Olympics: 200 metres?

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Post#61 » by Squirrel Boy » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:41 pm

TheGlyde wrote:Can I ask where are you getting your maths?

Whats the 0.24?

If you are saying a 10.1 bend are you then saying a 8.94 straight to get to 19.04?

a) the first 100m is on a bend, he won't run a 9.69 bend, the semi ~10flat was about as fast as he will go
b) the 2nd 100 has a running start, straight maths wornt work and
c) I don't care who you are, no man in history has ever run 100% intesity for the 200m without slowing toward the end.


www.charliefrancis.com threads.

Charlie Francis was the coach of Ben Johnson. He sorted out the math. Here's his post on that thread.

Originally Posted by Charlie Francis
I base it on the hand time era conversions coaches used to use for best case scenarios as follows:
For 200m 2 x 100m + or - .2
For 400m 2 x 200m + 3.5 sec
To get to hand, you need to pull .24 off first- do the calculation, then add .24 back to the end result.
For example MJ: 19.1 + 19.1 + 3.5 = 41.7 add back .24 (approx) and you have 41.94


This isn't a "likely to win" description. This is a coaches' calculation for what a 100m performance should allow you to do in the 200m. The standard rule is 2 x 100m performance BUT that's a hand timed calculation, so you must convert to hand time and add back the electric at the end. Allowing a very very modest adjustment for the celebration, subtract .24 from 9.64 and you get 9.4 x 2 = 18.8 . add back the .24 and you get 19.04.
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Re: Olympics: 200 metres? 

Post#62 » by Squirrel Boy » Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:46 pm

I'd take a former coach's advice over yours by the way. He gets the record with a negative headwind. The 19.04 does sound vaild for Bolt, who, in my opinion, is also capable of breaking the 400 record. He went up the high school ranks as a 400 runner and he is a strong 400 guy himself.

Bolt also said in an interview the reason him and other 100 sprinters (Gay and Powell) have endurance and stamina is because of the 400 training they do.

Jamaica needs a 4th leg and I hope Bolt is up for it. Imagine Bolt anchoring the 400 going one on one against Wariner. Ahhh.
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Post#63 » by TheGlyde » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:31 am

Lol, well err since MJ ran 43.18 and his maths comes out at 41.94 I'm not sure how well it works.

MJ's 100m PB was 10.09... 10.09 - 0.24 = 9.85 * 2 + 0.24 = 19.94... 19.94 vs 19.32 err whoops.

Everyone runs things differently, a standard maths formula isn't going to work.

MJ was a 400m runner and his last 100m was faster than Bolts

MJ ran a 9.2 straight after a 10.12 bend.
Off my tape in the final, I get Bolt at about a 10.0 bend again, and a 9.3 straight.
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Post#64 » by TheGlyde » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:33 am

Also on the 400, I'd love to see him run it, I'm not sure he has the guts for it anymore, he started out as a 200/400 guy but started runnins 100s because he didn't want to run 400s anymore.

If he wanted to, I believe he would be the first man on the planet to ever break 10sec/20sec/44sec
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Post#65 » by Squirrel Boy » Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:07 am

That's true man. I stated on another thread that Bolt came up thru the Jamaican High School Ranks as a 200/400 guy. Those were his bread and butter. This season he picked up the 100 for speed endurance for those events.

And away he goes. The sport got another superstar for the 100 that we wouldn't have had if he focused on the 200/400, where he would have been a superstar regardless.
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