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Best trade left? 

Post#1 » by Cyberstorm3000 » Sat Aug 2, 2008 4:41 pm

I think we could make this trade. The only problem may be Jordan's hatred of Stackhouse.
Dallas Trade Breakdown
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Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
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6-6 SG / SF from Temple
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina

This moves Josh to the 2. Gives us an athletic 3 that can score inside and play D. He is a great weekside blocker.
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Post#2 » by Rand10 » Sat Aug 2, 2008 5:02 pm

The only problem is Charlotte isn't look to give us one of their best players for free.
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Post#3 » by mffl_14 » Sat Aug 2, 2008 5:11 pm

Well as long as Charlotte is giving away players lets trade Barea for Okafor, come on there's no way Charlotte does that deal.
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Post#4 » by mffl_14 » Sat Aug 2, 2008 5:20 pm

I would rather do a Howard, Damp, Stack deal for Marion, Blount, and Banks

I think Marion would be so awesome in an offense with Kidd & Dirk, plus he can play D. Blount doesn't rebound as much as Damp but he'll score a little more down low plus we have Diop, and Banks just gives us a little more depth at the PG. I doubt Miami goes for it but they were really high (no pun intended) on Howard a while back.
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Post#5 » by jlp0807 » Sat Aug 2, 2008 6:56 pm

Damp & Stackhouse to Chicago for Larry Hughes and Andres Nocioni. It works in ESPN Trade Machine.

This gets the Bulls the big guy they need and $18M in salary that expires in 2010 to get DWade., without losing anyone significant.

This gets Dallas a roster that could match anyone in the league (but we'll have to sign Elson or some FA center)

Kidd, Hughes, Barea
JET, Green, Jones
Howard, Nocioni, Wright
Dirk, Bass
Diop, FA Center

Against smaller lineups we could play Dirk or Bass at the 5. Hughes and Nocioni are decent defenders that can score. What a lineup. Nocioni has about 5 years left but his contract is loaded in the front. Hughes' contract has about 2 years left. This puts us in great financial shape starting summer of 2009 (Kidds salary), 2010 (Hughes salary) and beyond.

Now our roster doesnt look that old anymore after this trade. Cubes I hope you're reading this.
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Post#6 » by Basketballmania » Sat Aug 2, 2008 8:13 pm

Josh Howard for Gerald Wallace, straight up.
If you can get rid of Stack as well for a nice pick-up, i would do it as well. but i think the straight up version is best for both teams. jordan also likes j-ho.
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Post#7 » by cdub71323 » Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:41 pm

The only way that the first trade would work is if Larry Brown wants his own players in there and wants to do that through free agency. He needs to face reality that they aren't going anywhere for a few years and Wallace really isn't a key piece to that. Jordan likes Howard because he is a part of the Jordan brand (for how much longer? no one knows for now), but I don't think Brown would want anything to do with a guy like Howard who gets lazy at times. I think the first trade has a better chance of working out than Howard for Wallace straight up if you include a 2nd rounder, even though Larry Brown has always had something against playing rookies.

I personally think that Wallace is the only real tradeable piece we can get. I think Howard's trade stock has dropped so much that you can count out Marion, Carmelo, Josh Smith, Vince Carter, etc. I think our best shots are at guys like Gerald Wallace, Travis Outlaw, and maybe Jamal Crawford.

What is killing us the most is the trade for Jason Kidd. I am not ragging on Kidd at all, but the pieces we gave up to get him is now killing us right now when we really need to make a trade. Giving us the two 1st rounders hurts a lot and it also hurts us because we aren't allowed to trade this year's 1st rounder as well. We could still have Devin Harris, whether we trade him or not now I guess would depend on who we could get. The other thing that kills us is Van Horn's contract which teams die for and would help us out a lot as well for a team that is looking to rebuild.

