt you can dream up?

[Mags FTW]

1) Lighten up.

2) Why was it so important to have an "extra " 1st this year and none last year, as opposed to having 1 in each year?

[jakecronus8]

The deal i heard was we would have received Cleveland's second in last year's draft as well as swapping picks for rounds 3-7, AND Cleveland's first this year. so we would have had pick # 33 instead of 16, as well as moving up in every other round, and had picks 22 and 30 this year. So if that is true, we definitely made a mistake. Oh man, I just looked at the draft results and realized we passed on Leon Hall too. Ouch.

[eagle13]

The deal i heard was we would have received Cleveland's second in last year's draft as well as swapping picks for rounds 3-7, AND Cleveland's first this year. so we would have had pick # 33 instead of 16, as well as moving up in every other round, and had picks 22 and 30 this year. So if that is true, we definitely made a mistake. Oh man, I just looked at the draft results and realized we passed on Leon Hall too. Ouch.

Yeah and we actually could have used a DB last year and still could. Also if we did the trade we could have bundled both 1sts and moved up this year for a top CB or whatever. Either way Harrell SO FAR seems like a less than optimal choice. I hope he gets it together. But consider this from JS Online story -

"But the fact Harrell admittedly wasn't in condition before damaging his back is as an indictment to some degree of how he has approached his career with the Green Bay Packers."

2) Why was it so important to have an "extra " 1st this year and none last year, as opposed to having 1 in each year?

You are very confused, Seems you cannot keep track of your own questions. Let me help you get back on track - I stated last year's pick was wasted on Harrell - you asked what else? = my answer - drafting a different player OR the Cleve trade getting us a second 1st this year, a extra 2nd last, and keeping Cory. Either would have been better than using 1st on Harrell.

Then you ask your redundant question. Basically we could have either taken 2 players in 1st this year or as I said above - We could have bundled both 1sts and moved up. As well as having our extra 2nd from last year and still have Cory.

But whatever. I made my point. You can't follow. That's OK. Thanks for the spirited discussion.

[Mags FTW]

We could have bundled both 1sts and moved up.

As Cleveland proved, you don't need 2 firsts if you really want to move up.

Well, your whole argument is based on Williams>Harrell, which is true right now, but could change.

[El Duderino]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=779213

Great to see our first round pick coming off a worthless rookie season didn't feel the need to stay in shape during the offseaon.