My First Personnel Request of TT

[Mags FTW]

Get Lito Sheppard. Please. The dropoff from woodson/harris to our 3rd DB is just too steep. Lee has talent but is too ripe, and the others are too hit or miss. After QB, CB is probably the area where we can least afford an injury. QBs are pretty much set around the league, but there's a quality CB out there for the taking. Go get him before AZ swings a Bouldin trade for him.

[MetroDrugUnit]

Lito, oh oh oh ooooh oh oh

[eagle13]

Get Lito Sheppard. Please. The dropoff from woodson/harris to our 3rd DB is just too steep. Lee has talent but is too ripe, and the others are too hit or miss. After QB, CB is probably the area where we can least afford an injury. QBs are pretty much set around the league, but there's a quality CB out there for the taking. Go get him before AZ swings a Bouldin trade for him.

Amen!

AND maybe we can get a DT who is an above average inside pass rusher who is also decent against the run, can play DE if needed, is a great locker room guy, is in his prime and is signed long term to a reasonable deal - for a 2nd rd pick.

[Wade-A-Holic]

I actually like Tramon Williams. I think he's pretty steady. He's not great, but he's solid and doesn't make mistakes. I'm more concerned about Harris or Woodson themselves (more so Harris) experiencing a drop off due to age.

I also think that our defensive line is the position alongside quarterback at which we can least afford an injury. Our depth at defensive tackle looks like those little kid Seattle Seahawk offensive linemen in that Matt Hasselbeck commercial.

[eagle13]

I actually like Tramon Williams. I think he's pretty steady. He's not great, but he's solid and doesn't make mistakes. I'm more concerned about Harris or Woodson themselves (more so Harris) experiencing a drop off due to age.

I like TW also but he made 2 big mistakes this last game. He's OK as nickel - better only as dime at this point. Disaster if he were full time starter.

[ReasonablySober]

The thing is that 95% of the teams in the NFL are screwed if one of their starters goes down. Most don't even have the quality at the #2 CB that the Packers do. I think we're going to have to draft a #1 quality CB down the line, but I like TW and Lee.

I wish we had another 320 lb warm body to thrown in there on the D-Line, though. Even if Harrell isn't great, just him being healthy and able to take up space would be fine right now. I think when cuts are made TT brings someone in, maybe via trade like Grant last season.

[Bernman]

The thing is that 95% of the teams in the NFL are screwed if one of their starters goes down. Most don't even have the quality at the #2 CB that the Packers do. I think we're going to have to draft a #1 quality CB down the line, but I like TW and Lee.

I wish we had another 320 lb warm body to thrown in there on the D-Line, though. Even if Harrell isn't great, just him being healthy and able to take up space would be fine right now. I think when cuts are made TT brings someone in, maybe via trade like Grant last season.

It's debatable whether we're worse off than other teams if a DT or CB get injured. But it's not debatable that we are worse off than just about anyone right now if our starting quarterback gets injured. And it's not as if Aaron has established a precedent of virtual invincibility like our previous QB. It's very reasonable to believe an injury could occur, therefore you need insurance. You want our season to be completely hopeless if one player gets injured?

If TT's reticence to sign a veteran quarterback is as a result of not wanting to sacrifice one of the two rookies, since we can only justify carrying three, then he shouldn't have shown the lack of foresight in the first place to draft 2 unproven young quarterbacks and lock them into being our only options at backups. I'd have no problem personally with cutting Brohm - then again I didn't like him in the first place, and he's shown to be even worse than I had expected. TT was high enough on him to spend a 2nd rounder so obviously he's not going anywhere. I've always been intrigued by Flynn, but if it meant acquiring some insurance for the next couple seasons at his expense, then so be it. Cut him and hope he's not picked up by another team before we can offer him a spot on our practice squad. Even if we lost him and he became some stud starter eventually, what would be the harm to the Packers really, if we're high on Rodgers? At best he shines in a few pre-seasons like Hasselbeck behind Favre and we get move up 7 spots in the 1st or a 3rd-4th round pick equivalence. Not picking up a capable backup just would be bias toward his draftees on TT's part.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Hoepfully, no one gets injured this year, but they better draft 2 high DBs next year.

[xTitan]

Get Lito Sheppard. Please. The dropoff from woodson/harris to our 3rd DB is just too steep. Lee has talent but is too ripe, and the others are too hit or miss. After QB, CB is probably the area where we can least afford an injury. QBs are pretty much set around the league, but there's a quality CB out there for the taking. Go get him before AZ swings a Bouldin trade for him.

Amen!

AND maybe we can get a DT who is an above average inside pass rusher who is also decent against the run, can play DE if needed, is a great locker room guy, is in his prime and is signed long term to a reasonable deal - for a 2nd rd pick.

Corey Williams was rated below average against the run, did provide an inside pass rush but was not consistent enough against good teams and the packers just felt he wasn't worth the money. GB believed that Jolly was an up and comer to go with the very good Pickett and that you had depth with Harrell, Cole, and a decent prospect in Muir.....sometimes things don't work out how you seem them, hopefully this will be adddressed at cutdown time.

[xTitan]

Hoepfully, no one gets injured this year, but they better draft 2 high DBs next year.

They have Lee, Blackmon, Williams.....all young players and Lee was a second rounder this year...Williams has 1 bad series and everyone wants to bale on him? How about develop some sort of pass rush, any kind of pass rush. I believe and will always believe the Packers will never have a great defense until Sanders is fired, he is so vanilla, bend but don't break.....the strength of this team is its linebackers and they continue to be under utilyzed.