To me, it looks like the Mavs acquisition period is over. We have barely any money left for any free agent, if we decided to go that way, and we have barely any trade pieces left. As much as I want to get rid of Howard, I don't want to deplete our bench at the same time which is going to be hard to do
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Post#8 » by mffl_14 » Sun Aug 3, 2008 2:02 am

That's why I am for trading for expiring contracts even if it means our talent diminishes some because that's the only way we are going to re build. Not making the playoffs or getting bounced in the first round all equal the same thing no championship. I'm up for trading everyone but Dirk. I refuse to believe we are the T'wolves and we have to trade our franchise player, I think it's still manageable we just have to find the right deals.
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Post#9 » by JES12 » Sun Aug 3, 2008 4:47 am

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Post#10 » by italy_23 » Sun Aug 3, 2008 7:34 am

there are some bad ideas in this thread.
the cats would never do the first one. wallace for jones and stack??
the only one I'd consider would be josh, damp, stack for marion, blount, banks.

and NOOO to a damp, stack trade for hughes, noc. if you want noc for stack str8 up
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Post#11 » by jlp0807 » Sun Aug 3, 2008 4:32 pm

italy_23 wrote:there are some bad ideas in this thread.
the cats would never do the first one. wallace for jones and stack??
the only one I'd consider would be josh, damp, stack for marion, blount, banks.

and NOOO to a damp, stack trade for hughes, noc. if you want noc for stack str8 up


Stack for Noc staright up works. But if you think that JJ Barea is the answer 15-18 minutes per game as Kidds back up you are crazy. We really need a back up PG to help shoulder the load. Hughes would be a very solid backup. He is solid on D and can score. He would also bring some much needed backbone.

You have to give something to get something. Diop should be the starter this year. We might even be able to sign Francisco Elson or some other FA after this trade to back him up.

Dirk and Bass could play the 5 against most lineups as well.
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Post#12 » by Basketballmania » Sun Aug 3, 2008 6:40 pm

(eddie jones or) sign and trade devean george to miami for sign and trade Jason Williams
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Post#13 » by ray ray » Mon Aug 4, 2008 6:39 am

What about the Suns trade Boris Diaw and Alando Tucker for Josh Howard.

I know that talent for talent this trade would not be as good for you guys, but when you lok at the team aspect of it, it helps you out.

We both know that Dirk is not a back to the basket player. Dirk is more of a spot up shooter and is more effective when other people set him up for his shot. Boris Diaw is a great passer and can play with his back to the basket. Diaw's porblem is that he and Amare plays in the same spot in the court therefore, Diaw becomes less effective. You can put Dirk at the four and Diaw at the five so Dampier and Diop don't clog up the middle for Jones, Stackhouse and J Kidd. Boris is an exceptinal athlete, even D'Antoni said it a couple of times that Amare and Marion were competing to see who had the better vertical leap. Out of nowhere Boris comes out and beats the both of them.

Boris can also play the 3-5 spots if needed and has improve his jump shot immensly. If you were to trade Josh Howard you do lose a very good athlete with limited potential. But we both know that he is going to be very ineffective becouse of the off the court issues that he has had in the past year. If you were to trade to Boris, Boris makes you a better all around team.

Like I said, talent by talent, Josh Howard is better, but if you want to improve your team, this trade would make you guys much all around and dangerouse team. Just my opinion..
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Post#14 » by JES12 » Mon Aug 4, 2008 7:10 am

Hey ray ray, nobody except maybe nuk nuk believes any of your empty hype on that sorry ass trade!
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Post#15 » by italy_23 » Mon Aug 4, 2008 8:25 am

jlp0807 wrote:Stack for Noc staright up works. But if you think that JJ Barea is the answer 15-18 minutes per game as Kidds back up you are crazy. We really need a back up PG to help shoulder the load. Hughes would be a very solid backup. He is solid on D and can score. He would also bring some much needed backbone.



well, have you ever heard anything about a certain jason terry. kidd will play the point for his 30-35 mins, then terry will play 10 at the point, the rest as a 2. that leaves just about 3 minutes at the 1 position, which jj can handle EASILY. so NO, we dont need another point gaurd on this team.
and if you think larry hughes is a point guard than YOU are crazy. larry is a 2, and a bad 2 as well. the guy scores on 38% from the field! jesus, and you say he brings some backbone? I guess you havent seen him play lately. larry hughes is the opposite of a backbone
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Post#16 » by jlp0807 » Mon Aug 4, 2008 12:33 pm

If you think JET is a point guard you are crazy. JET is a shoot first player. He is exactly why we drafted Harris and traded for Kidd. I wouldnt want JJ Barea getting 30 seconds of PT. Dont even start talking about 38% shooting. What is Kidds FG%? 34%? Dont get me wrong, I think Kidd is exactly what this team needs, now that we have a coach.

