Idea: Bulls/Celtics 7 player-swap

[GreenGrizz]

Ray Allen was almost MVP for all-star game and NBA. Why should we trade him? We would be done if we do.

[Ortho Stice]

1) Kirk Hinrich - Rajon Rondo - x
2) Larry Hughes - Tony Allen - J.R. Giddens
3) Paul Pierce - Andres Nocioni - Bill Walker
4) Kevin Garnett - Leon Powe - Glen Davis
5) Kendrick Perkins - Patrick O'Bryant - Aaron Gray (/Semih Erden)

Hey, let's change 2/5ths of the starting line-up from a championship team with Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes! Brilliant idea, sir! Puke. Rondo is better than Hinrich, and at this point in their careers, I'd rather have Tony Allen starting than Hughes. We don't need depth at the PG position, especially not with an overrated and overpaid player, Hinrich. Larry Hughes is just overpaid, I'm pretty sure everyone knows how terrible he is now. The only good part of the deal is getting a solid Posey replacement (Nocioni) and depth at center. The future draft-pick is pretty useless considering the Celtics are trying to win now.

[GreenGrizz]

You guys are forgetting that Ray Allen is the purest shooter in the league.

[celticfan42487]

I'd love this trade and is exactly the type of trade I'd be estatic for if our team was an 2k9 roster.

We have too much chemistry to break them up now. Even if Ray Allen is noticably declining with hopefully a couple more good years in him.

And to get Hinrich I think we should have to take oh Hughes.

Alas, this is the real world with things like chemsitry and human bonds and for that I'd have to say no to it.

That said* if danny made the trade I'd be aomong the first to claim the wisdom in it.

[Tenbomber]

IMO... its very simple...You just dont break up a winner!

No.... to this and all deals that involve key Celtic players....

No means No!

[Red2]

for ray allen you better get gordon plus noah

[Ray Allen Iverson]

for ray allen you better get gordon plus noah

Gordon is not signing a contract for 10m$ a year, would you really want to pay him his asking price?

IMO... its very simple...You just dont break up a winner!

No.... to this and all deals that involve key Celtic players....

No means No!

Ok, got it.

Hey, let's change 2/5ths of the starting line-up from a championship team with Kirk Hinrich and Larry Hughes! Brilliant idea, sir! Puke.

Hughes and the pick are meant as trading fodder in order to get a further decent player, whose contract might interfere with a team's 2010 capspace plan (for instance Vince Carter for Larry Hughes, Chicago's 2009 pick and Boston's 2010 pick). The real replacement player for Ray Allen would be Kirk Hinrich and Andres Nocioni, who have both earned All-NBA defensive vots, while providing decent offense, mainly outside shooting, which, I've been told you are looking for, in order to compliment Garnett and Pierce.

Rondo is better than Hinrich, and at this point in their careers, I'd rather have Tony Allen starting than Hughes. We don't need depth at the PG position, especially not with an overrated and overpaid player, Hinrich. Larry Hughes is just overpaid, I'm pretty sure everyone knows how terrible he is now. The only good part of the deal is getting a solid Posey replacement (Nocioni) and depth at center. The future draft-pick is pretty useless considering the Celtics are trying to win now.

I got it, you don't like.

[Celtsfan1980]

If Deng, Gordon, or maybe even Noah were involved, I'd look into it, but I'd at least like to see how Pruitt can play given minutes before trading him. I'd prefer to keep the team together at least one more season before thinking about trades.

[MoBSTa]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8456 ... 162&ATT=73

Maybe there is something to this.
But really, why break up our GPA.
When we were behind last season we turned to Jesus to lead us to Victory.
Infact I think Ray Allen hit more game winners last season than Gordon his whole career.

Not to mention Gordon had a horrible season last year, and really has only proven to be a very good 6th man in this league. I like Gordon but not at 10 million plus a year infact if thats what we wanted we should have just paid Poz.

[floyd]

Ray stretched the D last year with his sweet stroke and quick release allowed Pierce and Garnett to operate. He is essential to this team and should remain important even as he slows down (see a Mr. Miller, Reggie), possibly in a 6th man role. To trade him for some over-payed, under-producing players that can't shoot would be a huge mistake. Particularly a pg that gets paid starter money but would most likley be the first guard off the bench in Hinrich.

[WuTang8611]

no

[GuyClinch]

Besides Rajon Rondo and Tony Allen, I don't see the Celtics having the quality depth in order to provide substantial relief for Ray Allen in the backcourt. The Celtics do not have a reliable backup point guard, that can pick up the slack, which would be caused by injuries to either Rondo or Allen and most importantly, the departure of James Posey hasn't been compensated by a MLE signing.

No. The real problem is you think because a guy has a name and plays alot of minutes he is "quality" that's not always true - and with the Bulls your sending over it's absolutely not true. In this league there are some mediocre players in GREAT situations who look better then mediocre players in BAD situations.

TA lost minutes in a numbers jam. In an open competition - trust me - Larry Hughes would have his hands full with TA. The guys your sending over aren't the net talent gain you imagine. As I said last year about the C's and Raptors. The "deep" bench is overrated. The main reason is - the NBA is STAR driven.

The gap in the NBA isn't between the Hughes and TAs. It's between the Pierces and the Vlad Rads. One extra LEGIT star gives your team a huge edge in a 5 man game. That's sounds like a wise ass comment - I Know. But it isn't. Get some STARS on your roster and then your remaining guys as long as they are at least NBA talents are going to do pretty well.

The gap between a TA and a Larry Hughes is so much smaller then you think.. The gap between a Eddie House and Kirk Hinrich is also smaller then you think. Forget the "name" and the "numbers" in actual play we wouldn't be gaining much - if anything. All that for loss of a legit star - hell no.