[El Duderino]

Get Lito Sheppard. Please. The dropoff from woodson/harris to our 3rd DB is just too steep. Lee has talent but is too ripe, and the others are too hit or miss. After QB, CB is probably the area where we can least afford an injury. QBs are pretty much set around the league, but there's a quality CB out there for the taking. Go get him before AZ swings a Bouldin trade for him.

Amen!

AND maybe we can get a DT who is an above average inside pass rusher who is also decent against the run, can play DE if needed, is a great locker room guy, is in his prime and is signed long term to a reasonable deal - for a 2nd rd pick.

Corey Williams was rated below average against the run, did provide an inside pass rush but was not consistent enough against good teams and the packers just felt he wasn't worth the money. GB believed that Jolly was an up and comer to go with the very good Pickett and that you had depth with Harrell, Cole, and a decent prospect in Muir.....sometimes things don't work out how you seem them, hopefully this will be adddressed at cutdown time.

My big issue in regard to Corey Williams was not signing him before he had a second really good year and thus got very expensive instead of just expensive. When we signed Jenkins to to his 4yr deal before last season, Williams said a few times to the media that he was also very open to extension. The team though blew him off until it was to late and his value skyrocketed.

I'm obviously not his agent, but there is no doubt he wasn't asking for the 18 million in guaranteed money he ended up getting from the Browns. Jenkins got 4yrs/16 million and i'd guess Williams would have wanted more, but not a ton more. That was the time i was irritated that Thompson made no effort to extend Williams, especially because we had plenty of cap space at the time to structure the deal so that a good chunk of the bonus wouldn't have had to be spread out over the life of the contract.

As for his play, yea he wasn't some great run stuffer, but he wasn't some huge liability vs the run either like some inside rushers are, Jenkins being that type when he plays DT. The pass rushing pressures dwindling as the year went on is overblown and not entirely Williams fault. He was asked to play to many downs, plain and simple. Williams was second in snaps played on the line, that will wear down any guy carrying over 300 pounds. He not only played plenty of 1st/2nd down snaps, Williams was asked to pass rush on all 2nd/3rd and long situations and all 2 minute situations which is exhausting for those big guys. None of the other DT's were asked to play all the snaps he was, so he wore down some, as did Kampman. In the end though, 300 plus pound DT's who can be decent vs the run and pressure the QB are very hard to find, i just don't get why we unnecessarily let a still young one leave. Talented big men like Williams are what teams gamble high picks in the draft on every year because the need is larger than the supply. Just because he wasn't without flaw doesn't mean it wasn't dumb to let him go.

[El Duderino]

Hoepfully, no one gets injured this year, but they better draft 2 high DBs next year.

They have Lee, Blackmon, Williams.....all young players and Lee was a second rounder this year...Williams has 1 bad series and everyone wants to bale on him? How about develop some sort of pass rush, any kind of pass rush. I believe and will always believe the Packers will never have a great defense until Sanders is fired, he is so vanilla, bend but don't break.....the strength of this team is its linebackers and they continue to be under utilyzed.

I'm not a fan of Sanders either. It wasn't just his refusal to blitz last year as the defensive line wore down that bugged me, it was also the lack of creativity on the rare times he did blitz.

I'd watch other teams blitz us with various blitz packages involving not just linebackers, but Sanders seemed to have just two blitzes, send either one or two linebackers and that was it. Given our three linebackers combined for a measly 4 sacks, that tells the story of how few times his blitzes actually got the QB.

[eagle13]

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They have Lee, Blackmon, Williams.....all young players and Lee was a second rounder this year...Williams has 1 bad series and everyone wants to bale on him? How about develop some sort of pass rush, any kind of pass rush. I believe and will always believe the Packers will never have a great defense until Sanders is fired, he is so vanilla, bend but don't break.....the strength of this team is its linebackers and they continue to be under utilyzed.[/quote]

Your citing lame pass rush is valid. Hence my mention of Cory Williams. However as to our CBs.

I am not down on TW but he is NOT ready to be regular CB if injury were to happen. He's maybe OK as nickel this year. He MIGHT be ready next year.

As for rest - Lee, Blackmon, Bush - totally unproven -that's not negative - that is objective fact. Oh one thing is pretty close to proven - Bush has almost totally proven he sucks as CB. Good on ST tho so never more than #10 DB.

So considering starter's age - we are on thin ice there this year. and considering rookie CBs often take a year or two to develop ...

[eagle13]

My big issue in regard to Corey Williams was not signing him before he had a second really good year and thus got very expensive instead of just expensive. When we signed Jenkins to to his 4yr deal before last season, Williams said a few times to the media that he was also very open to extension. The team though blew him off until it was to late and his value skyrocketed.

As for his play, yea he wasn't some great run stuffer, but he wasn't some huge liability vs the run either like some inside rushers are, Jenkins being that type when he plays DT. The pass rushing pressures dwindling as the year went on is overblown and not entirely Williams fault. He was asked to play to many downs, plain and simple. Williams was second in snaps played on the line, that will wear down any guy carrying over 300 pounds. He not only played plenty of 1st/2nd down snaps, Williams was asked to pass rush on all 2nd/3rd and long situations and all 2 minute situations which is exhausting for those big guys. None of the other DT's were asked to play all the snaps he was, so he wore down some, as did Kampman. In the end though, 300 plus pound DT's who can be decent vs the run and pressure the QB are very hard to find, i just don't get why we unnecessarily let a still young one leave. Talented big men like Williams are what teams gamble high picks in the draft on every year because the need is larger than the supply. Just because he wasn't without flaw doesn't mean it wasn't dumb to let him go.

Truth!