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Post#221 » by Posey H8er » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:28 pm

canoner wrote:Losing is bad, being sore losers is worse.

Well some people are complaining because the United States could possibly be gold medalists if the rules of the event were followed. If you listened to the commentators you could tell that there is actually an advantage to doing gymnastics at a younger age (why else would the China team have underage gymnasts?). It's more difficult to do routines in your later teens because a late teen's body is developing more. It's much easier to do routines when you have a body that hasn't developed and filled out because you can jump and spin faster and tighter.

Be that as it may, the Chinese team had the better performances and because of that they are gold medalists.
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Post#222 » by canoner » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:33 pm

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canoner wrote:Losing is bad, being sore losers is worse.

Well some people are complaining because the United States could possibly be gold medalists if the rules of the event were followed. If you listened to the commentators you could tell that there is actually an advantage to doing gymnastics at a younger age (why else would the China team have underage gymnasts?). It's more difficult to do routines in your later teens because a late teen's body is developing more. It's much easier to do routines when you have a body that hasn't developed and filled out because you can jump and spin faster and tighter.

Be that as it may, the Chinese team had the better performances and because of that they are gold medalists.


By sore losers I meant speculating things without proof. If you find indisputable evidence, file a formal complaint. If you don't, shut up. Making accusations without proof, after losing the match, is pathetic.
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Post#223 » by Blame Rasho » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:43 pm

canoner wrote:
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canoner wrote:Losing is bad, being sore losers is worse.

Well some people are complaining because the United States could possibly be gold medalists if the rules of the event were followed. If you listened to the commentators you could tell that there is actually an advantage to doing gymnastics at a younger age (why else would the China team have underage gymnasts?). It's more difficult to do routines in your later teens because a late teen's body is developing more. It's much easier to do routines when you have a body that hasn't developed and filled out because you can jump and spin faster and tighter.

Be that as it may, the Chinese team had the better performances and because of that they are gold medalists.


By sore losers I meant speculating things without proof. If you find indisputable evidence, file a formal complaint. If you don't, shut up. Making accusations without proof, after losing the match, is pathetic.


It was an issue way before China got any medals...
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Post#224 » by Posey H8er » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:44 pm

The false documentation the Chinese government provided to the IOC for the young gymnasts is their proof. That's official to the IOC and they are not going to try to mess with China because they are the host city.
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Post#225 » by j127 » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:42 pm

Do we know if the documentation is false?

Under Age Gymnasts or Sore Losers: Did the Chinese Gymnasts Cheat?

n order to compete in the Olympics a gymnast must turn 16 during the same year of the Olympics. In order to prove your age you must have a passport. The theory is that the government makes the Chinese gymnasts' passports so they can lie about their age. But Karolyi admitted that he has no proof that the Chinese gymnasts birthdays are not real. Oh well great argument there.


The most curious thing about this situation is the sudden memory loss that every American seems to have. When Yao Ming debuted in the United States Americans all over the country joked, "How could an Asian be that big! He's like the size of five Chinese men!" People joked, "Yao Ming is like Godzilla over there," making fun of not only Yao's height, but the rest of the country's lack of height.

But now that being short was actually an advantage for the Chinese there is a huge outcry that they are lying about their age.


Whatever happened to the Chinese just being small people? If the average adult male in Asia is smaller than the average adult male in America then wouldn't it make sense for the average 16-year-old girl in Asia to be smaller than the average 16-year-old girl in America? This is common sense people.


You have to remember that China picks a sport for children at a very age and enters them into that training program. Do you think they are going to pick Yao Ming to be a gymnast? No. They are going to pick tiny girls. These girls were probably chosen because they were so small. China doesn't have smaller gymnasts because they are cheaters; they have smaller gymnasts because they were smart enough to pick those girls to be gymnasts. You might not agree with how China puts young boys and girls into programs like that, but it's not cheating so that has nothing to do with this argument.


All anybody is pointing out is the advantages of being small. Yes, it's easier to do tricks when you're lighter, but there are some major disadvantages to being smaller too. When a gymnast is as light as the Chinese girls it is harder to put enough weight on the trampoline to do a good vault. Despite the disadvantage in vault the American girls only defeated the Chinese girls by 0.525 points. Smaller gymnasts also have a big disadvantage in the uneven bars because it is harder for them to reach the bars. Despite their advantage on the uneven bar the Chinese girls beat the American girls by nearly 2 full points.


I understand many people's frustration at the American girls not having won the gold medal. But please, let's put some logic into this.

And I ask this seriously: If the Chinese gymnasts were so young and small for the Olympics, how come it only became an issue after the US lost the gold? Why wasn't it made earlier? Why wasn't it made a week ago? A month ago? A year ago?

The US Olympic Gymnastics committee (or whoever) knew who the Chinese girls were who were going to be in the artistic gymnastics competition and probably saw hours of video tape on them. Why wasn't anything mentioned before?

As many are saying, it's only an issue now, because the US didn't win gold. Patriotic fervor has gotten in the way of logic and rationality.

And this isn't a shot at Americans only. This is a shot at everyone. You don't know how many times I've heard people conclude, "well, obviously Michael Phelps used some kind of steroids. How could he break every world record and win all those golds?". Little do people know that Phelps is actually that good.

I mean, if you want to believe that the Chinese are 14 or 8 or 3 years old, no one can stop you.
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Post#226 » by BlackMamba » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:48 pm

well if they have evidence china cheated they shouldn't be treated any differently because they are the host city.
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Post#227 » by jourdy » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:33 pm

I'm all for enforcing the rules, but crying cheaters based solely on looks is rather not convincing. Have you guys seen Chinese people? While there are some who look their age, there are a LOT of Chinese who look really young. In my experience alone, I have friends who were questioned at PG-13 movie theaters, and we were in 4th year college at the time.

