D-West/Udonis Haslem S&T

[1bhcavsfan]

On further thought keep D-West for now if we can

[Rockmaninoff]

You guys need to think outside the box and about the big picture when it comes to Miami. Isn't LeBron really just Magic Johnson, with Dr. J's leaping ability, in Dennis Rodman's body?

Why not do something like...

West/Varejao/Szczerbiak'

For

Marion/Wright/Cook

...at least that's what I would do on NBA live.

James/Williams
Cook/Gibson
Wright/Pavlovic
Marion/Hickson
Ilgauskas/Wallace

Bench/Inactive: Snow, Thomas, Kinsey, Allred

...now there's a team that can run with the King, shoot, play good defense, and rebound. James, Cook, Wright, and Marion run the fast break, Z trails. Williams can handle the ball when James takes a blow or when he switches to the 3 or 4. This type of deal doesn't affect either team's 2010 dreams. I think Marion could actually be convinced to take a one year offer, so HE could be a player in 2010. I would actually watch that team.

On the other side, Miami gets the point and center that they need, and Wally's valuable expiring. Granted, this deal would have to take place when the trade restriction ends on West's contract extension (probably sometime in December), but it in the meantime is something to consider.

[rjgraca]

And Marion (the rent a player for a year) plays what position at 6'7" and 220 lbs. --- it wouldn't be Power Forward for the CAVs since their front court is tall and physical at the PF position like Ben Wallace and Varejao who did a very decent job against KG and the Celtics and took them down to the wire. KG would own Marion like he did Odoms and even more so given the size disadvantage at PF.

What you are NOT considering is how Marion fits with the CAVs who are NOT an up-tempo team that Marion had his success on with the Suns and that he is undersized for the Eastern conference at the PF position. You are thinking in the Miami box with little regard to the CAVs situation.

Lebron is like Oscar Robertson who is the closest comparison to Lebron James and that is who he has been compared too.

Marion is 30 years old with one year on a huge contract (17 million dollars next season) looking for that one last big contract and has a chip on his shoulder thinking that he is better than he is and that he hasn't gotten the respect he deserves. The CAVs are not going to give him that big extension for at least 3 years seeking until he's like at least 34 years old since the CAVs are targeting cap space for 2010 -- this not a prudent move to acquire a disgruntled player with a chip on his shoulder who doesn't really fit the CAVs in the first place.

[Rockmaninoff]

And Marion (the rent a player for a year) plays what position at 6'7" and 220 lbs. --- it wouldn't be Power Forward for the CAVs since their front court is tall and physical at the PF position like Ben Wallace and Varejao who did a very decent job against KG and the Celtics and took them down to the wire. KG would own Marion like he did Odoms and even more so given the size disadvantage at PF.

What you are NOT considering is how Marion fits with the CAVs who are NOT an up-tempo team that Marion had his success on with the Suns and that he is undersized for the Eastern conference at the PF position. You are thinking in the Miami box with little regard to the CAVs situation.

Lebron is like Oscar Robertson who is the closest comparison to Lebron James and that is who he has been compared too.

Marion is 30 years old with one year on a huge contract (17 million dollars next season) looking for that one last big contract and has a chip on his shoulder thinking that he is better than he is and that he hasn't gotten the respect he deserves. The CAVs are not going to give him that big extension for at least 3 years seeking until he's like at least 34 years old since the CAVs are targeting cap space for 2010 -- this not a prudent move to acquire a disgruntled player with a chip on his shoulder who doesn't really fit the CAVs in the first place.

Ben Wallace is almost exactly the same height. The Cavs should be a somewhat up tempo team, or at least have that ability. Marion is a perennial defensive player of the year candidate, or at least should be. Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson - pretty similar in my mind.

Actually, no I'm not thinking in the Miami box. I'm not really a fan of either team, I just think they both make good trading partners.

If you think that Varejao is the key to beating the Celtics, be my guest. But, the key is to not let them play at their pace. If all you play is slow half court ball, they'll just continually set up and grind out. Good luck with that.

So you are telling me that Marion wouldn't play hard in the last year of his contract. Who cares if he is expiring, you guys are going to have a bunch of cap space anyway. Why would you have to give him an extension? Are you going to have to give Varejao an extension?

Why not bring in a player who has put up 18ppg/10rpg/2apg/2spg/1bpg for his career. You guys got to the finals with a lesser player who could rebound and put up a little scoring, in Drew Gooden.

