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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#121 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:44 pm

ivDT wrote:ugh...i can't do it. i just can't.

barack obama says somethings i agree with, but goddamn, he's mostly lathering up the pseudo-leftists at the convention with corporate liberal claptrap.

he says as president he wants to help car companies build more fuel efficient cars...

help car companies? really?

what the hell is that?

these a freakin' billion dollar companies, for farksake.

let them make their cars more fuel efficient their damn themselves without sucking up government dollars.

these clowns should've jumped on the ball a long time ago, giving them subsidies now would just be bailing them out for overinvesting in gas guzzling landboats.


Do you follow the market? The American car is in trouble. They are not as strong as you make them sound. Ford Motor Company has been operating in the red for years now. GM and Chrysler can't move their cars. All three companies have been cutting jobs and closing plants left and right. It has gotten so bad in fact that GM and Chrysler are getting out of the leasing game. You want to lease a car, you have to go through a third party company.

The big reason that they are trouble, Ford bad managment has a lot to do with it, is gas prices. For years we have had powerful, big cars that are not fuel efficient. This is one of the big reasons that we are dependent on middle east oil. The auto industry for years have fought against raising standards. They have the technology but they rather save the money. We need to raise fuel standers to kick our addiction. But the way I understand it, from Barack's speech last night, Barack plans on give tax incentives to people who buy fuel efficient cars. I never said that he is going to directly give money to the car industry. He said that he will help them retool and that he will invest in newer, cleaner, technology. By making it more lucrative to buy these cars it will make a market for these cars and the car companies will follow.
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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#122 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:57 pm

Well, if he's going to help them retool, that means they either are going to get money or get tax breaks. But if he gives tax breaks for people to buy them, too, then he is helping both. In the long run, what really matters is they do something to ease the reliance on oil as it is right now.

A couple other factors that people haven't mentioned about the oil situation. Analysts predicted back in May that oil prices would start to drop as fall approached and right up until the election because they know that this will be a negative for the Republicans and since the GOP has helped them run up record profits in recent years and Bush and Cheney both are oil men themselves, the oil companies don't want to hurt the Republicans' run at the White House or for Congressional offices.

Secondly, the oil companies have lots and lots of miles of leases that they are not drilling on already. If that was going to bring down the prices and the oil companies were concerned about that, they could have been drilling on that leased land already. But they are not, They are frantically trying to make a last-minute grab on more before the Republicans get out of office. I'll bet our friends in Tampa and Pensacola wouldn't care much for what happened to their tourism with an oil slick right off the coast.

And what was that you said about an oil spill? Remember the Exxon Valdez? They still are trying to clean up that mess.

Outside of oil, though....Have you noticed that unemployment rose when the first Bush was in office? And that it's rising again with the son as president? Quite a few people that I know here in the Central Florida area, for that matter -- both times. That didn't happen when Clinton was president.

Or that salaries, in real terms, have dropped $1,000 per year since Bush took office, compared with a $7,500 increase when Clinton was in office. Oh yeah, McCain also voted against raising the mininum wage at least 16 times. He never has voted to increase it. He doesn't need it. He's wife is filthy rich.

About that deficit....if it's all the Democrats fault, how come Clinton worked so successfully to hand Bush a budget surplus, and he has totally squandered it and made it even better than it used to be. Bush has pretty much tied the hands of Congress because so much of the budget deficit is related to the two ongoing wars, one of which wasn't necessary at all. And I do suppose the parents and spouses and kids and children of the troops who have died in Iraq aren't too happy about that.

And of course, there is the fact that the FEMA folks that Bush's administration put in charge hired many contractors who committed fraud with the money they were supposed to use to help the people in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina instead of helping people. Some of the problems there were the fault of government in Lousiana, but FEMA failed the people in that area miserably.

But my biggest reason for opposing McCain is his social stands are the same as Bush's and the GOP are overworking the Supreme Court in such a way that people soon won't have much control over their own lives at all. The government now can wiretap your home pretty much at will without giving any good reason for it because we apparently all are at risk of being terrorists. Another term of a GOP president will mean that a woman who gets pregnant because she is raped or who could die if a pregnancy puts her life at risk won't have any chance but to carry that baby because abortions of any kind will become illegal. Oh, yeah....And there's always that little issue about how the people being held down in Guantanamo Bay are being tortured, which means there is an increased chance of our own troops being tortured if they are captured by our enemies -- once something that was totally unthinkable.

