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Post#1 » by Loose Cannon » Mon Aug 4, 2008 6:14 pm

We saw it being tossed for the most part after the disappointing failure in the beginning of the season, and the Rockets reverting back to the PNR as the main staple. Question is, will Adelman try implementing his complex Princeton offense against this year? Or is it a failed project?
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Post#2 » by ShaY » Mon Aug 4, 2008 6:28 pm

We still saw a lot of it last year and this year Adelman said he wants to focus on running the offense more.

When you have T-Mac and Yao and now Artest , a lot of times we gonna see pick n rolls and iso's because they have that ability.

But I expect our offense to look better next year , hopefully Landry signs and both he and Scola are good from mid range.

Artest is already familiar with the system , I expect nice things from us offensively.
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Post#3 » by Iggyemu » Tue Aug 5, 2008 12:57 am

I don't think you can fully run the offense with this team. Its something you can throw in there to keep teams honest and get us a few easy baskets. This is mainly a pick and roll, post up team. McGrady is one of the best pick and roll players....Yao does a good job of rolling to the basket and is getting better at catching passes in traffic. Artest will bring the other option when the pick and roll fails or Yao's post up is being guarded well. Thats why this offense will be better. Its not hard for great defense teams to take away 2 legit scorers. Its nearly impossible for them to deal with 3.
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Post#4 » by tisbee » Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:17 am

Adelman said at beginning of yr he lost a little faith in his offense,but when T-Mac went out he decided to committ to it and the results convinced him his offensive scheme is correct. He will run his offense this yr,but w/tweaks for T-Mac and Yao.
Among the keys to Adelman's offense are:
1)Spacing. The Rockets did a pretty good job of that last yr.
2)Motion. The Rockets did a horrible job last yr. The only players who seemed to understand the need for motion and hard cuts to the basket were Head and Jackson when he arrived.Hayes knew and Scola and andry learned to cut to the basket when McGrady had the ball,as he would find them. Battier,Alston,Brooks just hung around the 3pt line and Yao never quite seemed sure where he was to go.
3)Offense is run thru the high post. Preferably by a C/PF who can shoot the foul-line jumper and can make the right pass to the open cutter. The Rockets were very mediocre at this. Yao rushed his passes and threw away too many passes. Scola dispayed ittle playmaking ability. The Rockets unwilingness to make the cuts required aso played a large part in this. Suprisingly Hayes showed a nice passing abiity,often threading the neede for layups. Unfortunately only a complete moron would guard Hayes at the foul line so many opportunities were shut down by Hayes' man clogging the middle. if by some miracle Chuck developed a FT line jumper,he'd get 30 minutes a night.(I expect Maarty Leunen in a couple of yrs will get significant minutes at the 4 because of his ability to pass and shoot from the hi-post.) I believe we will see alot of Tracy at the hi-post where he can survey the court,elevate and shoot,hit the cutter,take 2 steps and be in the heart of the lane where he is an incredibly effective passer,or go to the rim. Adelman found Tracy was much more effective-and didn't have to work nearly as hard-the closer he set him up to the basket.

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I respectfully disagree on the make-up of the team and it's viability w/Adelman's offense. But,whether the players are a great fit or not,Adelman is going to run his offense because he cannot count on Yao being there for a full season,he cannot count on MCGrady being there. He wants the team able to compete even when Yao,T-Mac,or anybody else isn't available. Even w/Yao,at the beginning of the season it's probable that the team will go 1/3 of a game w/out Yao on the floor. Yes he will run plays for them,but the offense will be his system,not the Ming MacRon Show.
Last yr T-Mac and Yao played more minutes than they did the previous yr under JVG,yet their % of the team's total shots was down 10%. In other words,Adelman spread the ball around more.
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Post#5 » by Loose Cannon » Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:07 am

Even with Artest coming in, I'm more worried about the overall team's individual deficiencies, it didn't work last year because of how unfamiliar the players were with the system and their inability to create for themselves and others.
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Post#6 » by jove9 » Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:43 am

That is, it didn't work until everyone clicked. Then we rattled off 22 in a row.

I'm not worried about Adelman's offense; I'm more worried about Yao's health.
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Post#7 » by PocketRockets » Wed Aug 6, 2008 12:57 am

Like the OP said, Adelman threw out the Princeton because players weren't catching on and the pieces weren't necessarily there. When he simplified the offense a little bit there was still a little learning curve to get over. We won 22 games because we got hot, period. R.alston was even burying 3's. Like someone said when we were sucking it at the begining of last season, the law of averages, Battier and Alston shot better and hence the wins. I think with one more season under Adelman, we'll see a better offense with different schemes, but I'm sure if it doesn't work quick enough, Adelman will water down the playbook again this season. With the players we have, I don't think offense will be the problem, the main thing to look for is (as with the 22 wins), if the defense stays intense for 48 mins. It shouldn't be hard to win games if teams score in the 60s-70s.
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Post#8 » by tha_rock220 » Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:41 am

The Rockets never ran the actual Princeton offense. They would run Princeton sets sometimes, but generally the game plan was the same as it was under JVG. T-Mac perimeter iso's, Yao low post, T-Mac mid post, pick n roll, some girls by BJax, T-Mac, and Head, and few other things here and there.

The truth is the Rockets are a defensive squad. Hayes, Battier, and Scola are hustlers, Battier and now Artest are lock up guys, Yao is a deterrent inside, and the rest of the team plays solid to good defense and gives great effort on that end of the court.

IMO we shouldn't run the Princeton. The biggest reason to me is that it takes Yao out of the low post. That's a mistake. One of the biggest knocks against Chris Webber was his tendancy to gradually move farther from the basket. I don't want to see Yao shootign 48% from the field. Also, we just don't have the athletes and shooters to do this.
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Post#9 » by grond » Thu Aug 7, 2008 1:09 am

tha_rock220 wrote:IMO we shouldn't run the Princeton. The biggest reason to me is that it takes Yao out of the low post. That's a mistake.


Hey! You sound just like our old friend compucomp.

I've always thought Yao could be pretty good from the elbow - he just needs to find his confidence in his 15ftr again. Certainly we don't want him there full-time. But a 80-20 split seems ok, especially since this seasons it's conceivable that at certain times we might actually have a greater post-mismatch with Artest than with Yao during the course of play.
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Post#10 » by BaYBaller » Thu Aug 7, 2008 1:57 am

Adelman adapts to his players, so I would imagine more isos this year than last because of the addition of Artest.
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Post#11 » by tha_rock220 » Thu Aug 7, 2008 11:37 am

Hey! You sound just like our old friend compucomp.

I've always thought Yao could be pretty good from the elbow - he just needs to find his confidence in his 15ftr again. Certainly we don't want him there full-time. But a 80-20 split seems ok, especially since this seasons it's conceivable that at certain times we might actually have a greater post-mismatch with Artest than with Yao during the course of play.


:lol: Hey compucomp if you're reading this T-Mac is the Rockets best player.

Anyway, I think Yao could be in the high post to make an entry pass to Artest or T-Mac, but I don't want him at the elbow looking to pass to cutters.
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Post#12 » by jove9 » Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:07 pm

compucomp wrote:You shameless Yao haters!!!
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Post#13 » by RayStats34 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:38 am

I think Tracy Mcgrady will still handle most of the play making abilities Ron Artest is probably gonna be more of a jumpshooter and a backdoor cutter when Yao is in the game and when it's just him and T-mac in he will post up more with Mcgrady on the perimeter I think the Rockets might struggle early on but they will get a lot more comfortable as the season goes along. T-mac likes to differ to T-mates and Yao is a good passer, also Artest is a underated playmaker.

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