The pro-Favre nut-jobs

[ReasonablySober]

I think he's calling me (and others) out to a certain extent on comparing Favre and Deanna to John and Yoko earlier in the week.

One one level he's correct, on many other levels I don't think the comparison works. That being said, If I were a reporter, I'd have no problems with asking the Favres a question as to whether they see any parallels here with the Beatles breaking up and those two in the role of John and Yoko.

I'm sure he was referring to me as well. LIke I said, the major difference is I'm not yelling it at her in person. Unless Deanna spends her time checking out RealGM, she'll never have a clue as to what I think of her.

[Bernman]

I haven't seen video of the woman being referred to, but I thought "typical Wisconsin booze hag" painted a pretty clear picture. Was she pale blond with frizzy hair?

PP, you don't need to dignify the comparison with a defense. Of course Favre was just as fault for this break-up as the Packers or more. Rodgers wasn't at fault AT ALL. He did not asked to be drafted by the Green Bay Packers and groomed as Favre's successor. That was as a result of his stock plummeting before the draft and the Packers needing insurance in case Favre's flirtation with retirement actually came to fruition. I'm sure if A-Rod had his choice he'd have stayed in the Bay area and received a 7-year 55 million dollar contract as the #1 pick of the 9'ers. A comparison of Favre/Deanna to John/Yoko is not as harmful as being berated and called every name in the book. I don't want to hear the crap about "if he can't handle the pressure he's in the wrong business". Seldom does a player need to go through such experiences unprovoked and if you're a Packer fan why would you try to make a player's job more difficult?

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Kinda funny how that some of the people that irate about these fans are the same people that have written some pretty nasty stuff about Favre and his wife.

Please provide ONE example (with a link please) of something that is anywhere near comparable to what Rodgers has had to deal with.

I'm not going to go back and find the link, but one example would be DrugBust (the person who started this thread) referring to Deanna as a very derogatory term for a woman when the camera during Family Night showed her with that blonde woman in a luxury box at Lambeau. The profanity filter here blotted it out, but contextually I think it was the c-word he used. Could have been the b-word though. Either way, dedned does have a point.

As DB said, it is of significance to note that DB (and others) made his comments on here and not in earshot of who they were making derogatory remarks about, there's definitely a considerable difference, but I don't think that takes away from dedned's point.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I want to add that I find what these people are yelling at Rodgers to be completely despicable and classless.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I also want to add that while I understand PP25's point about a potential course of action for Rodgers being just ignoring it totally and not commenting, I actually like the way he handled this.

I never find it credible when athletes claim that they don't notice any of this stuff (maybe they don't actually notice ALL of it, but many claim to not notice ANY of it). So I like Rodgers saying that he notices it, and that even if he doesn't agree with people booing him (that was more implicit) he found the booing to at least be within acceptable boundaries, whereas some of these guttural comments were really outside acceptable boundaries.

I agree with him completely.

Once again, Rodgers continues to be the person that seems to be handling this better than anyone. I'd say you have Rodgers up there in a class by himself, followed by a minority of Packer Fans (pro-Favre, anti-Favre, however they might be classified) and then you have a gap after that.

Unfortunately on the other end of the spectrum you have, among others, a large chunk of Packers fans in both "camps", and then you have the real extreme minorities like the idiots referred to in this thread probably being at the complete lowest end.

[ReasonablySober]

Kinda funny how that some of the people that irate about these fans are the same people that have written some pretty nasty stuff about Favre and his wife.

Please provide ONE example (with a link please) of something that is anywhere near comparable to what Rodgers has had to deal with.

I'm not going to go back and find the link, but one example would be DrugBust (the person who started this thread) referring to Deanna as a very derogatory term for a woman when the camera during Family Night showed her with that blonde woman in a luxury box at Lambeau. The profanity filter here blotted it out, but contextually I think it was the c-word he used. Could have been the b-word though. Either way, dedned does have a point.

As DB said, it is of significance to note that DB (and others) made his comments on here and not in earshot of who they were making derogatory remarks about, there's definitely a considerable difference, but I don't think that takes away from dedned's point.

The fact that it's within earshot is the entire point. Not everyone is going to like Rodgers. That's not the issue. The problem is they're harassing him where he's working. It's distracting and embarrassing nobody should have to go through it, particularly from 'fans' of his own team.

