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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#21 » by Great » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:50 am

gumpspeed wrote:We don't need a "JJ". We need one more shooter. Nash will push when it is warranted. If we can't push we will go to the half court set and pound ANYONE with Stat and Shaq. Nash, Bell and Barnes will drain open threes!! Thats our offense. Dragic, Bell, Barnes and Lopez will give us solid defense. Get use to it boys, cause thats our team. If we want to win, we have to use our best player aka Stat. Design the team around him. He is our Kobe!!


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The Suns are an involving team. Nash, Shaq, and Hill are now star role players.

Nash's pushing 35!!!! Hill 36. Shaq 37!!! Name me a team that won it all with 2 starters over 34?

If the team had Kerr or Paxson in their prime it wouldn't fill the void left by JJ.

That's the missing piece. A stud in his prime offensive machine wing player.

Stat isn't even the best player on the team, Nash is! Amare is no Kobe.

Amare is no where near the creator end of game finisher as Pierce or Kobe. You can't build around him in the same way. He's not that guy.

He's a second or third option, not a number one. He doesn't have the moves of a Olajuwon or Duncan.
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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#22 » by arizonatribe » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:36 am

I think it likely Terry Porter will consider having Hill come off the bench. I like Boris as a starting small forward even if he's too modest to admit it helps when he starts.

Personally I think you're right that a true Shooting Guard with the moves to create his own shot offensively and be an active defender is the missing piece here. Even though plenty of teams push their way deep into the playoffs each year with a weak link, who knows if the Suns will. If the Suns are shooting for versatility and want to play half-court halfway decent, the Shooting Guard(s) need to do more than shoot the uncontested 3 or get up the court in the fast break.

I know there's a lot of talk that DJ is a combo guard, and even Kerr said that during Summer Games, but he looks moldable. Maybe he lacks some true Point Guard talent, but it appeared to me in the Summer Games that when he inbounded the ball knowing he was going to take a shot, he got it fairly easily. He was okay at Point but I'd be optimistic enough to say he could develop into a true Shooting Guard in a couple years. Doesn't immediately give us a Joe Johnson though.
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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#23 » by Go7enKs » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:21 am

Great wrote:the Suns have to bring in a SG who can 19ppg, 4apg, 4 rpg and defend. Someone to fill the Joe Johnson void.

IMO, this player needs to start instead Bell.

Well, we got that spanish kid, Fernandez, drafted a couple years ago. He looked great yesterday when he was defended my Kobe, no less. I think he could start for us...

Oh wait...what did you say? We sold his pick? :roll:
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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#24 » by suns12345 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:51 am

Great,

we have barnes who is in his prime.

also. i know this might sound silly. but IMO stat is the third best player in the league tied with wade. he's better than bosh and melo and is better than nash. even though nash is my favourite player. i'd say he's not as good as stat but is more valuable. also dont forget. this guy is a 6 ft 10 forward. he's never going to have the same atrhleticism and shooting as kobe. u can still build aroung him. u just have to build differently to if ur main man is a SG-SF
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Post#25 » by TXSun » Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:53 am

Ballings7 wrote:I'd love to see DJ get his fair shot here, begin to be able to establish himself of some significance, but it doesn't look favoring with his contract and the other guys on the wings.

right on man. it really wasn't looking good for DJ as far as minutes. Now he's been traded and we get Sean S. plus we saved $540k.
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Post#26 » by Great » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:07 pm

suns12345 wrote:Great,

we have barnes who is in his prime.

also. i know this might sound silly. but IMO stat is the third best player in the league tied with wade. he's better than bosh and melo and is better than nash. even though nash is my favourite player. i'd say he's not as good as stat but is more valuable. also dont forget. this guy is a 6 ft 10 forward. he's never going to have the same atrhleticism and shooting as kobe. u can still build aroung him. u just have to build differently to if ur main man is a SG-SF


Barnes is in his prime, he's a role player.

He should start at SF.

Someone said Amare is the Suns Kobe. He's not the closer that Kobe is. Amare is not the closer that Duncan, Kareem, or Olajuwon are/were. He's not that guy. he's a #2 guy. IMO.

If I was picking a team to win this year i would chose Pierce, Garnett, Duncan, Lebron, Kobe, Nash, Chris Paul, Wade, Ginobili, Elton Brand, Joe Johnson, Caron Butler, Deron Williams, Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer, & Andrew Bynum before I'd pick Amare.

IMO, Amare has to improve his clutch factor.
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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#27 » by TASTIC » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:12 pm

Great wrote:If I was picking a team to win this year i would chose Pierce, Garnett, Duncan, Lebron, Kobe, Nash, Chris Paul, Wade, Ginobili, Elton Brand, Joe Johnson, Caron Butler, Deron Williams, Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer, & Andrew Bynum before I'd pick Amare.

IMO, Amare has to improve his clutch factor.


Seriously?

You don't want to throw Melo, Oden and Durant in there?
Bynum especially doesnt deserve to be there with the rest of those All Stars, the guy's got BIG upside. But he's had a bad injury, and literally has 40 good games under his belt.

Manu's hurt. Davis is getting older. Boozer is more one way than Amare. Butler is in the same tier as Marion, but a little better (I'd LOVE him here, he plays the right way). Joe Johnson? You could make an argument for Deron as he's entering his prime as a 19-3-10 PG at only 24
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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#28 » by Great » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:35 pm

TASTIC wrote:
Great wrote:If I was picking a team to win this year i would chose Pierce, Garnett, Duncan, Lebron, Kobe, Nash, Chris Paul, Wade, Ginobili, Elton Brand, Joe Johnson, Caron Butler, Deron Williams, Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer, & Andrew Bynum before I'd pick Amare.

IMO, Amare has to improve his clutch factor.


Seriously?

You don't want to throw Melo, Oden and Durant in there?
Bynum especially doesnt deserve to be there with the rest of those All Stars, the guy's got BIG upside. But he's had a bad injury, and literally has 40 good games under his belt.

Manu's hurt. Davis is getting older. Boozer is more one way than Amare. Butler is in the same tier as Marion, but a little better (I'd LOVE him here, he plays the right way). Joe Johnson? You could make an argument for Deron as he's entering his prime as a 19-3-10 PG at only 24


Yes seriously.

If I'm picking a team to try and win THIS year.

Boozer is a better rebounder than Amare. A better basketball player.

Alos, IMO with the exception of Bynum (who has size) they all are more clutch than Amare.
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Post#29 » by TASTIC » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:45 pm

No point being clutch if you can't carry a team through the season and playoffs though. Why not put Horry in there by your logic?
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Re: Strawberry and the Roster 

Post#30 » by Great » Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:51 am

TASTIC wrote:No point being clutch if you can't carry a team through the season and playoffs though. Why not put Horry in there by your logic?


What are you talking about? Where is that coming from? Are YOU dealing in logic? Or is your response purely emotional?

IMO,
1) All the players I named do carry their teams through the regular season...and they make it happen in the clutch. (save Bynum)

Each of those players is as important if not more so to their teams success as Amare is. (save Bynum)

2) Carrying teams in the regular season is nice. Dirk is big on that...and its pretty meaningless. Notice he aint on my list!

3) Careful, without Nash Amare is but a bigger Kenyon Martin. OK, he's better the Kenyon.

Nash carries the Suns. Amare and everyone else helps him. Nash the man on the Suns. He is the GREAT player that makes others better.

4) Horry isn't the big stat producers like the players I listed do. Notice Horry is not on my list.

5) Hopefully they'll get a SG who can make plays so the team can function at the title level it should but for the void left by Joe Johnson.

6) Amare isn't clutch...yet.

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