This offense is GARBAGE!!

[TKF]

Overrated piece of trash. Jeter looks like trash, A-rod looks average, we don't manufacture runs, we don't move runners well and we don't drive runs home.. We stink. I said this two years ago, I begged to trash this lineup, it doesn't work, it looks and moves old, it never puts pressure on a defense and we let weak, clown stick it to us.. Tonight it is some clown by the name of perkins.. 8 innings of shutout 4 hit ball in a stadium with a concrete surface.... we suck.. about to be 9 games out of first and 5 out of the wildcard... good night, this season is a wrap.....

[cmaff051]

This is the worst offense we have had in 15-20 years. It is unbelievably bad.

[cmaff051]

I've ragged on Sidney before, but you really have to hand it to him... that was a gutty outing by him. Too bad our gutless offense couldn't score him some runs...

[cmaff051]

Put a fork in the 2008 Yankees - we are done.

[TKF]

I've ragged on Sidney before, but you really have to hand it to him... that was a gutty outing by him. Too bad our gutless offense couldn't score him some runs...

ponson has not been the problem, and until joba got hurt, mussina and pettite anlong with joba were doing a good job... Our pen has fallen apart and our hitting has been for the past 3 years, just horrible. The numbers may fool people, but sitiuational hitting, we have to be the worst and outside of someone having an out of mind season(A-rod, posada) we would have been in trouble the past few years.... we stink, plain and simple. Time to focus on football season, my baseball season is done...

[cmaff051]

I've ragged on Sidney before, but you really have to hand it to him... that was a gutty outing by him. Too bad our gutless offense couldn't score him some runs...

ponson has not been the problem, and until joba got hurt, mussina and pettite anlong with joba were doing a good job... Our pen has fallen apart and our hitting has been for the past 3 years, just horrible. The numbers may fool people, but sitiuational hitting, we have to be the worst and outside of someone having an out of mind season(A-rod, posada) we would have been in trouble the past few years.... we stink, plain and simple. Time to focus on football season, my baseball season is done...

Our hitting doesn't fool anybody... we suck in all situations.. we are on pace to score 760 runs this year. We scored around 980 last year and we have averaged 900 over the last 5 years.

We have been absolutely terrible in all situations.

[TKF]

I must say, not having a healthy posada and matusi hurt, but even with them, our offense has been a joke the past few years when it really came down to it.... we scored a lot of runs the past few years in some big blowouts, but keep the game close and the yanks can't hit...

[Jitpal]

This offense is terrible. You can't really blame them for not manufacturing runs, nobody on this team outside of Jeter, Melky and Molina are capable of getting down a bunt. Everyone always complains when Jeter bunts. So that leaves Melky and Molina, they are rarely up when a guy gets on base with less than 2 outs. When they have bunted, the guy behind them couldn't get the job done. We have a few sound ball players on this team worth keeping, the rest can go. In terms of the lineup we have Damon, Jeter, Arod, Matsui, Posada, Nady and Molina. They need to keep those positions players, beyond that everyone is filler or really doesn't play sound baseball.

Funny thing is this team has a real shot to make the playoffs through the Wild Card, it just looks like they don't care. I hate to say it but I'm pretty close to the point where I think that they are done. -Jitpal

[TKF]

This offense is terrible. You can't really blame them for not manufacturing runs, nobody on this team outside of Jeter, Melky and Molina are capable of getting down a bunt. Everyone always complains when Jeter bunts. So that leaves Melky and Molina, they are rarely up when a guy gets on base with less than 2 outs. When they have bunted, the guy behind them couldn't get the job done. We have a few sound ball players on this team worth keeping, the rest can go. In terms of the lineup we have Damon, Jeter, Arod, Matsui, Posada, Nady and Molina. They need to keep those positions players, beyond that everyone is filler or really doesn't play sound baseball.

