nba 2k9 or nba 09live rankings

[Jase]

These are definitely his own ratings. No way anyone is a 34 in the game, no matter how bad you are. I think the worst person in the game last year was a 50 or something.

Here's what I think:

PG - Harris [84] Williams [75]
SG - VC [90] CDR [74] Ager [68]
SF - Hayes [76] Simmons [73] Hassell [71]
PF - Yi [77] SWAT [77] Najera [76] Anderson [72]
C - Boone [78] Lopez [77] Swift [68]

EDIT: I forgot Hassell

And here is Krstic & Boki for the hell of it

Krstic [76]

This one seems much more reasonable for Simmons. I can't see him being ranked as high as the initial post.
Nachbar [76]

[Brampton boy]

yes, I believe the usual cutoff date is mid-August. However, NBA Live 09 will update every day throughout the season. That's right, in case you're not aware, NBA Live 09 will update each day and reflect the tendencies and ratings by the result of the previous nights game. This includes rosters, but goes far beyond that. Don't worry, if you don't like the adjusted tendencies/ratings, you can turn the feature off and still have up-to-date rosters.

For this reason alone im buying nba live 09.

[NetsForce]

I'd show patience when purchasing a basketball game, let the reviews come in, let your friends purchase the games then play both and make a decision for yourself.

I used to buy the Live series but after '06, 07' and 08' were basically unplayable (on the PS2) they had numerous basic flaws that ruined the entire game (players wouldn't fatigue right, you couldn't turn fatigue off, the point guard of the opposing team would shoot nearly 80% of the shots, the stat simulation engine was garbage, etc.). Since then I switched over to the 2k series but the one thing that doesn't impress me with 2k is the lack of improvements from game to game.

While EA generally finds some way to screw up their games you have to give them props for unveiling a new features such as their DNA one every year (more or less).

[Devilzsidewalk]

Yi should be like a 71 but with a decent potential rating. Other than shooting you cant give him good ratings. Rebounding - no, inside scoring - no, awareness - no , passing - no

[rag-time4]

Boone and Yi are the most overrated players in this thread, in my opinion, while Swift is the most underrated.

I don't think Boone really belongs anywhere above 70. He doesn't do much. His shooting stinks, free throws are abominable, no ball handling to speak of, soft defense, doesn't provide defensive presence.

All he can do is block people out and get boards... and he's not even great at that. The next Duane Causwell? Maybe even Causwell was better...

And as for Yi, he also seems really soft. I agree with the last poster... shooting seems to be his biggest strength... but he does look like a good offensive player. I'm looking forward to seeing him play and develop, but I don't think either of these guys should be playing over Stromile Swift.

And ranking Najera above Swift is just a travesty.

[Preludepunk27]

Boone and Yi are the most overrated players in this thread, in my opinion, while Swift is the most underrated.

I don't think Boone really belongs anywhere above 70. He doesn't do much. His shooting stinks, free throws are abominable, no ball handling to speak of, soft defense, doesn't provide defensive presence.

All he can do is block people out and get boards... and he's not even great at that. The next Duane Causwell? Maybe even Causwell was better...

And as for Yi, he also seems really soft. I agree with the last poster... shooting seems to be his biggest strength... but he does look like a good offensive player. I'm looking forward to seeing him play and develop, but I don't think either of these guys should be playing over Stromile Swift.

And ranking Najera above Swift is just a travesty.

How's the offseason working our for you Stro? You enjoying your summer?

[rag-time4]

Boone and Yi are the most overrated players in this thread, in my opinion, while Swift is the most underrated.

I don't think Boone really belongs anywhere above 70. He doesn't do much. His shooting stinks, free throws are abominable, no ball handling to speak of, soft defense, doesn't provide defensive presence.

All he can do is block people out and get boards... and he's not even great at that. The next Duane Causwell? Maybe even Causwell was better...

And as for Yi, he also seems really soft. I agree with the last poster... shooting seems to be his biggest strength... but he does look like a good offensive player. I'm looking forward to seeing him play and develop, but I don't think either of these guys should be playing over Stromile Swift.

And ranking Najera above Swift is just a travesty.

How's the offseason working our for you Stro? You enjoying your summer?

Check out ya boy Josh Boone's AWESOME defensive presence on this vid

The Nets were down by four, yet Boone made no effort at all to stop the offensive player from getting an easy dunk. That's not a player anyone should be rooting for.