And shall we talk about healthcare. McCain has said that he would work at having employers stop paying for healthcare and having individuals buy their own, though he said he would give them a $2,500 tax credit to do so. Great....unless you don't have the money to do it anyway because it will cost plenty more than that.

I could go on, but those are the main factors.
All those things have changed the country quite a bit since Bush took office, haven't they?
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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#123 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:08 am

UCFJaybird posted that the Enron Loophole was a big cause for high gas prices. He is absolutely right. But it not just causing the high gas prices, it also is big reason for our economy being in the shape that it is in. Everything from the credit crisis to the housing bubble can be traced to the Enron Loophole. The Commodities Futures Modernization Act, which contains the Enron Loophole, is what caused deregulation of markets. It is the deregulation of markets that lead to these bad mortgages, high prices for crude oil, and high gas and energy costs.

For those of you that have no idea what the Enron loophole is. I wrote this email a couple of months ago. It explains the history of the Enron loophole and McCain's connection to it.


The Futures market is a very important market in our economy. The Futures Market allows for companies that deal in commodities to keep a relatively stable price for the commodity even with a high uncertainty in the market. The problem comes when those markets are not regulated and oversight is taken away. This leads to analyst and big business driving up prices on speculation at the expense of the consumers.
Follow the timeline
1980s

* Enron is Founded Omaha Nebraska. Enron under Ken Lay moves into the Energies futures market.
* President Bush creates an government organization called the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). This organization essentially deregulates and removes government oversight from the Commodities trading industry.
* Wendy Gramm (the woman holding the Enron sign in her right hand), wife to former Senator Phil Gramm( Phil Gram is the Economic Advisor to the John McCain's campaign. But more on that later) , was named Chairwoman to the CFTC.



1992

* One week after Bush was defeated by Bill Clinton in the 1992 Presidential Election, Enron approached Wendy Gramm to ask her to lock in the no oversight and deregulation as official CFTC policy. So that Bill Clinton could not put a stop to the no oversight policy.
* With the help of Wendy Gramm, the CFTC approved the policy on Bill Clinton inauguration day.
* Wendy Gramm takes a part time post on the Board of Directors for Enron. Wendy Gramm earned over $900,000 over the next decade. (see picture above)



Mid 90's

* California Gov Peter Wilson began to deregulate the energy industry in California.
* Part of the deregulation called for Investor Owned Utilities (IOUs) such as Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison, and San Diego Gas and Electric to sell off significant parts of their power generation to private unregulated companies such as Enron, AES, and Reliant
* Now the IOUs had to buy the energy, that they once made, from the private companies.
* The theory was that by deregulating the energy industry it would create more competition in the marker and push price of energy down.



2000-2001

* December 21, 2000 Bill Clinton signs into office The Commodities Futures Modernization Act. (which contains a provision that later came to be known as the Enron Loophole)
* Charlie Black, lobbyist and now top McCain Campaign advisor, was paid $140,000 by JP Morgan to lobby The Commodities Futures Modernization Act
* Former Texas Senator Phil Gramm, husband to former CFTC Charwoman and Enron board of Directors members Wendy Gramm and head economic advisor to the McCain campaign, was the one that slipped the Enron loophole into the bill.
* This Act, which Enron assisted in writing, allowed for entire online markets of energy commodities such as oil, propane, and natural gas to be traded on deregulated markets known as dark markets. dark markets are markets that are not regulated by the CFTC or any other Government oversight.
* In the summer of 2001 companies like Enron and Reliant created a fake energy shortage to drive up energy cost on the people of California.
* Enron and Reliant created rolling blackouts by shutting down power plants, to manipulate supply and demand, for what they called "maintenance".
* The plant shutdowns forced power plants to buy power from "spot markets", where private owned energy companies could charge astronomical rates.
* Thou the prices are semi-regulated and tied to the price of natural gas, the supply of natural gas was also controlled by companies such Reliant and Enron (the same companies manipulating energy supply).
* By manipulating the supply of natural gas they were able to push the prices even higher. Fleecing the residents of California out of an estimated $40 billion dollars.


