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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#21 » by flyingvee » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:38 am

These International games have shown us just how over-rated Dwight is. Not at he's not a greta player, but he i sno super-star. The on;y way dwight could win anything is by having eithe a Kobe or Dwayne Wage next to him as did Shaq.
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#22 » by Devin 1L » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:39 am

flyingvee wrote:These International games have shown us just how over-rated Dwight is. Not at he's not a greta player, but he i sno super-star. The on;y way dwight could win anything is by having eithe a Kobe or Dwayne Wage next to him as did Shaq.


Yeah, except for the fact that the Olympics are about the worst possible avenue for Dwight to display his abilities as they would be used in the NBA.

He plays for the Orlando Magic in the NBA, and under those conditions, his play in the NBA is what he should be judged by.
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#23 » by mhectorgato » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:30 pm

flyingvee wrote:These International games have shown us just how over-rated Dwight is. Not at he's not a greta player, but he i sno super-star. The on;y way dwight could win anything is by having eithe a Kobe or Dwayne Wage next to him as did Shaq.


Let's see ... how many rings did Shaq win without his wing man? None. Is Shaq - a certain HOFer - overrated?

Did Olajuwon win big without Clyde? Is Hakeem overrated then as well? Isn't he a certain HOFer?

In recent history, how many big men have won a championships alone, without another star player next to them?

This not to say that Dwight is where we want him to be. He's got work to do still, afterall he's only been in the league for 4 years and is still a youngin'.

From watching the games this season, wouldn't you say a term to sum up our team, for the most part: "As Dwight goes, so go the Magic"? How many times have we seen the team struggle when Dwight does? To me that says he's rated highly for a reason.


One question for you, why aren't you sporting the Dwight in LA avatar anymore?
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#24 » by SevereMagic » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:46 pm

Has everyone forgotten that DH is a 22 year phenom that dominated the NBA as a Center this past season and hasn't missed a game since he's arrived. 20PPG 14RPG...

Are you guys kidding? Overrated or not (who's to say) Dwight is only going to get more seasoned as times goes on... WATCH OUT!

GO MAGIC!! Keep it up DH and stay focussed! Looking forward to seeing you bang em down with the new teammates this season!
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Post#25 » by imonfire99 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:48 pm

mhectorgato wrote:
flyingvee wrote:These International games have shown us just how over-rated Dwight is. Not at he's not a greta player, but he i sno super-star. The on;y way dwight could win anything is by having eithe a Kobe or Dwayne Wage next to him as did Shaq.


Let's see ... how many rings did Shaq win without his wing man? None. Is Shaq - a certain HOFer - overrated?

Did Olajuwon win big without Clyde?
Is Hakeem overrated then as well? Isn't he a certain HOFer?

In recent history, how many big men have won a championships alone, without another star player next to them?

This not to say that Dwight is where we want him to be. He's got work to do still, afterall he's only been in the league for 4 years and is still a youngin'.

From watching the games this season, wouldn't you say a term to sum up our team, for the most part: "As Dwight goes, so go the Magic"? How many times have we seen the team struggle when Dwight does? To me that says he's rated highly for a reason.


One question for you, why aren't you sporting the Dwight in LA avatar anymore?


Actually Hakeem won his first Championship without Drexler who was traded for from Portland the next season. Hakeem pretty much single handedly took his team to a championship in 1994, his supporting cast was Horry and Kenny Smith.
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Post#26 » by Force9024 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:58 pm

imonfire99 wrote:Actually Hakeem won his first Championship without Drexler who was traded for from Portland the next season. Hakeem pretty much single handedly took his team to a championship in 1994, his supporting cast was Horry and Kenny Smith.


Hakeem was definitely the reason they got the championship but he had a STRONG supporting cast. A young Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Otis Thorpe avg'd 14 ppg, 10 rpg, Vernon Maxwell 14ppg,5apg and oh yeah don't forget our ex-interim head coach Chris Jent. Who all supported at least 10ppg. Then you of course had Mario Elie and Sam Cassell. Solid team.

Remember, Hakeem was 31 in 94? Dwight's still only 22 right now.
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Post#27 » by SOUL » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:03 pm

c'mon now, you know this is not acceptable...
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#28 » by Force9024 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:09 pm

flyingvee wrote:These International games have shown us just how over-rated Dwight is. Not at he's not a greta player, but he i sno super-star. The on;y way dwight could win anything is by having eithe a Kobe or Dwayne Wage next to him as did Shaq.


