Bgil wrote:In some of those old NBC bumper commercials you could see Dr J catching a pass one-handed. In fact, the clip I'm thinking of ONLY show him catching the pass, no shot, no dribble just highlighting his hands. I don't think I've seen anyone do more one-handed shot fakes than Dr J. Nearly every time he went to the basket in traffic you see him pump faking (usually in the air) with one hand... it's all over every dr.j highlight on youtube.
He was also extremely fond of picking the ball up off the dribble with one hand and finishing with it. In fact, his most famous shots (the rock-the-baby over Cooper and the behind-the-backboard layup) show him doing this at full speed.
Don't remember him making any fake one handed passes or rebounding the ball one handed but all the games of him that I've seen were basically Lakers and Celtics playoff games. I wouldn't put it past him to do that since his hands were so massive. I have seen him catch a shot in mid-air with one hand. He could have blocked it into the upper deck but he just caught it... absolutely beautiful.
No need to hate though. I HIGHLY doubt you've seen enough Dr J to know exactly how much he did with the ball one handed.
Also, you acting like Jordan was the originator of that stuff is ridiculous. Hakeem was doing all that stuff in college (fake passes, fake shots, catching shots, rebounds) and he wasn't the originator either. I have some OLD globetrotters stuff that would make your headspin.
Wow, BGil and G35 in the same topic. Never would have guessed...
Btw, when I said "one handed shot fakes" I meant jumpshots, not layups or midair ball fakes. Yeah man, Hakeem was doing "all that stuff" in college, and then somehow...never did it in the NBA. Can you show me any of Dream's NBA highlights where he does any of that stuff? The fake pass I can see, because I've seen big men fake passes back out to shooters with one hand when the double-team was coming, but not the other stuff. Not saying you're wrong, but it's definitely not something Dream was known for like it is for MJ/Dr. J.
On the bolded portion, I'm going to be like G35 and ask you for visual proof of this play.
Because, you know, things didn't actually happen if we don't have photos/video of them happening.
Lastly, the famous dunk on Cooper was a cradle, not an example of Doc picking the ball up off the dribble with one hand from on top of the ball. I never said he couldn't do this, btw (in fact, I've seen him do it; I think he does it on the famous Lakers reverse), only that Jordan did as well. All I was saying was that both could do whatever they wanted with the ball based on their hand size, making the question of who had the bigger hands (which I conceded Doc probably had) largely academic. Then G35 comes in talking nonsense about Doc's leaping advantage and how he could consequently finish over "bigger/stronger defenders" (which is a claim I'd love to see him defend).
G35 wrote:So you think Jordan was a better leaper than Doc. So what. I don't. Show me Jordan doing it better than this. Not equal, but BETTER.
Check the 1:26-1:29 mark here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYoMXDg0cgPause it at exactly 1:29 at the apex of his jump. Also, the 15 second mark of this video (first dunk of the video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKlvfx9ODM8But no, we don't have any still photos for Jordan like that Dr. J one. Not that I've seen, at least. And when I said that Jordan is a better leaper (which he is), I meant in totality. Dr. J may have been a slightly better one-footed leaper, but he was not as good off a two-foot plant (where you gather your feet off a drive) or off a hop step as Jordan was. Jordan was a more versatile leaper, which is one of the things that allowed him to create shots and hit angles that Dr. J didn't. Btw, if they get the same height on their jumps, it means that Jordan is actually jumping higher, since he's shorter. Dr. J's 'fro also helps.