[Preludepunk27]

Ya know you can rip on the guy all you want. He's a 3rd year player. He never had a real offseason. He's worked his but off the last to years to make the rotation. He's an extremely hard position to guard for a young player. But bottom line, he's progressed every year and his work ethic which was questions coming in to the league has never become a question over the past 2 years. The fact he's worked his way on the court and was successful the last two years is telling. There are not many big men entering their 3rd year in this league I'd rate over him. Boone is at best a 75, but between 69-72 is very realistic for a compitent big man.

Explain me this too: If Stro is so good, how has he worn out his welcome and sent to the bench EVERYWHERE he's played. When you can't even make the rotation in your third system, that speaks volumes and you gotta start blaming yourself instead of the coaches/system. Maybe if Stro was playing against folding chairs like Yi, he'd make the rotation, but he is basically just a seat warmer on the bench and his rating should reflect that at this point.

[rag-time4]

Ya know you can rip on the guy all you want. He's a 3rd year player. He never had a real offseason. He's worked his but off the last to years to make the rotation. He's an extremely hard position to guard for a young player. But bottom line, he's progressed every year and his work ethic which was questions coming in to the league has never become a question over the past 2 years. The fact he's worked his way on the court and was successful the last two years is telling. There are not many big men entering their 3rd year in this league I'd rate over him. Boone is at best a 75, but between 69-72 is very realistic for a compitent big man.

Explain me this too: If Stro is so good, how has he worn out his welcome and sent to the bench EVERYWHERE he's played. When you can't even make the rotation in your third system, that speaks volumes and you gotta start blaming yourself instead of the coaches/system. Maybe if Stro was playing against folding chairs like Yi, he'd make the rotation, but he is basically just a seat warmer on the bench and his rating should reflect that at this point.

Stats in video games shouldn't reflect a player's inability to get along with his coaches. Stromile was most certainly in the rotation in Memphis under Hubie Brown and Mike Fratello. Stromile was the backup center behind Lorenzen Wright and was the key player on the Grizzlies defense-minded second unit. Those Grizzlies won 50 games and made the playoffs. In march of 04, when Lorenzen Wright went down with a knee injury and Swift's minutes were increased, the Grizzlies set a franchise record for wins in a month! (which was key in making the playoffs!!)

The following season (04/05), Stromile had to start in the place of an injured Pau Gasol a total of 13 times, and the team went 9-4 in those 13 games. In those 4 losses, the margin of defeat for the Grizzlies was never greater than 3 points. Here's Swift's game log from that season.. you can see for yourself.

So that's success with two different coaches... But at the end of the 04/05 season, Swift was part of the group of players who wore Bonzi Wells' #6 armband in support of Wells, who was not allowed to enter the FedEx Forum for game 4 of the playoff series vs the Suns.. so that must have helped to sour his relationship with Mike Fratello.

How do you reflect that armband rebellion in video game stats?

In Houston, Swift was treated harshly by Jeff Van Gundy. At the end of games, Swift was often pulled out for Juwan Howard and Ryan Bowen. The Rockets announcers could never figure out why the Rockets had such trouble surrendering 4th quarter leads... Normally Juwan Howard played the 1st and 3rd quarters, and Swift played the 2nd and 4th quarters. (note lopsided boxscores, such as the game @ Boston) Check out the diffirence between the 1st and 3rd quarters compared to the 2nd and 4th quarters! Regardless, Swift was certainly a rotation player in Houston.

Swift missed a lot of games that season due to pink eye, and he also got in trouble for being late to a meeting once. These kinds of things led to a downward spiral for his relationship with Van Gundy... not what was happening on the court.

A key difference between video games and the NBA is that in the NBA players may be penalized for reasons other than their skills (or lack thereof)... whereas in a video game you can just play the best players.

[jeff1624]

Then why can't he find minutes anywhere he goes??

If he's that good he should have no trouble finding minutes especially on a team that won 30 something games...

[Preludepunk27]

Stro face it, you're not gonna get the love from this board. Just hope the Nets trade you or buy you out so you can "prove us wrong." Our front court was completely worthless last year and you STILL couldn't get off the bench at the end of the season.

[rag-time4]

Then why can't he find minutes anywhere he goes??

If he's that good he should have no trouble finding minutes especially on a team that won 30 something games...

How can you say Swift can't find minutes anywhere he goes when I showed you where he got minutes wherever he went? You're not making sense here.

Also, by your logic, Magloire wasn't 'good enough' to play at all, because clearly the fact that he didn't play at all means he's no good at all, right?