And it was the c-word. Who cares? I'm not going to yell it at her while she goes about her daily life.

[Mags FTW]

Yeah. It's not like he's showing up at someone's work with a bag on his head...

[randy84]

Yeah. It's not like he's showing up at someone's work with a bag on his head...

Funniest thing I have heard all day.

[El Duderino]

It's distracting and embarrassing nobody should have to go through it, particularly from 'fans' of his own team.

While i certainly wish those idiots talking crap to Aaron would shut up, i sure hope he not distracted by it or he's not long for the job of starting QB in the NFL, especially following a legend. Come those first few early home games, if he struggles, odds are a sizable part of the crowd is going to turn on Rodgers and boo him and/or scream We Want Favre.

If that happens, Aaron is going to have to suck up some internal fortitude and block out the boos and perform. Whether this stuff isn't fair is irrelevant, it is what it is. The NFL is for men and only one thing wins over fans, performing well, especially for quarterbacks. Dealing with a$$holes comes with the job description.

So while i do have some sympathy for Rodgers having to deal with some pricks spewing nonsense, my sympathy is minor. For all the added pressure he faces in replacing Brett, few young QB's walk into a better situation than what's been handed him. Aaron was afforded the luxury of not being rushed on the field before he was ready and knowing the offense inside out, Rodgers also gets his first starting gig with weapons all over the place and an above average offensive line.

I've heard many here and in the media say that Rodgers faces an impossible task here in Green Bay, but i just don't buy it. Aaron is set up for success in ways few young QB's are right off that bat, years of patient grooming and all kinds of talent around him. If Rodgers has the required mental toughness all good QB's need, then he'll be able to block out the fools. Everything else is out there on a silver platter for him. Talented teammates on offense, a good defense that will help Aaron from having to light up the scoreboard, a head coach known as a good mentor of quarterbacks, and a front office that's obviously firmly in his corner.

He now just needs to perform and win games, then the vast vast majority of fans will be in his corner. Sure a few Favreaholics may still remain and keep giving Aaron crap, but who cares? It then should be easy for him to just laugh them off as ignorant morons and embrace the vast majority who will be behind him.

[randy84]

It's distracting and embarrassing nobody should have to go through it, particularly from 'fans' of his own team.

While i certainly wish those idiots talking crap to Aaron would shut up, i sure hope he not distracted by it or he's not long for the job of starting QB in the NFL, especially following a legend. Come those first few early home games, if he struggles, odds are a sizable part of the crowd is going to turn on Rodgers and boo him and/or scream We Want Favre.

If that happens, Aaron is going to have to suck up some internal fortitude and block out the boos and perform. Whether this stuff isn't fair is irrelevant, it is what it is. The NFL is for men and only one thing wins over fans, performing well, especially for quarterbacks. Dealing with a$$holes comes with the job description.

So while i do have some sympathy for Rodgers having to deal with some pricks spewing nonsense, my sympathy is minor. For all the added pressure he faces in replacing Brett, few young QB's walk into a better situation than what's been handed him. Aaron was afforded the luxury of not being rushed on the field before he was ready and knowing the offense inside out, Rodgers also gets his first starting gig with weapons all over the place and an above average offensive line.

I've heard many here and in the media say that Rodgers faces an impossible task here in Green Bay, but i just don't buy it. Aaron is set up for success in ways few young QB's are right off that bat, years of patient grooming and all kinds of talent around him. If Rodgers has the required mental toughness all good QB's need, then he'll be able to block out the fools. Everything else is out there on a silver platter for him. Talented teammates on offense, a good defense that will help Aaron from having to light up the scoreboard, a head coach known as a good mentor of quarterbacks, and a front office that's obviously firmly in his corner.

He now just needs to perform and win games, then the vast vast majority of fans will be in his corner. Sure a few Favreaholics may still remain and keep giving Aaron crap, but who cares? It then should be easy for him to just laugh them off as ignorant morons and embrace the vast majority who will be behind him.

Great post. I agree 100%.

I hate to talk about the Bears but I would compare Rodgers situation to Rex Grossman's. Grossman been to a Super Bowl and he still has fans that call him out at every opportunity. Right now Grossman doesn't look like he has the mental fortitude to succeed.

