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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#21 » by ambiglight » Sat Aug 9, 2008 7:33 pm

el loco wrote:
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Nutty Nats Fan wrote:And AI was at first trying to help out his team mates more, but Karl got on him to score more rather than pass. He wouldn't play AI at PG and ask him to try and be a team player.


After AI was first traded to Denver while Melo/JR were suspended AI was distributing the ball and making things easier for his teammates. It was almost like AI was trying to prove everyone wrong who called him a selfish type of player.

Then out of nowhere Karl comes in and says he needs AI to be a scorer. To this day I have no idea why Karl has repeatedly said that. When AI was getting those 10+ assist games the Nuggets looked really good.

I agree with you totally on that. I was so upset when Karl made those statements. AI will score on his own, you don't need to urge him to become more of a scorer. That makes zero sense.


AI was distributing the ball well when he first got to town, I agree with that, but why does he get a free pass on his defense and Melo gets called out on it? Which one of the two should be the better leader that leads by example? Heck, for that matter, why not call out Camby last year for not rotating out, switching out, or manning up on defense? Why not call out Kmart for not grabbing enough rebounds? It all goes back to the system or lack of a system like many have said, and I agree with them. George himself has even said that he let things slip away slow and steady as the season went along. It was almost identical to an article he had about 3 years ago. IMO this team has gone about as far as it is going to go with GK as its mentor, and a change is overdue.


AI typically gets the smaller or weaker defensive assignment and does a decent job defending his man. He doesnt gamble as much as he use to, and plays his man to the help defense on the inside as dictated by their 'defensive' strategy. His defense isnt bad, as much as his size is a liability covering two guards. Which creates match-up problems when the other team has a big off guard that can score, exposing guards like carter as inadequate defenders...The solution isnt for AI to be criticized for being undersized. Its simply to put a bigger player at his side to reduce the match-up problem. Hence playing carter over JR being a fundamental error in strategies. What they give up in perimeter scoring is not made up for by supposedly have a technically more sound defender. JR simply fits better into a team defense system with a ball dominant guard that more than makes up for his defensive liabilities with the sheer number of points he puts on the board. I suspect that both AI and Melo will look better as defenders with JR in the line-up. For the mere fact that their men can't simply pick and roll into poor match ups against two undersized guards.
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#22 » by cavsfan_osiris » Sat Aug 9, 2008 7:35 pm

I agree, it's not just on Melo. AI's got to accept some responsibility also.

The thing that would make me most angry with Denver next season is if they approach the game the exact same way they have the past 2 seasons. The responsibility for these guys to make adjustments falls on Karl, but also the players.
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#23 » by bebopdeluxe » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:03 pm

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What does AI have to "accept some responsibility" for?

Since he has come to Denver, he has made meaningful, statistically significant changes in his game (as a Sixers season ticket holder, I should know). I put this in another post on this board, but last season, AI shot six fewer shots a game than in his Sixers' days, he shot it at almost 46% from the field (by far the best of his career), and he had a 2.36-to-1 AST/TO ratio (also far and away the best ratio of his career). He shot it less, shot it better and took care of the ball better...

(But the 'Melo fanboys still call him a chucker...right?)

To me, it is unfathomable that Anthony Carter gets minutes over AI and JR. It is a no-brainer to me that AI should be the PG of this team. He averaged something like 7.5 assists a game as a SG, for crissakes. He has already shown - in a meaningful and statistically significant way - that he will sacrifice his game for the good of 'Melo and the team. I'm sure that he would play PG if he was asked to...unfortunately, Denver's idiot coach hasn't asked him to.
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#24 » by Ewingfan » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:16 pm

the players do share responsibility too but when you win 50 games and get swept out of the playoffs it makes the coach look really bad. George Karl's fat azz is now on the hot seat. Its only a matter of time. They got rid of his boy Camby. Many times i heard him say that Camby was the most valuable player on the team. Now that he doesnt have Camby to save him watch him lean on Kenyon like he did in the Laker series. There is no way Kenyon should be guarding Kobe. Karl is an idiot.
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#25 » by ambiglight » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:18 pm

bebopdeluxe wrote:cavsfan:

What does AI have to "accept some responsibility" for?

Since he has come to Denver, he has made meaningful, statistically significant changes in his game (as a Sixers season ticket holder, I should know). I put this in another post on this board, but last season, AI shot six fewer shots a game than in his Sixers' days, he shot it at almost 46% from the field (by far the best of his career), and he had a 2.36-to-1 AST/TO ratio (also far and away the best ratio of his career). He shot it less, shot it better and took care of the ball better...

(But the 'Melo fanboys still call him a chucker...right?)

To me, it is unfathomable that Anthony Carter gets minutes over AI and JR. It is a no-brainer to me that AI should be the PG of this team. He averaged something like 7.5 assists a game as a SG, for crissakes. He has already shown - in a meaningful and statistically significant way - that he will sacrifice his game for the good of 'Melo and the team. I'm sure that he would play PG if he was asked to...unfortunately, Denver's idiot coach hasn't asked him to.


It is kind of weird that a player can have one of the best seasons of his career passing and scoring, yet still get labeled an inefficient chucker.
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Post#26 » by Ewingfan » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:49 pm

George Karl's playoff record with the Nuggets is 3-16. How does the front office excuse that. Its one thing to lose in the first round but that record is terrible. Im still shaking my head. How is this guy still coaching this team.
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#27 » by Great » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:50 pm

I've noticed a pattern w/ George Karl. Seattle, MIlwaukee...

There is always this endless bickering, blaming, and finger pointing.

The teams have talent. The reach a certain plateau...then things fall apart.

It's not talent. It's the intangible synergy that's needed to win. A sense of we, us, team.

Karl just doesn't seem able to master that part of coaching.
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Post#28 » by Ewingfan » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:11 pm

Great wrote:I've noticed a pattern w/ George Karl. Seattle, MIlwaukee...

There is always this endless bickering, blaming, and finger pointing.

The teams have talent. The reach a certain plateau...then things fall apart.

It's not talent. It's the intangible synergy that's needed to win. A sense of we, us, team.

Karl just doesn't seem able to master that part of coaching.


I agree 100%.

You know the saddest part about this is that I never read anything negative about Karl in the Denver media nor the sports media in general. People say Mike D'Antoni doesn't coach defense,Flip Saunders couldn't get Detroit past the conference finals and Avery Johnson was outcoached by Golden State. I dont hear anything about Karl Everybody blames Melo and A.I. That's sad
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#29 » by Great » Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:02 am

Ewingfan wrote:
Great wrote:I've noticed a pattern w/ George Karl. Seattle, MIlwaukee...

There is always this endless bickering, blaming, and finger pointing.

The teams have talent. The reach a certain plateau...then things fall apart.

It's not talent. It's the intangible synergy that's needed to win. A sense of we, us, team.

Karl just doesn't seem able to master that part of coaching.


I agree 100%.

You know the saddest part about this is that I never read anything negative about Karl in the Denver media nor the sports media in general. People say Mike D'Antoni doesn't coach defense,Flip Saunders couldn't get Detroit past the conference finals and Avery Johnson was outcoached by Golden State. I dont hear anything about Karl Everybody blames Melo and A.I. That's sad



It's always like that tot he very end when it all melts down and the team has to be dismantled.

This team with AI and Melo should no lower than 4 or 5 seed next year.
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Re: George Karl must go NOW 

Post#30 » by Duiz » Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:26 am

I agree... he needs to go.
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Post#31 » by Ewingfan » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:55 am

Wow. Karl said maybe the nuggets had too much talent.
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