Funny thing is this team has a real shot to make the playoffs through the Wild Card, it just looks like they don't care. I hate to say it but I'm pretty close to the point where I think that they are done. -Jitpal

wild card is still there, but to me unlikely. Actually the rays are mounting injuries also. Longoria is out, crawford is out, and they have a ton of road games left, things can change fast, the problem is the yanks have their share of big injuries and even when healthy we were not that good. You are right, I wonder if they care. either way, I think they are pretty much done.. Hate to say it, but it seems that way..

[jeff1624]

We really need to get rid of: Kevin long, Abreu and Giambi this offseason. Plug Damon back in CF and bench Melky. Move Nady to RF, sign Manny and alternate him and matsui at LF/DH. Bring up Juan miranda to play 1st and actually sign a quality 4th or 5th starter and not depend on rookies to get us over the hump.

[Pugsley_2491]

Carl Crawford is exactly what we need...
Plus if we could sign Tex

Craw
Jeter
Arod
Tex
(whoever we get to DH)
Nady
Cano
Posada
(whoever we get for CF, maybe Jackson could have a great spring training and step up)

[Pharmcat]

this team is done boys

[nykgeneralmanager]

Joba's injury, although not a serious one, took the air out of this team. From the moment he walked off the field holding his arm the team has looked flat and down. Shows how important a big game pitcher his, just his presence can lift a team.

[Jitpal]

We really need to get rid of: Kevin long, Abreu and Giambi this offseason. Plug Damon back in CF and bench Melky. Move Nady to RF, sign Manny and alternate him and matsui at LF/DH. Bring up Juan miranda to play 1st and actually sign a quality 4th or 5th starter and not depend on rookies to get us over the hump.

I really don't get the outcry to get rid of Long. The Yanks gave him a long term extension at the beginning of this year, he isn't going anywhere. Arod credits him for his year last year. If you look at Sexson when he was with the Mariners and then now, you can see his swing is significantly better. It's not like Long goes out and tells the hitters to not hit with RISP. What did firing the manager and hitting coach in Queens do? Wright is still hitting .250 with RISP.

Abreu and Giambi are gone regardless. Damon can't play CF. He still has range but he no arm. Have we quickly forgotten that 18 hoppers up the middle are doubles when Damon is in CF. Not to mention that his body won't hold up for 150 games out there. Nady is going to RF. Manny isn't coming here. They don't need the distraction, they don't need to spend 25 million a year for 4 years for Manny. Manny will be resigned by the Dodgers, because they have nothing else.

Juan Miranda isn't the answer at first base. He is a butcher at 1B and he can't hit lefties. Who else plays there? Miranda is more of a DH than a first base. Miranda is great as a bench guy and to platoon him there but he isn't an answer at 1B. Who is this "quality" 4/5 starter? Have you seen the market? Carlos Silva got 4 years and 44 million. He has a 5.5 ERA for the Mariners in a pitchers park. It's irresponsible to sign one of those guys. -Jitpal

[Jitpal]

Carl Crawford is exactly what we need...
Plus if we could sign Tex

Craw
Jeter
Arod
Tex
(whoever we get to DH)
Nady
Cano
Posada
(whoever we get for CF, maybe Jackson could have a great spring training and step up)

Carl Crawford isn't a free agent and there is no way the Rays would trade him here. Not to mention that he would be playing CF for us, not LF. LFers are a dime-a-dozen but quality CFers are not. Arod is not batting 3rd, he is the cleanup hitter for the foreseeable future. I'll get to Tex below. We have DH-es already, their names are Damon and Matsui. You can't leave CF as a crapshoot going into camp. Let me tell you a few players who had fantastic spring trainings this year and then completely collapsed for one reason or another. Cano, Kennedy, Hughes and Jeter. Hughes was because of injuries and Jeter didn't collapse but he isn't have a Jeter-type year after Arod was discussing how good Jeter looked down there. If Ajax was ready in March, that was be an overachievement so don't expect it, he would be a July/August call up.