Just an idea. I don't know why you guys are talking about Haslem. He isn't guarding KG, and he isn't a difference maker.

[TheOUTLAW]

I don't think there is any chance that the Cavs would resign Marion and he's a known malcontent (believing he is a far better player than he is). The Cavs don't mind running, but they are not a track team like the Suns were. They are not going to win a game where they are just going to outscore the team. For that matter, grind it out is what wins in the playoffs. That is why you haven't seen teams like Toronto, Orlando, Washington and Phoenix do particularly well in the playoffs.

[rjgraca]

Ben Wallace is almost exactly the same height. The Cavs should be a somewhat up tempo team, or at least have that ability. Marion is a perennial defensive player of the year candidate, or at least should be. Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson - pretty similar in my mind.

Actually, no I'm not thinking in the Miami box. I'm not really a fan of either team, I just think they both make good trading partners.

If you think that Varejao is the key to beating the Celtics, be my guest. But, the key is to not let them play at their pace. If all you play is slow half court ball, they'll just continually set up and grind out. Good luck with that.

So you are telling me that Marion wouldn't play hard in the last year of his contract. Who cares if he is expiring, you guys are going to have a bunch of cap space anyway. Why would you have to give him an extension? Are you going to have to give Varejao an extension?

Why not bring in a player who has put up 18ppg/10rpg/2apg/2spg/1bpg for his career. You guys got to the finals with a lesser player who could rebound and put up a little scoring, in Drew Gooden.

Just an idea. I don't know why you guys are talking about Haslem. He isn't guarding KG, and he isn't a difference maker.

As shown below, you missed on Ben Wallace's size verses Marion at 6'7" and 220 lbs.

Ben Wallace, C
Height/Weight: 6-9/240

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/6835

If you think Marion is going to beat the Celtics -- you didn't watch the championship series where a Odoms didn't fair too well against KG last season and Marion is much smaller than that. Marion relies on his athleticism to over come his lack of size which is O.K. in a up-tempo type offense like the Suns had, but a big liability on defense for the CAVs who run a half court offense which means he isn't that good of a fit let alone a difference maker for anything but the Salary cap sponge. You quote Marion's numbers from an up-tempo offense and gloss over that you barely made 15 ppg last season and he's not going to get better as he get's older or score 18 ppg in a half court offense. This isn't a video game -- this is about fit and real life match-ups of what he can do going forward in a non up-tempo offense.

You have not seen the CAVs very much to say they are sort of an up-tempo offense which is quite a stretch for those who follow the team regularly. The CAVs almost beat the Celtics at that game, because the CAVs play a similar brand of basketball that the Celtics do. You might belittle Varejao, but defensively he can play either center or forward very well which can NOT be said for Marion since he's undersized to begin with at PF. Marion to be most effective needs to be with an up-tempo offense like the Suns where his size can be hidden during the regular season and shows itself as a liability in the playoffs helping explain the Suns disappointing playoff exits.

Haslem is another one of those boarder line tweener guys who some are drawn too, but as posted in this thread by some Miami fans -- his size is sometimes a disadvantage and Marion would be even more so for the CAVs. Marion is a good role player who sees himself as a star which he isn't and wants another big payday which the CAVs would be prudent not to give him at his age which would probably cause a distraction with him whining about it.

[Rockmaninoff]

As shown below, you missed on Ben Wallace's size verses Marion at 6'7" and 220 lbs.

Ben Wallace, C
Height/Weight: 6-9/240

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/6835

If you think Marion is going to beat the Celtics -- you didn't watch the championship series where a Odoms didn't fair too well against KG last season and Marion is much smaller than that. Marion relies on his athleticism to over come his lack of size which is O.K. in a up-tempo type offense like the Suns had, but a big liability on defense for the CAVs who run a half court offense which means he isn't that good of a fit let alone a difference maker for anything but the Salary cap sponge. You quote Marion's numbers from an up-tempo offense and gloss over that you barely made 15 ppg last season and he's not going to get better as he get's older or score 18 ppg in a half court offense. This isn't a video game -- this is about fit and real life match-ups of what he can do going forward in a non up-tempo offense.