Dwight will never be overrated. How is a guy avg 20ppg,14rpg, 2bpg in the regular season, 18.9ppg,16rpg,3bpg in the playoffs overrated and not a superstar. What because he doesn't handle the ball often, like he would if being a 2 guard and doesn't shoot 25-30 times a game, is that why he's not a superstar? Teams have to double and even sometimes TRIPLE team him to prevent him from scoring, hacking away because they know the one trouble he has is FT shooting. Wait.. Didn't Shaq have the same problem? And now Shaq's overrated? To me if you have to change a teams game plan because teams have to double and sometimes triple team and foul like crazy to keep him down and he still breaks thru with 20ppg,14rpg,2bpg. I'd say that's a superstar. Just like teams have to plan against going up against Lebron or Kobe, knowing they're capabilities.

Dwight will win a title with or without another superstar. We can say Rashard isn't a superstar, but he's still a star. Dwight and Rashard are a pretty good duo, and you surround that with a supporting cast of Hedo Turkoglu, Mikael Pietrus, Jameer Nelson, and possibly Courtney Lee(Pending how he turns out in the real games) and you got a good supporting cast.

Let's not judge Dwight not being able to win anything based off the olympics. The USA team had a chip on their shoulder and they all put they're ego's and roles aside to become a team. That game is TOTALLY different than the NBA game.
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#29 » by flyingvee » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:50 pm

Soul wrote:vee is a dumbass troll anyway,dont even respond to him...


I'm the dumbass troll? What rock did you crawl out from under Superfly? Howard is over-raed by you guys. He's the ONLY center in the east other than Zilgauskas, theres not one to guard him in hteast. He can't shoot freethrows and he has zero outside game. My point is Dwight is NOT going to lead this team or any team to a championship without another superstar next to him, as you guys feel he can. Olajuwan did do it without another superstar. Not taking away the fact that he's a talent, but he has stopped progressing and will never be as good as any of the classic 80's/90's centers like Shaq, Robinson, Duncan, Ewing. Mourning. It's not that the Olympics didn't let Dwight shine, it's that it showed that he has no game other than to just dunk on the inside.
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#30 » by SOUL » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:44 am

flyingvee wrote:
Soul wrote:vee is a dumbass troll anyway,dont even respond to him...


I'm the dumbass troll? What rock did you crawl out from under Superfly? Howard is over-raed by you guys. He's the ONLY center in the east other than Zilgauskas, theres not one to guard him in hteast. He can't shoot freethrows and he has zero outside game. My point is Dwight is NOT going to lead this team or any team to a championship without another superstar next to him, as you guys feel he can. Olajuwan did do it without another superstar. Not taking away the fact that he's a talent, but he has stopped progressing and will never be as good as any of the classic 80's/90's centers like Shaq, Robinson, Duncan, Ewing. Mourning. It's not that the Olympics didn't let Dwight shine, it's that it showed that he has no game other than to just dunk on the inside.


im one of the least homeristic people on this board... people have gotten mad because ill call them out when they start overratting the hell out of some of our players/team... im just saying that olympics has nothing to do with the NBA.. Tim Duncan struggled in fiba and has 3 rings with no "superstar" beside him.. 2 very good players yes but hardly stars.. dwight is only 22 and progressed every year how can you say he isnt progressing?

he needs to hit his fts and get more of an inside game, but him struggling on offense in the olympics doesn't mean **** IMO..
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Re: Sentinel Article on Dwight 

Post#31 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:00 pm

SevereMagic wrote:Has everyone forgotten that DH is a 22 year phenom that dominated the NBA as a Center this past season and hasn't missed a game since he's arrived. 20PPG 14RPG...

Are you guys kidding? Overrated or not (who's to say) Dwight is only going to get more seasoned as times goes on... WATCH OUT!

GO MAGIC!! Keep it up DH and stay focussed! Looking forward to seeing you bang em down with the new teammates this season!


Nobody has forgotten. Flying Vee just manages to find the bad in everything. In his more than four years on this board, I think you could count on one hand the number of times he has said something that wasn't negative (and they weren't necessarily positive, just not negative).

Most people here fully realize what a talented player Dwight is. They just know that he still has some holes in his game, and over the past couple years, the holes he does have (free-throw shooting and a need for a more consistent jumper) are becoming more obvious as he becomes more of a focus of the offense. He will get more seasoned as time goes on, but his free-throw shooting is trending at getting worse, which seems to indicate it's starting to make him think too much about them. They just don't want him to stop working on those parts of his game that need work so that other teams won't be able to frustrate him by trying to exploit his weaknesses. And they'd like him to find fixes before they start bothering HIM so much that he can't fix them.

Most people here love Dwight. They just want the best for him and his game and don't want him to get stuck in a rut with a few of those problems. That said, he has a lot of strengths that no other players on the team have (and for that matter the league) and he was considered one of the best players to represent all the NBA for Team USA. Plus, he wasn't just the best center in the East. He was the best center on the All-NBA team, too. What's not to like about that? However, the Olympics, like summer league and the predraft camp and college basketball, are more about the guards than the big men and are not the best place to show what he can do offensively. He was more relied on there for his defense and rebounding so that Wade, LeBron, Kobe and Melo could be the focus of the offense.

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