Tex is overrated and I can't see the Yankees signing him. 10/230 is way too much for a B-level star. Not to mention that he is a Boras guy so there will be a few player options in there. If he plays poorly then you are on the hook, if he plays well he opts out and you are left with nothing. Plus, if Posada can't catch then you can only DH him because Tex is at first. You block Montero if he outgrows catching. It just doesn't make sense. An all-star at every position doesn't work, 2004-2008 should have proved that to you. A solid defensive 1B, that hits for average is what they need. -Jitpal

[APerna]

As is the bullpen.

[AirPaden]

I feel you on Jeter, but you have to cut the Yankee Captain some slack. He is a wounded warrior who never complains. He plays through pain and is still hitting a respectable .280. I would love to see him be a bit more clutch. I have to give Jeter a pass for helping the Yankees win several ALCS and World Serries Championships in NY. The guy is the heart and soul of the Yankees.

As for Arod, I was one fan who wished he had moved on. What we needed was a few gritty players who can hit for average play hard and put up about 15- 25 homeruns. A couple of players of Nadys calibler would have been great for this team. Arod played like Superman in his contract year, now for the most part he is A-stike in clutch situations. However, he still chews bubble gum very well in the clutch.

When will Kevin Long ever take some of the blame for the lack of hitting on this team? We have so many stars and it appears that their hitting approach sucks. This team swings at balls in the dirt and looks at strikes. Bring in the Boston hitting coach, it appears that he makes no name hitters great.
Manny is gone and that team is still producing, hitting wise.

And what the hell happen to Melky? Is he partying to much? His game went south all year.
Giambi is another culprit. .253 is not cutting it. He is not getting it done on a consistant basis. Horrible at throwing the ball to second.

Overall this team gets an D+ for timely hitting.

[TKF]

I feel you on Jeter, but you have to cut the Yankee Captain some slack. He is a wounded warrior who never complains. He plays through pain and is still hitting a respectable .280. I would love to see him be a bit more clutch. I have to give Jeter a pass for helping the Yankees win several ALCS and World Serries Championships in NY. The guy is the heart and soul of the Yankees.

As for Arod, I was one fan who wished he had moved on. What we needed was a few gritty players who can hit for average play hard and put up about 15- 25 homeruns. A couple of players of Nadys calibler would have been great for this team. Arod played like Superman in his contract year, now for the most part he is A-stike in clutch situations. However, he still chews bubble gum very well in the clutch.

When will Kevin Long ever take some of the blame for the lack of hitting on this team? We have so many stars and it appears that their hitting approach sucks. This team swings at balls in the dirt and looks at strikes. Bring in the Boston hitting coach, it appears that he makes no name hitters great.
Manny is gone and that team is still producing, hitting wise.

And what the hell happen to Melky? Is he partying to much? His game went south all year.
Giambi is another culprit. .253 is not cutting it. He is not getting it done on a consistant basis. Horrible at throwing the ball to second.

Overall this team gets an D+ for timely hitting.

Maybe I should cut jeter some slack, but truth be told, he is just not doing very well, and we need him to.. Period.. As far as A-rod, I wanted him to move on as well, but I wanted to fill his position with another power hitter, without him in the lineup we look pretty weak. You are correct, we do need gritty players. I was looking at the Rays/ A's game last night on the internet, and looking at the rays lineup, they have a bunch of .250 hitters, yet they could scratch out 3 runs vs a good A's pitcher. yet we struggle to get a run or two vs run of the mill bums.. Our hitting is just horrible and it is the main reason we are not going to make the playoffs... Honestly I would subsitute manny for A-rod right now, I am not the biggest manny fan, but he strikes fear in opposing pitching staffs and he is absolutly clutch.... A-rod is the better player, but manny may be the better hitter...

Next year, this line up needs a lot of shuffling, a lot!!

[AirPaden]

I feel you on Jeter, but you have to cut the Yankee Captain some slack. He is a wounded warrior who never complains. He plays through pain and is still hitting a respectable .280. I would love to see him be a bit more clutch. I have to give Jeter a pass for helping the Yankees win several ALCS and World Serries Championships in NY. The guy is the heart and soul of the Yankees.