You have not seen the CAVs very much to say they are sort of an up-tempo offense which is quite a stretch for those who follow the team regularly. The CAVs almost beat the Celtics at that game, because the CAVs play a similar brand of basketball that the Celtics do. You might belittle Varejao, but defensively he can play either center or forward very well which can NOT be said for Marion since he's undersized to begin with at PF. Marion to be most effective needs to be with an up-tempo offense like the Suns where his size can be hidden during the regular season and shows itself as a liability in the playoffs helping explain the Suns disappointing playoff exits.

Haslem is another one of those boarder line tweener guys who some are drawn too, but as posted in this thread by some Miami fans -- his size is sometimes a disadvantage and Marion would be even more so for the CAVs. Marion is a good role player who sees himself as a star which he isn't and wants another big payday which the CAVs would be prudent not to give him at his age which would probably cause a distraction with him whining about it.

That's his official measurement, which are typically not accurate. I've read that he is really somewhere between 6'7" and 6'9". Sorry, don't have a link available, but take it for what it's worth.

I don't think you understand where I'm coming from. I know what the CAVS have done in the past. They are a half court based defensive team. I know that. I'm saying that they need to be able to run a little bit to change the pace of the game against the Pistons and Celtics. That's the thinking outside the box part.

I'm not belittling Varejao, and I understand his worth. Ben Wallace can do the same thing though (play defense and rebound at the 4/5), so why not bring in a guy who contributes something different? Do you think the CAVS are planing on resigning Varejao, and how much do you think HE will ask for? Is it worth it?

I'd also say that you're underrating Marion as a defender, and that he is not a whole lot like Odom (who is really a poor man's KG). All that I'm saying, is that I think it would suit LeBron James to be on a team that can run AND play half court basketball, while still having the personel to play defense and rebound.

Like I said before, you guys wouldn't HAVE to resign him, and he most likely would behave. Why would he make himself to be a problem in his contract year?

Anyway, if you don't like the idea, that's fine. We can just disagree and leave it at that.

[rjgraca]

Fair enough -- then we disagree.

Letting Marion expire doesn't put the CAVs below the cap after next season which doesn't benefit them. Somehow I don't think Lebron will be impressed that the CAVs saved on the Luxury tax to rent a player that really doesn't fit.

Thanks for posting your idea though.


Some info about Shawn Marion from draft express:

Has a great wingspan. Struggles to come to copes with what he is—which is one of the best role players in the NBA. Extremely well compensated over the years, but has always transmitted a sense that he is getting the short end of the stick. Will his game hold up as his athleticism begins to decline?

Somewhat limited offensively--needs a great point guard to create shots for him. Lacks the ball-handling skills needed to create his own shot or pull-up off the dribble. Doesn’t always seem to know his limitations. Relies very heavily on his athleticism to make plays, which worked extremely well for him playing next to Steve Nash. Decision making can be poor at times.

A very good rebounder as well on both ends of the floor. Has a tendency to get lost at times, misplacing his man, rotating to the wrong spots, overextending himself, and gambling excessively. Will get beat at times, or even a take a play off.


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shawn-Marion-3426/

That’s not to say Marion has more value than O’Neal. He had become a constant pain to the organization, whining in the locker room about shots, and wanting a huge extension that was far greater than his value.

And that brings us back to the Suns, who have had issues with the 29-year-old Marion for years, both in the locker room and over money. Now he wants an extension that will pay him in the $20 million range per season, when the $17 million per he’s making over the next two seasons is a stretch. He has also very often been a disappointment in the postseason offensively, which has hurt them in big games.

Realistically it makes more sense for the Suns than other teams, if only because Marion’s head and mouth may no longer be worth the internal aggravation

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Ka ... rion/30753

[1bhcavsfan]

Yeah I agree, I would prefer not to even entertain a trade with Miami. If that's the only trade that's available lets just stay pat until something of more substance comes along.

[Flash is the Future]

You guys don't have the pieces to trade for Marion. There could be some logic with Haslem, but there's no trade that nets the Cavs Marion without the King coming to Miami (obviously not).

[TheOUTLAW]

I don't want Marion at all (of course, I've always been firmly in the he's overated camp).

I do find it amusing that Wallace's height is overstated why evidently that of Haslem is not.

[1bhcavsfan]

Who cares about Marion! He only avg 15pts a game in Miami while being the go to guy,.that stinks. Ricky Davis was better than that, plus he wouldn't have a position with are team. Where would he play PF, I don't think so that would destroy our defensive rotation not to mention the abuse he would endure.

You see We embrace the opportunity to play Defense around here. That's why when it comes down to play-off time we're able to dispose of the pretenders