2002 -2003


* Senator Gramm blocked a amendment by Senator Feinstein that would close the Enron loophole in April 2002.
* In a losing effort, the Senate votes to close the Enron loophole. John McCain is one of the Senators that votes to close the Enron loophole.

* Phil Gramm becomes Vice-Chairman for UBS in 2002 (see picture to the right of Wendy Gramm)

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* UBS buys Enron's energy trading division in 2002


2004

* British Petroleum (BP) paid $303 million to settle charges that it cornered the propane market. This raised the heating costs for over 7 million homes.



2006

* Amaranth Advisers, a hedge fund, uses the Enron Loophole to shift trading natural gas from the regulated Mercantile Exchange market to the unregulated Intercontinental Exchange market.
* Amaranth used the dark markets to try and corner the market. They lost about $6 billion dollars as natural gas prices fell to a 2 year low.
* A Senate republican report acknowledged the effect that speculators have had on the energy market. Sighting that direct blame lies in the Enron Loophole
* John Savercool (picture next to Phil Gramm), Phil Gramm assistant and UBS lobbyist , lobbied congress against the closing of the Energy Loophole Act.


2007

* CFTC in conjunction with Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) brought charges against Amaranth for trying to manipulate prices in the Natural Gas market. The FERC leveled fines totaling $291million and Amaranth had to forfeit their "unjust profits".
* Wayne L. Berman( picture next to John Savercool) , Chevron lobbyist and John McCain Finance Co-Chairman for his 2008 Presidential campaign, lobbied for Chevron and the Petroleum Institute against the Price Gouging Prevention Act.


2008


* In May 2008 John McCain voted against the signing of a Farm Bill that had in it a prevision to close the Enron loophole. Sighting wasteful subsidies as the reason for his opposition. According to The Public Record, a McCain aid said that the Senator also opposed the bill because "Gramm advised McCain that he should resist its regulatory language on the energy futures market".
* June 2008, the Senate Commerce committee heard testimony about the Enron Loophole's affect on the price of oil.
* Michael Greenberger, Former CFTC Chairman, said that closing the Enron Loophole " over night that would bring down the price of crud oil. To at least get a 25% drop in the price of oil and a corresponding drop in the cost of gasoline". He goes on to say that some estimate even a 50% drop in the price of oil and a subsequent drop in gasoline.
* John McCain went from being opposed to the Enron loophole to take a neutral position on the subject.
* Wayne L. Berman was hired by the New York Mercantile Exchange to lobby against the Close the Enron Loophole act.
* Senator Klobuchar sends a letter to the CFTC to close a loophole that will allow us speculators to channel unregulated trades through London and Dubai. John McCain refused to sign the letter



More information:

http://www.pubrecord.org/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaDelhvtQ98

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California ... ity_crisis

http://www.stroock.com/SiteFiles/Pub134.pdf
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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#124 » by Horcy » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:47 am

All the people in the stadium screaming for Obama was sick. I have nothing against Obama, but loving so much a politician is mediocre. Your candidates are saying they'll change the world, start changing your own country that's not SO GOOD as most of you think.
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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#125 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:22 pm

Horcy wrote:All the people in the stadium screaming for Obama was sick. I have nothing against Obama, but loving so much a politician is mediocre. Your candidates are saying they'll change the world, start changing your own country that's not SO GOOD as most of you think.


Barack Obama is not talking about changing the world and nor is McCain for that matter. Both are talking about fixing our economy, ending our dependency of foreign oil, creating new jobs, taxes, and bringing or not bringing our troops home. Those are domestic issues to make out country better. American would not listen if they weren't talking about domestic issues.

Now Obama has said that we can change our image in the world by doing what is right for our country, fixing the American dream, and forging new diplomatic relationships with our past allies. But that is a small part of his speech. It is not just Americans that are inspired by him. On CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS they were saying that in Europe Barack Obama has an 80% approval rating. We saw this to be true on the world tour that he did a few months ago. When is the last time that you have seen an American President go to a foreign country and have over 200,000 people come out to see him speak?
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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#126 » by Driguez » Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:21 pm

Horcy wrote:All the people in the stadium screaming for Obama was sick. I have nothing against Obama, but loving so much a politician is mediocre. Your candidates are saying they'll change the world, start changing your own country that's not SO GOOD as most of you think.