Stro face it, you're not gonna get the love from this board. Just hope the Nets trade you or buy you out so you can "prove us wrong." Our front court was completely worthless last year and you STILL couldn't get off the bench at the end of the season.

Swift will get love from this board as long as I'm here, at least from me. I'm a human being too, and my voice counts just as much as yours. So even though you delight in mocking me for being a Swift fan, I refuse to be bullied and I'm still going to support him.

[Preludepunk27]

It's basically like the Jason Collins situation. A few guys absolutely loved him (myself included) and more guys hated him. I was a HUGE Lucious Harris fan as well and many people on this board when he was on the team were not fans of him. You're not alone in loving someone most people hate. I've even gone to bad for both Zach Randolph and Eddie Curry to the Nets a couple times within the past 2 years and gotten razzed by a TON of people. I'm just convinced you are, in fact, Stromile Swift that's all.

[rag-time4]

It's basically like the Jason Collins situation. A few guys absolutely loved him (myself included) and more guys hated him. I was a HUGE Lucious Harris fan as well and many people on this board when he was on the team were not fans of him. You're not alone in loving someone most people hate. I've even gone to bad for both Zach Randolph and Eddie Curry to the Nets a couple times within the past 2 years and gotten razzed by a TON of people. I'm just convinced you are, in fact, Stromile Swift that's all.

I'm really hoping Swift gets a legit shot to be a starter, and I hope he's treated well. If he's just gonna be buried on the bench because he's an expiring contract, this season isn't going to be any fun for me, and I don't think the Nets will do much. If he's given a chance and things click, it will really help his career. This is a big year for him because he's going into his second opportunity to sign a free agent contract. (The first being when he signed with Houston)

No I'm not Swift, just a huge fan! I've been following him since the 02/03 season.

[jeff1624]

Then why can't he find minutes anywhere he goes??

If he's that good he should have no trouble finding minutes especially on a team that won 30 something games...

How can you say Swift can't find minutes anywhere he goes when I showed you where he got minutes wherever he went? You're not making sense here.

Also, by your logic, Magloire wasn't 'good enough' to play at all, because clearly the fact that he didn't play at all means he's no good at all, right?

Stro face it, you're not gonna get the love from this board. Just hope the Nets trade you or buy you out so you can "prove us wrong." Our front court was completely worthless last year and you STILL couldn't get off the bench at the end of the season.

Swift will get love from this board as long as I'm here, at least from me. I'm a human being too, and my voice counts just as much as yours. So even though you delight in mocking me for being a Swift fan, I refuse to be bullied and I'm still going to support him.

Stro didn't play in Memphis this year nor de he play here. He barely played in Houston and if he's as good as you claim he should have never been lorenzen wrights backup for god sakes..

Face it he's a below average player who never achieved his potential...

[rag-time4]

Stro didn't play in Memphis this year nor de he play here. He barely played in Houston and if he's as good as you claim he should have never been lorenzen wrights backup for god sakes..

Face it he's a below average player who never achieved his potential...

But he was back in Memphis in the first place because Jerry West reaquired him. The same Jerry West who extended his rookie contract every year.

Swift was actually starting with Gasol in the preseason, but when the regular season started, they decided to start Darko. Often, the Griz went with a small lineup with Rudy Gay at PF, so they could get Juan Carlos Navarro on the court. The results of their decision speak for themselves. Navarro didn't even show them any loyalty, even though they favored him and the small lineup over Stromile Swift and a bigger lineup.

If you look at Swift's game log and see the first two games he started, youll notice in the first one he had a great game. Stromile outplayed Darko in the preseason, and had been starting in the preseason. The Griz started 2-6 without Swift in the starting lineup.

In his first start, Swift was matched up with Jeff Green of the Sonics. You can see Swift was totally dominant against the smaller opponent... shooting 10-14 while getting 4 assists. 24 points in 24 minutes. Dominant. The next game, he was matched up with Chris Bosh. When Swift got into foul trouble, the Griz had trouble with Bosh. Mike Miller was 0-5 from the 3 point line and Navarro had a horrible game, shooting 1-5.

Despite the obvious effect of Stromile leaving the ballgame against the Raptors, and despite Navarro's poor performance, in the next game, Navarro was rewarded by being put into the starting lineup, while Swift was benched. Rudy Gay was moved to PF.

One of the real ironies is that Navarro wasn't a more effective scorer than Stromile, even though Navarro was specifically supposed to be an offensive player while Swift isn't regarded as such.