Of course Hughes brings backbone. He was one of the best defensive players in the L a couple of years ago. He is tough. He plays D.

JET should be the starting SG with Green coming off for him. He shouldnt have time to play at the point. Why not get a good backup with a nice sized contract to expire in 2010 so the Mavs can bring Bosh back home.
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Post#17 » by italy_23 » Mon Aug 4, 2008 3:38 pm

well, we disagree on this topic. I have followed hughes for a big part of his career closely and have to say that he is a major disappointment. no way ever would I want such a player on this mavericks team, even now that we are starving for a 2. I even rather take my chances with green then.
that said, where is hughes a point guard??? terry can handle the ball 10 times better than hughes, and if you call terry a shoot first guy, what is hughes then? at least terry hits his shots every now and then.
your shooting percentages are way off, because we are not comparing hughes and kidd. we are talking about hughes and terry. so here you go: hughes fg% is .381, terry's is .467.
regardless, what concerns me the most is that you see larry hughes as a point guard.

then you talk about backbones. sure lebron appreciated hughes backbone, that may be the reason he shipped him out of town...
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Post#18 » by Cyberstorm3000 » Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:35 pm

Dallas Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Sean May
6-9 PF from North Carolina
Raymond Felton
6-0 PG from North Carolina
Adam Morrison
6-8 SF from Gonzaga
Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
Outgoing Players
Eddie Jones
6-6 SG / SF from Temple
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forrest
2009 2nd round Pick and 2011 second round pick
This gives us a successor for Kidd that can go now.
A taller better defending 3 in Wallace. A strong 4 that can score with his back to the basket, and a shooter that we can waive if he is not ready to go in Morrison.
Worst case scenario, we can dump kid at the deadline for a star from a struggling team.
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Post#19 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:39 pm

Cyberstorm3000 wrote:Dallas Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Sean May
6-9 PF from North Carolina
Raymond Felton
6-0 PG from North Carolina
Adam Morrison
6-8 SF from Gonzaga
Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
Outgoing Players
Eddie Jones
6-6 SG / SF from Temple
Jerry Stackhouse
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
Josh Howard
6-5 SG / SF from Wake Forrest
2009 2nd round Pick and 2011 second round pick
This gives us a successor for Kidd that can go now.
A taller better defending 3 in Wallace. A strong 4 that can score with his back to the basket, and a shooter that we can waive if he is not ready to go in Morrison.
Worst case scenario, we can dump kid at the deadline for a star from a struggling team.


I never will rule out the stupidity of Jordan. Even though this trade is so one-sided (Mavs), Jordan just might accept it. Ya never know.
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Post#20 » by sweet daddy » Tue Aug 5, 2008 6:05 pm

jlp0807 wrote:If you think JET is a point guard you are crazy. JET is a shoot first player. He is exactly why we drafted Harris and traded for Kidd. I wouldnt want JJ Barea getting 30 seconds of PT. Dont even start talking about 38% shooting. What is Kidds FG%? 34%? Dont get me wrong, I think Kidd is exactly what this team needs, now that we have a coach.

Of course Hughes brings backbone. He was one of the best defensive players in the L a couple of years ago. He is tough. He plays D.

JET should be the starting SG with Green coming off for him. He shouldnt have time to play at the point. Why not get a good backup with a nice sized contract to expire in 2010 so the Mavs can bring Bosh back home.


First off, Italy23 isn't crazy for disagreeing with you. JET has averaged a very respectable assist total for his career, and has a very good assist to turnover ratio. Argue about pg, sg, he is a good ballhander. He's played the point full-time for a large part of his career, and is certainly capable of handling the position for whatever minutes are available behind Kidd. I would feel perfectly comfortable with Jet playing the point for 15 minutes a game.

2nd, Hughes may not be a good fit for us, especially with Kidd at the point. Jason doesn't score points any more, and he is a very inefficient shooter. Problem with Hughes is that he is also an inefficient scorer, and doesn't really score enough as a shooting guard to offset the lack of production from Kidd. Throw in the fact that he's been injured for about 25% of his career, and it doesn't seem like such a great idea to bring him here.
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