Pete

[buckner1976]

Successful Trade Scenario. Trade ID #4754463

The Boston Celtics trade: / the Chicago Bulls receive:

Ray Allen*
Gabe Pruitt**
Eddie House***
Brian Scalabrine*

* expiring in 2010
** team option for 2009/2010
*** player option for 2009/2010, can't be dealt until December, the 15th. He may be replaced by another former Boston player, for instance Scot Pollard.

Why this might work for the Chicago Bulls: Boston and Chicago seem to be good trading partners to me. Boston lacks depth on the wings, whereas Chicago has a glut of of swingmen. The Chicago Bulls receive the best player in the deal, who happens to have the perfect contract structure for Chicago's 2010 plan. Ray Allen is the lethal outside shooter to compliment Derrick Rose, with the ability to defend shooting guards. His experience will surely help a young team like Chicago in order to ease the transition of Derrick Rose to the NBA, as the rookie guard will benefit from a stable minute rotation in the backcourt and being relieved of a great load of pressure. This deal balances Chicago's tumultuous team and salary structure once and for all, while creating a stable outlook for the next seasons and maximum capspace for 2010. Their new team looks much better and more balanced to me than the current one.

1) Derrick Rose - Eddie House - Gabe Pruitt
2) Ray Allen - Ben Gordon (QO) - Thabo Sefolosha
3) Luol Deng - Thabo Sefolosha - Demetris Nichols
4) Tyrus Thomas - Thabo Sefolosha - Brian Scalabrine
5) Joakim Noah - Drew Gooden - Cedric Simmons

The Boston Celtics receive: / the Chicago Bulls trade:

Aaron Gray
Kirk Hinrich
Larry Hughes
Andres Nocioni
2009 1st-round draft pick (top10 through 2013, unprotected in 2013)

Why this might work for the Boston Celtics: This deal provides them with an influx of decent role players, who cover various facets of the game in order to compliment their 1-2 punch of Garnett and Pierce. Hinrich and Nocioni provide outside shooting, while Rondo and Pierce can focus on attacking the rim and converting foul shots.
In this proposal, the Celtics decide to take on Larry Hughes in order to get their hands on a pick in 2009 (reminder: Boston's 2009 1st-round draft pick is owed to Minnesota). Therefore, they agree on an expansion from a fundamental Hinrich/Nocioni for R. Allen swap to the proposed deal, which saves Chicago 6m$ this season alone, and further 65m$ (about 71m$ combined) over the next four seasons until 2012. Whether Boston can squeeze some production out of LH has to be seen, but it doesn't hurt them as much as Chicago to have him on their roster.
Clifford Ray is working with young big Patrick O'Bryant, so I thought that Aaron Gray might be of interest for you as well. He's basically the fourth big man in Chicago's rotation, which is trying to make room for Tyrus Thomas (and Thabo Sefolosha).

1) Kirk Hinrich - Rajon Rondo - x
2) Larry Hughes - Tony Allen - J.R. Giddens
3) Paul Pierce - Andres Nocioni - Bill Walker
4) Kevin Garnett - Leon Powe - Glen Davis
5) Kendrick Perkins - Patrick O'Bryant - Aaron Gray (/Semih Erden)

yeah not to pig pile, but this just seems like making a trade just to make a trade, which is good in nba live '09. not so much in real life. it seems like we're trading perimeter shooting just to get back...perimeter shooting. odd to say the least. and aaron gray and larry hughes are not good reasons to make a deal like this. in addition ray allens worth to this ballclub goes well beyond simple numbers. with the addition of rookie swingmen this offseason we want ray allen here more than anything.

[sully00]

This team is not going to trade Ray Allen. As important as winning is and Ray helps that, there is more to the deal with Ray Allen. To some extent having a guy who can score 26 ppg when you only need 17 is an embarrasment of riches, at the same time for all of the talk about leadership and status that is talked about with KG and Paul, Ray is truly the leader by example for this team. From his work ethic and the way he takes care of himself, to the respect that he commands from Paul and KG, and how he handles his role.

There is also an off the court element that in certain respects Wyc and Co. have paid for. His previous team no longer exhists and he has no connection to the Bucks. Ray lives in Conn and is a future HOF and total class act who seamlessly fits in the board room and on the golf course. While Paul will likely have a role in basketball beyond his playing days it will likely be behind the mike or even in the FO, I don't see KG really hanging around much once he hangs up the sneakers. But Ray has interest in things beyond basketball and the Celtics are a billionaire boys club as far as their ownership group goes.

If you haven't noticed those connections to the passed that they love to trot out there are starting to look pretty old and gray and kind of clash with the fireworks and dancers. Ray looks pretty good a in a suit, waiving to the crowd and talking to the media.

[Ray Allen Iverson]

Thanks to those, who took time for their feedback (sully00, GuyClinch, ...), which I really appreciate. I can understand the criticism and all that jazz...

[ddb]

The Celtics aren't trading Ray Allen. And the dumbest part about the original post was in the revised starting lineup you had Hinrich starting over Rondo. hahahahahaha. WOW.

[Big Baby]

Ray Allen was almost MVP for all-star game and NBA. Why should we trade him? We would be done if we do.

and almost MVP of the Finals. Ray Allen WILL BE the Finals MVP next year. Book it.

[TheSheriff]

I would trade Ray Allen to the Bulls but only for Deng and two first round picks.

[sh00n]

Aaron Gray - Trash
Kirk Hinrich - Overrated Trash
Larry Hughes - Garbage
Andres Nocioni - Overrated garbage

Really?

[pballa]

Aaron Gray - Trash
Kirk Hinrich - Overrated Trash
Larry Hughes - Garbage
Andres Nocioni - Overrated garbage

pretty much post of the year