Well Horcy to start off they dont love Obama, they love what he brings to the table, they love the promise of change. Second he never said he wants to change the world, he wants to change our country, which its true its not SO GOOD, but not so bad as, lets say, your country. USA still standing strong, even if our economy is suffering, it will bounce back Horcy maybe then you too would want to live here ;)

Oh yes BTW Obama '08


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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#127 » by UCFJayBird » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:04 pm

actually guys, to be fair. Obama did say "We will change this country. We will change the world". In fact that was a huge pushing message for him back when he first started running in the primaries.

There's a reason thousands of signs the other night said "CHANGE" on them. :P
But yea, it's more about changing the United States, which will in effect change the world through their policies with other countries. For instance departing from Iraq, hunting down Bin Laden, diplomacy with various countries that Bush has strong-armed. Etc.

And horcy, it's not about loving Obama so much. It's about loving the message. Obama represents what a lot of people in this country believe in and want to happen. It's like he said in his speech, "it's not about me. It's never been about me. It's about you (the American public)."
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Post#128 » by El_Magico » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:23 am

Great!! Now all Puerto Ricans on the island know who they can't vote for.
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Post#129 » by Dome » Mon Sep 1, 2008 8:57 pm

El_Magico wrote:Great!! Now all Puerto Ricans on the island know who they can't vote for.


Huh? Maybe I'm too foreign to understand that one. Could you explain?
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Post#130 » by Neon1 » Mon Sep 1, 2008 9:02 pm

Dome wrote:
El_Magico wrote:Great!! Now all Puerto Ricans on the island know who they can't vote for.


Huh? Maybe I'm too foreign to understand that one. Could you explain?

I didnt know which politition it was directed at either lol....i was waiting for somebody else to ask haha
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Post#131 » by El_Magico » Mon Sep 1, 2008 11:41 pm

Dome wrote:
El_Magico wrote:Great!! Now all Puerto Ricans on the island know who they can't vote for.


Huh? Maybe I'm too foreign to understand that one. Could you explain?



Oh ok lol, I was pointing out the irony that Daddy Yankee a Puerto Rican artist was endorsing a presidential candidate that Puerto Ricans on the island can't vote for.



BTW Puerto Ricans on the island are US Citizens that cannot vote for the president.
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Re: OT: Daddy Yankee endorses McCain 

Post#132 » by UCFJayBird » Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:14 am

El_Magico wrote:
Dome wrote:
El_Magico wrote:Great!! Now all Puerto Ricans on the island know who they can't vote for.


Huh? Maybe I'm too foreign to understand that one. Could you explain?



Oh ok lol, I was pointing out the irony that Daddy Yankee a Puerto Rican artist was endorsing a presidential candidate that Puerto Ricans on the island can't vote for.



BTW Puerto Ricans on the island are US Citizens that cannot vote for the president.


I think most people forgot the point of the topic, lol.
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Post#133 » by aleZ » Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:31 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_ ... /cvn_palin
Palin underwent a "full and complete" background examination before McCain chose her as his running mate


lol, makes you think what other members of the rep party are hiding in the closet...WMDs maybe :D

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Post#134 » by drsd » Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:15 pm

El_Magico wrote:Great!! Now all Puerto Ricans on the island know who they can't vote for.



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Post#135 » by El_Magico » Sat Sep 6, 2008 4:35 pm

Fat Joe Calls Out Daddy Yankee For McCain Support

As much of vocal Hip Hop seems to support Barack Obama as America's best fit Presidential candidate, Reggaeton superstar Daddy Yankee shocked some in his staunch endorsement for Republican candidate John McCain.

Earlier this week, in an Arizona high school, the Interscope Records platinum performer announced his support, and spoke to the urban youth on the candidate's strengths,
Another artist of Latin heritage, Fat Joe, told MTV late Thursday, that the Puerto Rican Yankee is a "sellout" for doing so....


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Can't say I disagree with Fat Joe here...
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