If Rodgers can't handle the boos in camp, then there is no way he is going to succeed going on the road to Minnesota or Chicago.

[Fandom]

The reason fans still call out Grossman is because the guy is a dolt; he's an athlete, but he's a dolt who can't handle NFL pressure, or at least it looks that way.

But Jesus, at least give Rodgers the opportunity to earn the boos, the FU's and other insults. I just don't understand the logic and thought process that goes into ragging on a guy who hasn't even started an NFL game yet.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Yeah. It's not like he's showing up at someone's work with a bag on his head...

But as you well know (being someone who gave us props for doing that), it was pretty evident that was directed at Herb Kohl, his 20+ years of ownership, and his regime/cronies.

Plus, I was extremely adamant (to the point of annoying people) that people not engage in anything such as profanity or any low class language regarding Herb Kohl or anyone else.
If we had anybody engaging in the kind of garbage that these idiots yelling these things at Rodgers are engaging in, I would have ejected them from our group and am certain that I would have had the support of enough (probably all or almost all) of the other participants in doing so.

[msiris]

AR had nothing to do with the Brett situation. People need to leave him alone. DB you are correct. Some people need to get a life.

[emunney]

Rodgers is making me a fan. Hope he can stay healthy.

But ClassicJack, this is still worlds away from what Jackie Robinson dealt with. There are zero borders shared.

[ClassicJack]

Rodgers is making me a fan. Hope he can stay healthy.

But ClassicJack, this is still worlds away from what Jackie Robinson dealt with. There are zero borders shared.

Of course it's not what Jackie Robinson went through, hyperbole is my friend. But from an undeserved perspective, for just being who you are, I don't think any athlete has had to go through what Rodgers will have to go through in my lifetime. I mean, it is what it is and on some level Rodgers had to know what he was getting into being the guy who would replace Brett but the level of vitriol shown toward him since Brett reinstated reminds me of what Jackie dealt with. Not because of its ramifications socially, just the undeserved nature of the vitriol from the fans.

[mnstinks]

Favre admitted his first choice was to play in minnesota, that's what the nut jobs need to get rattled into their heads.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Favre admitted his first choice was to play in minnesota

His first choice OTHER than coming back to the Packers was to play in Minnesota is what he admitted. You seem to be implying that he admitted to initially wanting to play in Minnesota and not Green Bay. Some infer that is what he wanted. As no one can get inside that odd brain of Favre's, we'll never know for sure if he preferred the Vikings to the Packers all along like some people claim, but he has certainly not admitted what you are implying. It would be huge news all over if he had. He admitted to the Vikings being his first choice over Tampa Bay, the Jets, and any other team he would play for if he couldn't come back for the Packers (and in his mind, with his emotional preconditions not being met, he couldn't). That's not really news at this point, which is why there isn't a flurry of posts on that topic, why there was no big deal made out of it on Sportscenter, NFL Live, the local news, etc.

[NeedsMoreCheese]

While the situation sucks for Rodgers, you guys are reaping what you sowed. What I mean is, the monstrous legend and idol figure you created with the Favre insanity. You guys are finally seeing the effects of it now that hes gone because you've finally let go of it. Though as evidenced by the reason the topic was started, many havent (not saying someone on here, i mean that woman and others like her). While this may not go over well or be recognized as the truth by many, Favre is quite possibly the most overrated QB of all-time.

Hold on, I'm not trying to take anything away from him, hes still a top 10 QB of all-time, he still has accomplished great things, I'm not saying he hasnt, or lessening them. I'm just saying it doesnt make sense to equate him with guys like Montana, Bradshaw, Staubach, Graham. Hes right behind that with guys like Young, Elway and Starr. (Though I'd put him ahead of all three).

[MickeyDavis]

Cold Hard Football Facts top 10 QB's of all time (Favre 10, Starr #1)

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

[Jollay]

Rodgers seems like a pretty funny guy, BTW. Very likeable. Every long quote I see from him usually gives me at least a small chuckle.

I think part of the reason TT took the stance he does is not just A-Rod's potential on the field--the guy just seems like an ideal locker room guy.

Save the profanities for Bears/Vikings fans.

By the way, the Favre to start against the Redskins headline actually made me think very briefly we were playing the Redskins this week.

This is still going to be hard.