It's just strange that Bela would cry underage after losing. Add to that the media taking his word for it, and you have lots of people being convinced that China did cheat, even without evidence. It further taints an already criticized Olympics, and it comes off as the US sour graping when they have been the most dominant country in the Olympics year in, year out.

When Marion Jones and crew won, there was no one who downplayed them, and they ended up being found to use performance enhancing substances. Just let the IOC do their work. Strip medals when they find that the athlete/s did cheat.
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Post#228 » by Secret Lover14 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:41 am

im asian and alot of people think im in middle school even thought im a sophmore in college right now
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Post#229 » by dougthonus » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:45 am

I'm all for enforcing the rules, but crying cheaters based solely on looks is rather not convincing. Have you guys seen Chinese people? While there are some who look their age, there are a LOT of Chinese who look really young. In my experience alone, I have friends who were questioned at PG-13 movie theaters, and we were in 4th year college at the time.


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnis ... tics_N.htm

Their listed age at their events prior to the olympics has them at 13. Then the government gave them passports saying they are 16. You can believe what you want, but given that China has been caught falsifying age documents in other sports as well I think you'd be crazy to think these girls were actually 16.

They were the better team. I have no doubt about that. The US made a lot of mistakes. Woudl we have done better if we had 13 year olds? Beats me, I think had the US team just not made mistakes (much like the Chinese team) then we'd have won. However, that didn't happen.
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Post#230 » by Posey H8er » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:11 am

May/Walsh taking on Norway in beach volleyball. Tune in if you want to see the best of the best at their game.
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Post#231 » by abcdef » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:37 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijin ... &type=lgns

Wetzel has posted anti-China stuff in the past so you can't paint him as a pro-China stooge or whatever.

An American columnist is calling out the Karolyi's for sour grapes.

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Post#232 » by canoner » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:47 am

dougthonus wrote:
I'm all for enforcing the rules, but crying cheaters based solely on looks is rather not convincing. Have you guys seen Chinese people? While there are some who look their age, there are a LOT of Chinese who look really young. In my experience alone, I have friends who were questioned at PG-13 movie theaters, and we were in 4th year college at the time.


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnis ... tics_N.htm

Their listed age at their events prior to the olympics has them at 13. Then the government gave them passports saying they are 16. You can believe what you want, but given that China has been caught falsifying age documents in other sports as well I think you'd be crazy to think these girls were actually 16.

They were the better team. I have no doubt about that. The US made a lot of mistakes. Woudl we have done better if we had 13 year olds? Beats me, I think had the US team just not made mistakes (much like the Chinese team) then we'd have won. However, that didn't happen.


If team USA had a solid case, you don't think they would've taken it up to IOC, rather than talking to the media?
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Post#233 » by canoner » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:49 am

Posey H8er wrote:May/Walsh taking on Norway in beach volleyball. Tune in if you want to see the best of the best at their game.


It is boring because there is no competition, no suspense.
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Post#234 » by GQStylin » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:53 am

canoner wrote:
Posey H8er wrote:May/Walsh taking on Norway in beach volleyball. Tune in if you want to see the best of the best at their game.


It is boring because there is no competition, no suspense.


I think only the other American team has a chance at beating them.
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Post#235 » by canoner » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:03 am

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canoner wrote:
Posey H8er wrote:May/Walsh taking on Norway in beach volleyball. Tune in if you want to see the best of the best at their game.


It is boring because there is no competition, no suspense.


I think only the other American team has a chance at beating them.


Not till they reach the finals.
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Post#236 » by GQStylin » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:09 am

ARRRGHHHH!! Canada sooo close to a medal! :( Mike Brown only nine-one hundrerdth's of a second off from a bronze. That SUcKED!! :cry: :cry:
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Post#237 » by canoner » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:14 am

GQStylin wrote:ARRRGHHHH!! Canada sooo close to a medal! :( Mike Brown only nine-one hundrerdth's of a second off from a bronze. That SUcKED!! :cry: :cry:


so Canada remains a virgin :lol:
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Post#238 » by GQStylin » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:32 am

canoner wrote:so Canada remains a virgin :lol:


Screw you!! :evil: :(

If they don't win anything in the pool, I'm confident Canada will get some medals in rowing.

Also, this Chinese women's beach volleyball team looks pretty damn sweet! Both players with nice bodies and very nice tatas. :rock: :love: :love:
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Post#239 » by j127 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:47 am

So disappointing for Canada. Our best sports haven't come up yet, but still. It's the 6th day, and we're still empty-handed.

I wouldn't be surprised of Phelps wins more medals by himself than the entire Canadian Olympic team.
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Post#240 » by j127 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:53 am

abcdef wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/gymnastics/news;_ylt=AuRUC7AqcC3eoeN8t3zfAj05nYcB?slug=dw-karolyis081308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Wetzel has posted anti-China stuff in the past so you can't paint him as a pro-China stooge or whatever.

An American columnist is calling out the Karolyi's for sour grapes.

I'm loving it.

Do you want some cheese with that w(h)ine?


Well, what's done is done. I think the issue is over.

The thing I am most impressed with, even more so than the Chinese girls winning the gold, is the composure of the US girls. They looked beyond all that "cheating" and "underage" allegations, and they acknowledged and praised the Chinese for their win.

That to me is the best part of it all.

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