As for Arod, I was one fan who wished he had moved on. What we needed was a few gritty players who can hit for average play hard and put up about 15- 25 homeruns. A couple of players of Nadys calibler would have been great for this team. Arod played like Superman in his contract year, now for the most part he is A-stike in clutch situations. However, he still chews bubble gum very well in the clutch.

When will Kevin Long ever take some of the blame for the lack of hitting on this team? We have so many stars and it appears that their hitting approach sucks. This team swings at balls in the dirt and looks at strikes. Bring in the Boston hitting coach, it appears that he makes no name hitters great.
Manny is gone and that team is still producing, hitting wise.

And what the hell happen to Melky? Is he partying to much? His game went south all year.
Giambi is another culprit. .253 is not cutting it. He is not getting it done on a consistant basis. Horrible at throwing the ball to second.

Overall this team gets an D+ for timely hitting.

Maybe I should cut jeter some slack, but truth be told, he is just not doing very well, and we need him to.. Period.. As far as A-rod, I wanted him to move on as well, but I wanted to fill his position with another power hitter, without him in the lineup we look pretty weak. You are correct, we do need gritty players. I was looking at the Rays/ A's game last night on the internet, and looking at the rays lineup, they have a bunch of .250 hitters, yet they could scratch out 3 runs vs a good A's pitcher. yet we struggle to get a run or two vs run of the mill bums.. Our hitting is just horrible and it is the main reason we are not going to make the playoffs... Honestly I would subsitute manny for A-rod right now, I am not the biggest manny fan, but he strikes fear in opposing pitching staffs and he is absolutly clutch.... A-rod is the better player, but manny may be the better hitter...

Next year, this line up needs a lot of shuffling, a lot!!

Perhaps a rest for a few games will do Jeter some good. I do admire him for playing through the pain.

You are right TKF, you look at the Rays lineup, low batting averages yet they can manufacture runs when they need them. I know this is not always the case, but this team knows how t play small ball.

I would also take Manny in a heartbeat over ArodStrike. Tired of Arod swinging and missing when runners are in scoring position. He played so well in his walk year. Now he has his money and Madonna. lol He could care less about helping the Yankees get into the post season.

Peace TKF Nice thread

[Jitpal]

I'm really sick of this whole Arod isn't clutch nonsense. Clutch, as most people think of it, is a figment of everyone's imagination. It doesn't matter if you score the run in the 1st inning or in the 9th inning. It still only counts as one run. I look at clutch as more of a matter of games we have to win and against teams we have to beat. So let's take a look closer shall we.
Anaheim: .320/1.233
Boston: .348/.988
Minnesota: .390/1.213
Tampa Bay: .344/.895
So against teams that we need to beat to secure a wild card or the division and the best team in baseball he has great numbers. Yeah, he really sucks when it counts. When it is do or die time in extra innings he has a ridiculous 2.000 OPS. Yeah, that's right 2.000 OPS. Look no one is going to make excuses that he isn't hitting well with RISP, but neither is the rest of the team. It's a team wide epidemic, not Arod's fault. It's a been a huge affliction this entire year. I've seen countless times Abreu and Giambi come up, sandwiching Arod and also strike out or hit weak ground balls. How many times has Giambi hit into the shift with men on base, instead of just tapping it towards a completely empty left-infield.

Hey since you like those other numbers, here are Arod and Jeter compared in various situations throughout their careers.
Arod | Jeter
RISP: .302/.956 | .311/.837
Bases Loaded: .344/1.115 | .357/.857
Men on 2nd and 3rd: .315/.956 | .311/.815
Close and Late: .278/.907 | .289/.808
Very comparable number, maybe a slight edge to Arod. Jeter hits a little better but Arod draws more walks and hits for more power. The point of this isn't to say Jeter is better than Arod or Arod is better than Jeter. The point is to show that Arod isn't "unclutch" or anything, he is very comparable to Jeter who many consider one of the better clutch players. -Jitpal